Barcelona mismanagement leading to a decline

To think in 2015, they had just won a treble. MSN and the squad firing on all cylinders.

How quickly things can change.

Curious to see what they do with the money.
 
How come they can accept the cheque but La Liga's headquarters refused it...?
 
LaLiga claimed Bullshite and neymar's lawyers decided not to lose time with them
But doesn't La Liga have an overarching authority? Can any club just accept payments like that?
 
Barca and Madrid are fecked. No agent worth his salt will allow his player to sign a 1b etc buyout clause. A Neymar size clause allows the threat of oil and English sides swooping in to hover over Spain like a dark cloud. A top player could use it to bump up his wages anytime he wants.
Oh you won't? Maybe my client will wait 1 hour before deadline closes and decide he wants a move away...
 
To think in 2015, they had just won a treble. MSN and the squad firing on all cylinders.

How quickly things can change.

Curious to see what they do with the money.

The money side seems to be easily forgotten by many. That's a serious inflow for potential investments. Buy Mbappe and they are arguably better off in long term. They have Messi and Suarez for now and Mbappe as the new understudy with more years to shine when it his time, albeit less of a sure thing.
 
While there's no doubt this has been a massive dent for Barca and will no doubt set them back, it's probably wise not to overstate relative declines; I remember back in around 2013/2014 we were talking about how poor they looked in comparison to the Guardiola years, but of course the following season they added Suarez to their side and won a treble with one of the most dominant forward lines football's seen.

No doubt there's been a lot of mismanagement there, and I suspect internal politics will have played a part as they often seem to do in Spanish football. At the same time though, I'd be wary of underestimating Barca; right now I'd put my money on Real Madrid winning La Liga next season, and I'd say it's the first time in a long time where they've been the definitive favourites heading into a season, but they have a tendency to descend into a bit of an internal circus no matter how good their squad is.
 
Not enough youth coming through, bad signings recently especially in defence. Need a good kick up the ass does this club.
 
The money side seems to be easily forgotten by many. That's a serious inflow for potential investments. Buy Mbappe and they are arguably better off in long term. They have Messi and Suarez for now and Mbappe as the new understudy with more years to shine when it his time, albeit less of a sure thing.
You can have all the money in the world but if club is not prepared to sell they won't or they will ask stupid money and forced Barca to spend it all on two/three players who will not have as big impact as Neymar did.
 
They want to make money, they are corporate stooges and not football people much less fans of the club. From a sporting perspective they are interested in buying & selling which they don't do well either. There's been unsuccessful motion to censor the current board but it's a harbinger of things to come, no way Barto et al make it to the end of their term
Why? The board cannot take money for themselves, they are still just 'socios'. It is hardly like in England where the owners can pay dividends.

To me, they just look a bit clueless and I have no idea how Barto won the election when Laporta was running. And Laporta might be the best club director I have ever seen in my lifetime.
 
But doesn't La Liga have an overarching authority? Can any club just accept payments like that?
It's a buyout clause. The moment it's paid, that's it. There is no legal basis to refuse it. La Liga claimed bullshite, since neymar and psg have an interest in getting this done asap, instead of opening up a legal case against the LFP they went to the other party with a vested interest in getting the deal done asap, i.e. barcelona and gave them the money. As far as neymar is concerned, the moment he hands in the cheque to barcelona, his contract is terminated. Whether barcelona refuse it, whether the LFP refuse it, it no longer matters. If they do, neymar and PSG will go to FIFA with the documentation and quickly obtain a provisional transfer from them, while they sue barcelona/LFP for as much as they can, win, get even more money, and obtain the permanent transfer
 
They need to buy some players, one of Mbappe/Dembele and Coutinho. They are in trouble now if they dont reinvest wisely, losing Neymar is massive
 
Barca and Madrid are fecked. No agent worth his salt will allow his player to sign a 1b etc buyout clause. A Neymar size clause allows the threat of oil and English sides swooping in to hover over Spain like a dark cloud. A top player could use it to bump up his wages anytime he wants.
Oh you won't? Maybe my client will wait 1 hour before deadline closes and decide he wants a move away...
Really? Madrid doesn't seem to have a problem right now. Maybe it's because the buyout clauses of our players really ARE untouchable...
 
Real madrid are doing it right though, bought Ceballos and that other young fullback. They are proactive and buying the Spanish talents with some top foreign players here and there. Barca are doing nothing
 
I rate Mbappe and Dembele but they're getting seriously overrated after achieving so little.
Is it only because they're gettable at so called lesser clubs? Is that a coincidence? People are judging them based on elite clubs trying to sign them as if they're the best of the best rather than the competition being so fierce because other similar players are unattainable?
Dembele is getting praised to the moon but has he shown more than Dele alli? How would Kane be judged if he were put up for sale by Monaco tomorrow? Pogba was a once in a generation talent when he was up for sale last year but now we have Coutinho v Pogba comparisons since Paul is unsellable and Coutinho seems to be moving.
Its a strange availability bias that seems to be ripe in football
 
Plus you did not piss off PSG like Barca did.
I keep reading this but honestly it is madness. We're talking about a true superstar that would be bought because Barca tried to sign one of their players ? This is underrating the long time interest they had for Neymar (for Ronaldo and Messi but those players weren't willing to even listen). PSG can trigger as much clause as they want, if the player has no interest in joining them, he will not. Neymar wanted to leave Barca for a while, he just wanted to see which club would offer those obscenes wages and would be able to trigger his clause.
Revenge has feck all to do with it.
 
Who is the next priority?

