The Spurs thread | 2017-18 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned

[Rhyme Animal]

I think we are waiting for Walker to move on which looks likely to happen to free up funds to get a couple of players in.

From what I've heard we have had contact with several players so something could happen in the next week or two. No doubt we have received bids for many of our players however the club is not entertaining offers for any of them (apart from Walker and Wimmer). Links - the strongest one is Barkley and I'd say that is quite likely to happen, other than they we will likely bring in another defender as Wimmer looks likely to leave and we are in the market for an attacker (either wide attacker or striker). The club have shored up any leaks that could be relied on to share info so even the ITK guys who we rely on to give us the inside track have no information.

I think Barkley would do really well in that current Spurs side - in fact, I think he'd excel there.

But where would he play? I mean, like, who would make way for him?

Feel free to do a 'line up', this is what muppet season is for!

 

[balaks]

I think Barkley would do really well in that current Spurs side - in fact, I think he'd excel there.

But where would he play? I mean, like, who would make way for him?

Feel free to do a 'line up', this is what muppet season is for!

Barkley would be a great signing I think - he is the sort of player that I believe Poch could work wonders with. I think he would probably be in a rotation for the right sided attacking spot and possibly central midfield (though I don't really think that's his position). So I guess he would be in rotation with Son/Eriksen/Alli/Lamela depending on the side we are facing. I don't know for sure though. From what I know Poch really rates him though.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Barkley would be a great signing I think - he is the sort of player that I believe Poch could work wonders with. I think he would probably be in a rotation for the right sided attacking spot and possibly central midfield (though I don't really think that's his position). So I guess he would be in rotation with Son/Eriksen/Alli/Lamela depending on the side we are facing. I don't know for sure though. From what I know Poch really rates him though.

No 'line ups'? Bah, come on, lad, get into muppet gear!

But yeah, I agree with you, though most won't, as for whatever reason Barkley isn't rated high among most on here.

Barkley would quickly form a rapport with Kane and Dele Alli I reckon, and with that defense behind him, I think his confidence on the pitch would go up and bring out the best in him.

 

[balaks]

No 'line ups'? Bah, come on, lad, get into muppet gear!

But yeah, I agree with you, though most won't, as for whatever reason Barkley isn't rated high among most on here.

Barkley would quickly form a rapport with Kane and Dele Alli I reckon, and with that defense behind him, I think his confidence on the pitch would go up and bring out the best in him.

Ha! ok -

Lloris
Toby Dier Verts
Trippier Rose
Dembele Dier
Barkley/Son Eriksen/Lamela
Alli
Kane

The spacing hasn't worked but you get the idea - pretty much the same team we had last year which although not very exciting in muppet terms is probably the best we can hope for at the moment - to keep our players together.

We also have the likes of Winks/Onomah/Edwards/Walker-Peters/Carter-Vickers all on the cusp of regular first team action also.

 

[Random Task]

Ha! ok -

Lloris
Toby Dier Verts
Trippier Rose
Dembele Dier
Barkley/Son Eriksen/Lamela
Alli
Kane

Ross Barkley is a good shout.

Ryan Sessegnon is tailor-made for Spurs, Poch in particular. Surprised your lot have shown no interest. Watched him a few times now, top prospect.

Kane will need some competition up top and Dembele (Celtic version) would provide that in spades.

Now for a shot in the dark, how about... Costa! T'would show a real sign of intent from Poch. The Walker money, assuming that deal is going ahead, could very well fund it. Don't think he'd cost that much in truth.

 

[balaks]

Ross Barkley is a good shout.

Ryan Sessegnon is tailor-made for Spurs, Poch in particular. Surprised your lot have shown no interest. Watched him a few times now, top prospect.

Kane will need some competition up top and Dembele (Celtic version) would provide that in spades.

Now for a shot in the dark, how about... Costa! T'would show a real sign of intent from Poch. The Walker money, assuming that deal is going ahead, could very well fund it. Don't think he'd cost that much in truth.

We had strong interest in Sessegnon but the kid chose to stay at Fulham unfortunately for us. Dembele is a decent shout but from what I heard we had interest in him prior to his move to Celtic but backed off due to a medical issue (knee I believe) - Costa ha! no chance (though I think he is a great player) - we would have to change our entire formation to get Costa into the team and I can't see that happening. We will most likely persist with Janssen but may look at an experienced attacker who would be happy to be a rotation/from bench player. My bet would be somebody like Hernandez.

 

[GlastonSpur]

... When will Lamela be back for them?

He's reported back for training today, although I don't know what that means in terms of when he'll be match-fit to play or even if he's fully recovered from his injury.

