Neymar Jr | PSG | 2017/2018 performances

Harrisamo said:
If he propels them to a Champions League win then fair fecks to him. He's got the money and the glory. It feels far-fetched to me though. I just find it odd people getting defensive about the whole thing. Is it to do with the French league getting derided that some don't appreciate? Regardless, it surely hasn't fooled many into thinking PSG are part of the elite (yet). Just that they are willing to throw enough money at people to convince them into buying into their 'project'.
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Personally what I don't appreciate is the general attitude, it's actually something that you see with the Perisic and Dembélé transfers too. Fans of big clubs seem convinced that they deserve everything from anyone without being challenged, apparently clubs should know their places, players should love them, every other leagues are shite and are beneath them and their dream signings. There is zero humility, zero respect and it seems that there is zero sense of history.

What would have people say when Cruyff left the great Ajax for Barcelona?
 
Imagine he gets injured first game of the season? :nervous:
 
I was originally born in Paris and spent many years there, so I'm naturally very excited and happy for PSG to be able to lure a player like Neymar. People will speak about the money, and it is obscene, but I think it goes a bit beyond that. PSG is a relatively young club compared to some of the long-standing clubs you see out there, it's less than 50 years old. It doesn't have the richest history, but it's not as non-existent as some on here like to pretend, even before the QSI takeover. There is especially a history of Brazilians playing for PSG. Before Neymar, there was Ronaldinho, Rai, Leonardo, Joel Camargo was one of their first big recruit a year into their inception after they failed to get Pele.
Now there is Lucas, Thiago Silva/Motta, Dani Alves (who claims he joined PSG because Neymar told him he was going there), etc.

PSG has a presence in Brazil, and now they're a club of tremendous resources but without a history-making player like a Messi or Cristiano (which to be fair, not many clubs have had that). Neymar's got the opportunity to make incredible sums of money (which I don't believe is his primary motivation), but he has the chance to become a transcendent player for a club that hasn't had one but yet has the resources to compete with any club in the world. He's not just going to make history for PSG, but for all of French football. There is going to be much more interest in Ligue 1, more eyes on the games, and more revenue from TV broadcasting rights. There are Marseilles fans (who hate PSG) buying a jersey with Neymar on the back, it's quite incredible as I've never seen that before.

It is a huge win for Ligue 1, and even if Monaco will have difficulties competing, this will not be a cakewalk. Look out for Bielsa's Lille, don't count out Lyon and Marseille. There are some very interesting players and team developing in France and a guy like Neymar will shine a light on this league that gets too little credit for being such a huge provider of talents to the rest of the leagues.

JPRouve said:
Personally what I don't appreciate is the general attitude, it's actually something that you see with the Perisic and Dembélé transfers too. Fans of big clubs seem convinced that they deserve everything from anyone without being challenged, apparently clubs should know their places, players should love them, every other leagues are shite and are beneath them and their dream signings. There is zero humility, zero respect and it seems that there is zero sense of history.

What would have people say when Cruyff left the great Ajax for Barcelona?
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Couldn't agree more with you. The sense of entitlement can be nauseating at times.
 
Ecstatic said:
@amolbhatia50k

I only see ignorance and arrogance in your posts.

You are free to think it's racist to suggest you're certainly unfamiliar with the French League given your previous post.

Neymar said himself he did join PSG to write History.

Shoud I believe you or Neymar himself? Tough choice.

Also, I have always found the status quos boring, just my personal opinion.
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And I only see assumption and a lack of comprehension in yours.

Erm, I never said Neymar didn't join PSG to write history. Again you go fighting against weird fake arguments noone is making. I simply don't agree with his move. Not his motives for it which none of us know much about. I mean he's hardly going to say "I'm here to make money!!". But he also doesn't need money given he was at Barcelona. So I assume he feels he fan achieve more important things and be happier in Paris.

The post you quoted discussed the merits of the move not the intentions.
 
JPRouve said:
It could be a motivating factor, revitalize a club like PSG.

Personally I am disappointed by a lot of people. I wouldn't have made the move that Neymar made because in my opinion Barcelona is a better city, La Liga is obviously a better league and the FC Barcelona was a club where he could have tried to overshadow a lot of legends of the game. I understand why he would join PSG though, the money is good, the city is good even though it's not my favorite and he can write an unparalleled history for PSG.

For me the disappointing part is how people are insulting towards everything and everyone, the league, the club and the player.

is an incredible amount of arrogance and lack of respect in football, that's disappointing.
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Personally I do repsect the French league even if my words intend to exaggerate the point at times. This could end being a good for Neymar and French football but I do disagree with it and wouldn't have done it was in his place. That week in week out tense title race battle facing better teams every week and a brilliant foe in Madrid, I'd not give that up for anything (other than united being a united fan) if I was Neymar. The best players should be under that incredible pressure every week and his bread and butter should be the best league teams. Now I don't think Neymar deserves abuse for this move nor does PSG or the French league. And I don't mean that the French league doesn't have pressure or can't have a tough title race but I don't think it'll be the same. The challenge of dominating Madrid or Barca in the league in what is the best league about is a big big deal. Maybe I just consider league football a lot more important than other people. The CL as glorious as it is is a cup competition and the Balon Dor is an individual trophy.
 
