Danilo will play in 3 positions depending I think. RB, LB and DMC depending on where he's required.
Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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Nope. Danilo will provide cover at left back too and can play central mid if needs be as well.
Kolarov to Roma confirmed for almost £6m. Surprised we got that fee for him in truth given his age. Hard to see fans of Roma or Lazio being cool with this.
Despite his flaws I always like him. Another of our best ever team shipped out, even though its the right call, sad to see him go. He's played a part in every trophy we've won in my lifetime (apart from a first division in 2002).
We've now taken in £41m in incoming this summer from
Kola - £5.8m
Unal - £11.9m
Nolito - £7.65m
Hart - £2m (loan fee)
Sobrino - £1.7m
Mooy - £7.75m
Ntcham - £4.5m
If we can offload Mangala (rumored £15m), Nasri (£5m approx), Bony (£10m), Fernando, Brattan, Denayer and maybe Delph we should get close to covering the cost of 2 of the fullbacks and cut wages by a fair amount for FFP.
Add in Iheanacho (£25m) and we should be taking in well over £100m for the summer.
Despite his flaws I always like him. Another of our best ever team shipped out, even though its the right call, sad to see him go. He's played a part in every trophy we've won in my lifetime (apart from a first division in 2002).
We've now taken in £41m in incoming this summer from
Kola - £5.8m
Unal - £11.9m
Nolito - £7.65m
Hart - £2m (loan fee)
Sobrino - £1.7m
Mooy - £7.75m
Ntcham - £4.5m
If we can offload Mangala (rumored £15m), Nasri (£5m approx), Bony (£10m), Fernando, Brattan, Denayer and maybe Delph we should get close to covering the cost of 2 of the fullbacks and cut wages by a fair amount for FFP.
Add in Iheanacho (£25m) and we should be taking in well over £100m for the summer.
Good call. Didn't think about it.
Their main creator will be De Bruyne, and main goalscorer will be Aguero.
Gabriel Jesus says whhhurrrttt?
As great as the side looks on paper, the one thing that would worry me would be the like of height / strength in the team.
The squad lacks physicality.
The squad lacks physicality.
Aguero doesn't seem to be on the outs with Guardiola any more, and he's one of the few certainties in the EPL. He'll get minutes as a starter, and minutes for Aguero means goals.
How much are the new buys on?
City are giving Hart a couple of a million (out of the loan fee)? Presumably to help with the FFP?
They'll be on less than Nasri for certain. Plus there is only 5 coming in and about 15 leaving.
In wages we've had
Kolarov - 85k
Clichy - 90k
Zabeleta - 90k
Sagna - 80k
Nolito - 100k
Navas - 90k
Caballero - 25k
Unal - 10k
The above are already gone with the following wages leaving
Nasri - 120k
Bony - 100k
Delph - 90k
Fernando - 75k
Mangala - 100k
Iheanacho - 10k (can't remember if he signed a new deal)
Hart - 110k (not sure how much of his wages we're paying so I'll leave him out of my maths. edit: Appearantly we're paying 55k of his 120k wages.)
Thats 55,380,000 in wages off the books.
Yaya also singed a new deal at 1/2 his former wages.
Thats another £6m off the books (so essentially Yaya's wage cut will fund the wages for one of the new signings.)
In total that will be £61m in wages gone if all leave.
If Ederson, Walker, Mendy, Silva and Danilo are on even £100k per week thats a maximum of £26m so a saving on wages of £35 providing we get all the above off the books.
Taking wages and transfers into account.
We'll be plus £35m on wages.
Outgoing will be around £100m (providing the Iheanacho deal goes ahead) and transfer spending (using transfer markt as a guide) will be at
Walker - 45 (rising to 54, I believe)
Silva - 43
Ederson - 34
Luiz - 10
Mendy - 52
Danilo - 30 (fee is believed between 30 and 35m Euro, so I put in £30m).
Thats £223m out (providing we eventually pay the £54m for Walker)
If we hit transfer income of £100m (all hinging on Kelechi)
And we save £30m on wages from the free transfers/players out.
We're looking at being around £93m in the hole for the summer.
Things will look even better if Denayer moves on, although I believe his wage at City is only around £1.25m a year.
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Danilo will be a very good WB imo, should definitely look better than he showed at Madrid.
He's not going to start over Walker or Mendy. Not going to be first choice at DM either so he's just swapped one bench for another.
You won't get rid of all of them(bolded ones) at full wages. Plus Walker, Mendy, Silva will be all at more than 100k.
I did similar calculation for ManUtd few years ago when we offloads loads of players and then when I saw the wage bill it was still more than last season. I made a basic mistake which even you are doing, you like me have ignored percentage increase of existing players. Most players won't have fixed wages, there will be some percentage increase.
I agree. Will be very surprised if Walker earns less than 150K per week
Yeah, that should cover for less than half of what you've already spent this window, right?
For me Mendy is their best signing. He's excellent and City's LB has been crap for years. No decent team should have Kolarov and Clichy competing at LB.
You're in the hole of 100m or more every summer for the last four years or so. The biggest and the most prestigious clubs cannot afford to live like that, and yet somehow you manage. How's that even possible?
feck off. Still be a little short ! Hahaha !