 

[VorZakone]

He's reported back for training today, although I don't know what that means in terms of when he'll be match-fit to play or even if he's fully recovered from his injury.

Hmm I think you guys definitely need a new offensive player for depth and to compete with Son.

 

[Sweech]

What do you make of Onomah's chances of breaking through this season? Surely Pochettino will have been watching his performances at the U20 World Cup with interest and with Winks recovering from a long term injury, it might push him up the pecking order. He's got a similar skill set to Dembele so he could slot into that role without changing anything tactically.

For someone who watches the youth team a lot Onomah and Pochettino's use of him is a little annoying.

Onomah is great as a CM in the Dembele role as it were. Instead we never play him there and instead try to stick him at RW or #10 and then people who never watch the youth team complain that he looks poor. He needs to get game time at CM or I worry we'll let his talent go to waste.

 

[::sonny::]

Tottenham deny claims they are set to be taken over by Facebook owner Mark Zuckerberg in £1billion deal

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ook-mark-zuckerberg-daniel-levy-a7832711.html

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

Tottenham deny claims they are set to be taken over by Facebook owner Mark Zuckerberg in £1billion deal

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ook-mark-zuckerberg-daniel-levy-a7832711.html

Get yer FB Arsenal memes in quick Gunners … your time is up!

 

[Harry190]

They are gonna have a bad surprise next season as they move into the new stadium.

 

[balaks]

They are gonna have a bad surprise next season as they move into the new stadium.

I doubt it. Wishful thinking of our rivals.

 

[K2K]

They have to take that next step and win a title next season.

But they are probably second favourites for the title for me going into next season. City being the default favourite every season.

Young balanced side that is improving together. Almost reminds me of United 06/07

 

[KingMinger22]

Really good articl here on Spurs:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...enham-transfers-daniel-levy-kyle-walker-spurs

Some of the good points made are:

- Spurs have quality players earning much less than they could elsewhere.

- How can they continue to sustain this? Longterm they simply can't. They either break the wage structure or lose players.


- They are going to struggle improve on what they have as they won't pay big fees and wages that are required.

I guess it's what we already know but a good read nonetheless.

 

[VP89]

Really good articl here on Spurs:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...enham-transfers-daniel-levy-kyle-walker-spurs

Some of the good points made are:

- Spurs have quality players earning much less than they could elsewhere.

- How can they continue to sustain this? Longterm they simply can't. They either break the wage structure or lose players.


- They are going to struggle improve on what they have as they won't pay big fees and wages that are required.

I guess it's what we already know but a good read nonetheless.

Personally I think their biggest problem is retaining Poch than the players. Not that their wage structure isn't an issue obviously.

 

[Rafateria]

They have to take that next step and win a title next season.

But they are probably second favourites for the title for me going into next season. City being the default favourite every season.

Young balanced side that is improving together. Almost reminds me of United 06/07

I simply don't see that. City, United, Arsenal (if they keep hold of Sanchez) and Liverpool (if they get Keita and VVD) are all engaged in fixing obvious issues that should see a lot of improvement. Spurs don't have any obvious issues per se (they need an overall upgrade in some positions), but it would be difficult to see their players making another incremental improvement to stay ahead of those clubs, never mind try to close the gap on Chelsea. Participation in the CL could actually hit them the hardest, especially if they end up dropping into the EL. Still a lot of imponderables as this stage of the Summer but it's not looking positive for Spurs' chances of staying in the Top 4 if those clubs pull off the transfers they are aiming for.

 

[KM]

Really don't see Walker and Dier(if he goes) as a big issue for them. They'll get a ridiculous price for two players who aren't that tough to replace, Trippier has already replaced Walker for them.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

A year ago I said on the equivalent thread that Tottenham would finish in the top 4 again and got laughed at.

If they start strongly this coming season, I think they'll win it

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Really don't see Walker and Dier(if he goes) as a big issue for them. They'll get a ridiculous price for two players who aren't that tough to replace, Trippier has already replaced Walker for them.

He's made a grand total of 18 PL appearances over the last two seasons. He's promising but it's early days to say he's "already replaced" anyone. Walker was a really important player for them last season, which was helped by judicious use of Trippier to help keep him fresh. Who is back-up for Trippier this season?

 

[KM]

He's made a grand total of 18 PL appearances over the last two seasons. He's promising but it's early days to say he's "already replaced" anyone.

In the sense that he played well when Pochettino dropped Walker.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

In the sense that he played well when Pochettino dropped Walker.

Not as well as Walker at his best. Not in the games I saw anyway.

Plus, see edit...