Dembélé, Coutinho, Dybala or Mbappé?
 
I rate Mbappe and Dembele but they're getting seriously overrated after achieving so little.
Is it only because they're gettable at so called lesser clubs? Is that a coincidence? People are judging them based on elite clubs trying to sign them as if they're the best of the best rather than the competition being so fierce because other similar players are unattainable?
Dembele is getting praised to the moon but has he shown more than Dele alli? How would Kane be judged if he were put up for sale by Monaco tomorrow? Pogba was a once in a generation talent when he was up for sale last year but now we have Coutinho v Pogba comparisons since Paul is unsellable and Coutinho seems to be moving.
Its a strange availability bias that seems to be ripe in football

You make a good point in terms of overrating and expecting too much from those young players but tbh yes Dembelé has performed well in the CL and so by definition has shown more than Delle Alli at a higher level. The CL is what is causing their prices to go so high because you can be sure if Dembelé and Mbappé didn't play in the CL last season and still had similar league campains, their hype nor prices wouldn't be so high.
 
Why? The board cannot take money for themselves, they are still just 'socios'. It is hardly like in England where the owners can pay dividends.

To me, they just look a bit clueless and I have no idea how Barto won the election when Laporta was running. And Laporta might be the best club director I have ever seen in my lifetime.

They had just won the treble when Barto beat Laporta.
 
Maybe they had too much of a blind faith for La Massia, expecting players to take over from Xavi and Iniesta (they made a huge blunder with Thiago).
 
Barca fans watching PSG announce Neymar

Oh, I assure you none of the fans who know a dime are shedding any tears, on the contrary, are quite happy. 222mil in the pocket. The possibility of the board getting booted out (that's the best thing actually if it happens), and Neymar going, don't get me wrong he is the best player after Messi and cr7. But he was always a frustration for a lot of us. Constant ball hog/ time wasting, not partnering well with Alba so many occasions I can remember of him just ignoring a very good run from Alba that would have resulted in an opportunity inside the box, whereas he just ignores and then loses the ball. Again he used to redeem himself with those brilliant moments and reminded us of Ronaldinho but still.

We are kinda happy.
 
Crap Defense with overrated players not enough depth and now they've lost their second best player. Gonna need to make some changes soon.
 
To think in 2015, they had just won a treble. MSN and the squad firing on all cylinders.

How quickly things can change.

Curious to see what they do with the money.

This works both ways. Things can change again. If Valverde is the right man and I think he is, a new Barca is in the making.
 
When you think of what he cost them and the return they have had from him, it's been a monumental feck up. He was supposed to be coming into his prime just as Messi was declining. It's no surprise they are upset but I have zero sympathy.
 
Oh, I assure you none of the fans who know a dime are shedding any tears, on the contrary, are quite happy. 222mil in the pocket. The possibility of the board getting booted out (that's the best thing actually if it happens), and Neymar going, don't get me wrong he is the best player after Messi and cr7. But he was always a frustration for a lot of us. Constant ball hog/ time wasting, not partnering well with Alba so many occasions I can remember of him just ignoring a very good run from Alba that would have resulted in an opportunity inside the box, whereas he just ignores and then loses the ball. Again he used to redeem himself with those brilliant moments and reminded us of Ronaldinho but still.

We are kinda happy.
Yeah....okay.
 
I rate Mbappe and Dembele but they're getting seriously overrated after achieving so little.
Is it only because they're gettable at so called lesser clubs? Is that a coincidence? People are judging them based on elite clubs trying to sign them as if they're the best of the best rather than the competition being so fierce because other similar players are unattainable?
Dembele is getting praised to the moon but has he shown more than Dele alli? How would Kane be judged if he were put up for sale by Monaco tomorrow? Pogba was a once in a generation talent when he was up for sale last year but now we have Coutinho v Pogba comparisons since Paul is unsellable and Coutinho seems to be moving.
Its a strange availability bias that seems to be ripe in football

This.
 
Barcelona have won 1 CL, 2 La Ligas, 3 Copa del Reys, 1 Spanish Supercup, 1 Clubs World Cup and 1 European Supercup in the last 3 seasons. If that's declining, every other team on the planet except for maybe Real Madrid (the only team to have a similar collection of trophies in the last 3 years) are in decline.

Only if this season is bad, you can say that they are in decline.
 
Football is not played by individuals but a system. I am sure we will find better fit players for Valverde's system.
The system means feck all if you aren't winning. Neymar won you guys a lot regardless of his deficiencies. You need the talent and the power to replace that or else you guys will be in trouble.
 
I rate Mbappe and Dembele but they're getting seriously overrated after achieving so little.
Is it only because they're gettable at so called lesser clubs? Is that a coincidence? People are judging them based on elite clubs trying to sign them as if they're the best of the best rather than the competition being so fierce because other similar players are unattainable?
Dembele is getting praised to the moon but has he shown more than Dele alli? How would Kane be judged if he were put up for sale by Monaco tomorrow? Pogba was a once in a generation talent when he was up for sale last year but now we have Coutinho v Pogba comparisons since Paul is unsellable and Coutinho seems to be moving.
Its a strange availability bias that seems to be ripe in football

Have you ever considered the best of a bad bunch scenario. A bit like a club full of mingers and every man raves about the 6 like it's a worldie! Sometimes it's just about what foot is out to eat!
 
Dembélé would be the best choice.

Another option: Mbappé CF and Luis Suarez on the left
Why not both? Losing Neymar means they need to add the fire power to replace him and neither Mbappe nor Dembele alone can resolve that IMO.