Ridiculous assertion. Name me ONE CB anywhere in the world who doesn't have a brainfart now and again. They are human beings not robots.
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City-arab-oil-money to play like this?
Ederson
Danilo Kompany Stones
Walker Silva Fernandinho Mendy
Bernardo Silva de Bruyne
Gabriel Jesus
Sterling, Sanè and Aguero on the bench. If they didn't win the league Guardiola should just retire.
Ederson
Danilo Kompany Stones
Walker Silva Fernandinho Mendy
Bernardo Silva de Bruyne
Gabriel Jesus
Sterling, Sanè and Aguero on the bench. If they didn't win the league Guardiola should just retire.
No doubt they have a strong squad next year, they're gonna take some beating.
Yep, his crosses are pure magic.
I could see him being first choice right back after a few weeks as he is certainly a better passer and better technically than walker
Because better players guarantee success?! And other clubs spend money too, you know. City will play fantastic attacking football, most neutrals will love them, but the likes of United and Chelsea with their counter attacking approach might the ones, who're laughing at the end of the day.
If kompany can't stay fit (and he has not managed over 30 league games in a season since 2011-2012 I still they look a little underwhelming with centre backs.. . Especially with a keeper new to the pl behind them... hopefully they don't go and jiz a sackfull of oil money on a decent defender and that can be their undoing
Hopefully. Liked him at Barca, but i just can't stand him now.
Haha, just knew it.
Anyway, he's got a self righteous side of his, i'm not a fan, but i appreciate having someone with his approach to the game in the league. For me, it would be boring if we all would play the same way, an issue i have with the Bundesliga. So, a sacking would leave the league a bit short, but fingers crossed that they don't win a thing next season. Have you already got your hopes up for next season? I think Lacazette will bang in a few, but there're still rumours that your team might have difficulties holding on to the Ox.
City are raising an interesting questiin, for me.
We've clearly got the same spending power that City have. However City seem to pay whatever it takes, while we're sticking to some sort of financial morals, for lack of a better phrase. We seem keen to do it on our terms while City are just meeting selling clubs valuations.
With City you get the feeling if they wanted Perisic, they would've paid the €50m or whatever Inter wanted.
Which do you prefer? Pay whatever it takes or have your own valuation and pretty much stick to that?
We've clearly got the same spending power that City have. However City seem to pay whatever it takes, while we're sticking to some sort of financial morals, for lack of a better phrase. We seem keen to do it on our terms while City are just meeting selling clubs valuations.
With City you get the feeling if they wanted Perisic, they would've paid the €50m or whatever Inter wanted.
Which do you prefer? Pay whatever it takes or have your own valuation and pretty much stick to that?
The issue is the players in question. I would hope we conclude our deals by end of this month.
The amount of money they've spent this summer is ridiculous. Pressure is well and truly on Pep for next season he has to win the title.
Would you be happy with the club paying £50m for full backs and £27m for a substitute defender?
They are paying way over the odds for players. It's as simple as that. Lukaku may have cost £75m but he is a top goal scorer proven in the league, and that price includes the United premium that always has to be paid.
Regardless what people say City should not be able to spend that sort of money but can because of their owners. Any City fan that denies that fact is sticking their heads in the sand.
Neither extreme is viable long term but you can understand the suits being more willing to spend over the top when the player in question is in his early 20s or even approaching 25 than when the player is in his late 20s already. There's also the financial side to it, I don't know much about it but I'd be interested to know if we could afford the spending City do every season. Not talking about a season or 2 here but doing it over and over every summer like they've been doing for a while now.
Thing is because the oil men have met all of PGs demands, the pressure is absolutely on him to deliver this season. They have to win the league and at least get to CL semis. Anything else would be deemed a failure. On a side note, his transfer activity has done nothing to affirm the claims of him being one of the best managers in the world.
In a way I'm glad that United are sticking to their guns more so than before, though I'd still be a bit peeved if we missed out on primary targets for the sake of £5m. Then again, I'd be equally peeved if we were paying £60m for Dier. Difficult to call. I guess feelings will be polarized one way or the other come the end of the season.
Exactly, pretty much all of City's purchases should guarantee an average of 7-8 years of football. I don't see them doing this every summer, so they are probably just biting the bullet and going gung ho this summer rather than waiting summer after summer. When you consider how much personnel that they've let go off in one window, their makes sense, albeit expensive.
If you can identify all the targets you need in one summer and can afford it, I see no problems there.
That's fine in theory if you expect PG to stay for another 6 years. What if he leaves the year after next and the new manager doesn't fancy some of these players (assuming they all come good)?
Guardiola has spent 370 million since joining City!
Guardiola has spent 370 million since joining City!
How much has Mourinho spent?
You've paid £89m for Pogba and £75m for Lukaku in the last 12 months. Have a word.
£257m
Yeah. Can you see a difference between our approach and yours this summer? I haven't even said withers right or wrong, but imo there's a clear difference between the 2 approaches this summer.
Have you missed out on a target? Or have you got everyone you've wanted so far?