Same applies to Dier. If they're serious about winning the league they need strength in depth. What happens if/when Wanyama misses a few weeks with an injury?

 

[KM]

He's made a grand total of 18 PL appearances over the last two seasons. He's promising but it's early days to say he's "already replaced" anyone. Walker was a really important player for them last season, which was helped by judicious use of Trippier to help keep him fresh. Who is back-up for Trippier this season?

It's been rumored that they will sign some Portuguese's fullback as a replacement. I agree that Walker was good for them but I wouldn't call him really important tbf. Kane, Alli, Dembele, Eriksen and their centerbacks take priority over the other positions imo.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It's been rumored that they will sign some Portuguese's fullback as a replacement. I agree that Walker was good for them but I wouldn't call him really important tbf. Kane, Alli, Dembele, Eriksen and their centerbacks take priority over the other positions imo.

I don't think he was their most important player, by any means, but his pace and power down the right was a big part of their game. I don't see Trippier as anything other than a downgrade in this regard. Tidy little player though he may be.

At the end of the day, Spurs should be hoping to improve their squad if they're serious about winning the league. So far, they've done the opposite.

 

[Cassidy]

I don't think he was their most important player, by any means, but his pace and power down the right was a big part of their game. I don't see Trippier as anything other than a downgrade in this regard. Tidy little player though he may be.

Better delivery, but yes does lack the pace and power

 

[KM]

I don't think he was their most important player, by any means, but his pace and power down the right was a big part of their game. I don't see Trippier as anything other than a downgrade in this regard. Tidy little player though he may be.

At the end of the day, Spurs should be hoping to improve their squad if they're serious about winning the league. So far, they've done the opposite.

It's not selling players they should be worried about, Pochettino's buying record at Spurs has been quite below average. Last seasons buys were horrendous.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It's not selling players they should be worried about, Pochettino's buying record at Spurs has been quite below average. Last seasons buys were horrendous.

True. What's their set-up anyway? Do they have a DoF type bloke? Or is it all Poch?

 

[KM]

True. What's their set-up anyway? Do they have a DoF type bloke? Or is it all Poch?

They had Paul Mitchell who was at Saints when Pochettino was manager but he resigned last season due to some disagreements.

 

[Rafateria]

I don't think he was their most important player, by any means, but his pace and power down the right was a big part of their game. I don't see Trippier as anything other than a downgrade in this regard. Tidy little player though he may be.

At the end of the day, Spurs should be hoping to improve their squad if they're serious about winning the league. So far, they've done the opposite.

The stats say otherwise though. Trippier is clearly the better attacking player (both had 5 assists, however Trippier in 586 mins and Walker in 2,710) and Trippier created 1.84 chances per 90 mins to Walker's 1.30.
That said Walker has clearly superior defensive stats with 90 mins metrics of 1.20 vs 0.77 (Interceptions), 3.32 to 2.30 (clearances), tackles about even (Trippier wins more but loses more too) and Trippier has the edge in blocks 0.23 to 0.46.

 

[Kurosawa]

Really good articl here on Spurs:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...enham-transfers-daniel-levy-kyle-walker-spurs

Some of the good points made are:

- Spurs have quality players earning much less than they could elsewhere.

- How can they continue to sustain this? Longterm they simply can't. They either break the wage structure or lose players.


- They are going to struggle improve on what they have as they won't pay big fees and wages that are required.

I guess it's what we already know but a good read nonetheless.

I think they are in a critical phase right now. If they don't win anything next season and latest, the season after that, then I doubt they will win anything big within the next 5 seasons.

Here's why. Right now Spurs have one of the best teams in the league and it's not even a case of overachieving. Their team is genuinely one of the best 3 teams. And their players are all at Good ages and have enough experience at the top level (even though some of them are actually very young) . They are imo a team that's 'ready' all they need is a Cantona, or some stardust. They need to get a player, (I can't tell you who) who will come in and be the guy you pass the ball to when shit isn't going according to plan. A guy who demands the ball when it's not working out for their team. We had Suarez in 2013/14, and we almost won the league. Yet they have a better team individually and collectively. If only they could get a player like Sanchez because he is exactly what they need to go from a 7/10 team challenging for the premier league to an 8/8.5 winning the title and giving every European Club a fair contest.

My fear for them (I'm actually observing more in glee). Is that they will stick to this small time mentality of saying " let's stick our English core, (the same reason why they are interested in Barkley, if you go back and check Rodgers was doing the same thing, where he thought he could turn every English footballer to a top class player, but I digress ) our lads love playing for each other, for the manager and for the club, squad harmony and team spirit will carry us through, it won't. "

They seem to be going towards the direction which Arsenal took, and want Pochetino to carry them through their years of building, no evidence of this yet, just my feeling. But I think the quality of their premier league rivals is only going to improve and if they don't take advantage of this moment, where they have the squad, the money, possibly the manager and premier league rivals who aren't so insurmountable to win a premier league title and present themselves as a genuinely big club, then they will not get another chance until over a half decade, because their best players will likely leave.

 

[Escobar]

A year ago I said on the equivalent thread that Tottenham would finish in the top 4 again and got laughed at.

If they start strongly this coming season, I think they'll win it

They wont. They will have a worse season this time and wont finish 2nd

 

[LawCharltonBest]

They wont. They will have a worse season this time and wont finish 2nd

It'll be interesting to find out anyway. If I had to put money on one team winning it right now, it would be Spurs. Alli behind Kane is a deadly combination. And everywhere else they're very strong with players in their primes. Lloris is their biggest weakness imo. In the odd game he has more than 3 shots to save, he looks nervy.

But I said about the start, because I think they'd find it hard to recover from a poor start with their expectations and being in Wembley. They have to start strongly.

 

[Utd heap]

Fancy them for 5th this season.

 

[villain]

Who are they in for in the market?

I think they'll do well to finish top 4 again this season, especially with Arsenal out of the CL.

 

[Escobar]

It'll be interesting to find out anyway. If I had to put money on one team winning it right now, it would be Spurs. Alli behind Kane is a deadly combination. And everywhere else they're very strong with players in their primes. Lloris is their biggest weakness imo. In the odd game he has more than 3 shots to save, he looks nervy.

But I said about the start, because I think they'd find it hard to recover from a poor start with their expectations and being in Wembley. They have to start strongly.

I don't rate them as highly as you do. Will Alli and Kane have another great season? Probably, probably not. The rest of the team is strong with a very good manager but they might run into "2nd season" syndrome. I know everyone thought the other top teams will be stronger last season, but this season, I'm sure that City and United will be stronger. Arsenal I am not sure, but Chelsea will be strong as well. Let's see

 

[RedSky]

Who are they in for in the market?

I think they'll do well to finish top 4 again this season, especially with Arsenal out of the CL.

Not much. It's been very quiet for them which probably suggests they'll do a Levy special late signing which never really works out. Also seems unlikely they'll sell too many players as the last thing they want is 4/5 players leaving and having to replace them late in the window. That probably suggests that players like Jannsen and Sissoko will remain with them. Dier might leave which will be an issue for them as they'll need to find a replacement unless they promote Carter Vickers (who is widely regarded as their best youth talent) according to Spurs fans on here.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

It will be interesting to see how Spurs do at Wembley. If they end up performing like in the CL next season then it will be a disaster. Still I doubt they will perform as well as at WHL. Thus combine those two effects and I think Spurs may perform slightly worse this season. Still think they will finish above Arsenal and probably 3 or 4th.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The stats say otherwise though. Trippier is clearly the better attacking player (both had 5 assists, however Trippier in 586 mins and Walker in 2,710) and Trippier created 1.84 chances per 90 mins to Walker's 1.30.
That said Walker has clearly superior defensive stats with 90 mins metrics of 1.20 vs 0.77 (Interceptions), 3.32 to 2.30 (clearances), tackles about even (Trippier wins more but loses more too) and Trippier has the edge in blocks 0.23 to 0.46.

Hmmm... I guess Walker's pace is more important when it comes to tracking back.

 

[RedSky]

I don't rate them as highly as you do. Will Alli and Kane have another great season? Probably, probably not. The rest of the team is strong with a very good manager but they might run into "2nd season" syndrome. I know everyone thought the other top teams will be stronger last season, but this season, I'm sure that City and United will be stronger. Arsenal I am not sure, but Chelsea will be strong as well. Let's see

You mean 3rd season syndrome?

They'll struggle to be as good as last season what with the Stadium issues. They'll still be strong in the league though, but the gap is narrowing (at least in theory) between the chasing pack. Still don't think Arsenal are that good to be honest and with Wenger still at the club they'll still have issues with the fans once they have their usual wobble. They'll be 3rd I think.

 

[Escobar]

You mean 3rd season syndrome?

They'll struggle to be as good as last season what with the Stadium issues. They'll still be strong in the league though, but the gap is narrowing (at least in theory) between the chasing pack. Still don't think Arsenal are that good to be honest and with Wenger still at the club they'll still have issues with the fans once they have their usual wobble. They'll be 3rd I think.

4th at best. But let's see, maybe I'm overrating the other top teams