Ecstatic said:
@amolbhatia50k

I only see ignorance and arrogance in your posts.

You are free to think it's racist to suggest you're certainly unfamiliar with the French League given your previous post.

Neymar said himself he did join PSG to write History.

Shoud I believe you or Neymar himself? Tough choice.

Also, I have always found the status quos boring, just my personal opinion.
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He's not going to say he's come for money, is he? Everything about Neymar and his father screams money and greed. He'd have definitely stayed at Barca if he got the same 550k salary.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Personally I do repsect the French league even if my words intend to exaggerate the point at times. This could end being a good for Neymar and French football but I do disagree with it and wouldn't have done it was in his place. That week in week out tense title race battle facing better teams every week and a brilliant foe in Madrid, I'd not give that up for anything (other than united being a united fan) if I was Neymar. The best players should be under that incredible pressure every week and his bread and butter should be the best league teams. Now I don't think Neymar deserves abuse for this move nor does PSG or the French league. And I don't mean that the French league doesn't have pressure or can't have a tough title race but I don't think it'll be the same. The challenge of dominating Madrid or Barca in the league in what is the best league about is a big big deal. Maybe I just consider league football a lot more important than other people. The CL as glorious as it is is a cup competition and the Balon Dor is an individual trophy.
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I like you, so I'm going to be blunt. You are a liar, if Neymar signs for Bayern or Juventus we don't see or hear half of the comments made, even though both teams have enjoyed easier league campaigns than PSG, when players were joining an all conquering Barcelona that argument wasn't popular either. The problem is just that PSG doesn't have the image of an historical club and people don't like oil money, they like money though.
 
JPRouve said:
I like you, so I'm going to be blunt. You are a liar, if Neymar signs for Bayern or Juventus we don't see or hear half of the comments made, even though both teams have enjoyed easier league campaigns than PSG, when players were joining an all conquering Barcelona that argument wasn't popular either. The problem is just that PSG doesn't have the image of an historical club and people don't like oil money, they like money though.
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Jesus christ! I had no idea people would get so defensive over the French league?! A bit of self-depreciation wouldn't go amiss.

Comparing two hugely historical clubs in Bayern and Juventus to PSG was an odd thing to do. The respective leagues aren't at their competitive best but both are elite clubs who are genuine CL contenders.
 
Harrisamo said:
Jesus christ! I had no idea people would get so defensive over the French league?! A bit of self-depreciation wouldn't go amiss.

Comparing two hugely historical clubs in Bayern and Juventus to PSG was an odd thing to do. The respective leagues aren't at their competitive best but both are elite clubs who are genuine CL contenders.
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That part wasn't really serious, you should have guest it if you weren't so hurt by Neymar(I'm pulling your leg). As for the rest, that's my point people talk about competion when they only care about preserving the football royalty, it's fine but don't pretend otherwise.
 
Sayros said:
I was originally born in Paris and spent many years there, so I'm naturally very excited and happy for PSG to be able to lure a player like Neymar. People will speak about the money, and it is obscene, but I think it goes a bit beyond that. PSG is a relatively young club compared to some of the long-standing clubs you see out there, it's less than 50 years old. It doesn't have the richest history, but it's not as non-existent as some on here like to pretend, even before the QSI takeover. There is especially a history of Brazilians playing for PSG. Before Neymar, there was Ronaldinho, Rai, Leonardo, Joel Camargo was one of their first big recruit a year into their inception after they failed to get Pele.
Now there is Lucas, Thiago Silva/Motta, Dani Alves (who claims he joined PSG because Neymar told him he was going there), etc.

PSG has a presence in Brazil, and now they're a club of tremendous resources but without a history-making player like a Messi or Cristiano (which to be fair, not many clubs have had that). Neymar's got the opportunity to make incredible sums of money (which I don't believe is his primary motivation), but he has the chance to become a transcendent player for a club that hasn't had one but yet has the resources to compete with any club in the world. He's not just going to make history for PSG, but for all of French football. There is going to be much more interest in Ligue 1, more eyes on the games, and more revenue from TV broadcasting rights. There are Marseilles fans (who hate PSG) buying a jersey with Neymar on the back, it's quite incredible as I've never seen that before.

It is a huge win for Ligue 1, and even if Monaco will have difficulties competing, this will not be a cakewalk. Look out for Bielsa's Lille, don't count out Lyon and Marseille. There are some very interesting players and team developing in France and a guy like Neymar will shine a light on this league that gets too little credit for being such a huge provider of talents to the rest of the leagues.



Couldn't agree more with you. The sense of entitlement can be nauseating at times.
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JPRouve said:
That part wasn't really serious, you should have guest it if you weren't so hurt by Neymar(I'm pulling your leg). As for the rest, that's my point people talk about competion when they only care about preserving the football royalty, it's fine but don't pretend otherwise.
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I get what you're saying, and I suppose it's different for a team playing in the French league, but I think people crave a bump to the status quo. The means to the end massively influence it though. My colleague in Brazil wears a Leicester City shirt. People adore Spurs. The vast majority of neutrals were backing Athletico Madrid to beat Real Madrid, likewise Dortmund against Bayern. A club like PSG spending 220m (220m!!!!!!) on one player is perverse and I think it's bit misplaced for people to try and rationalise it.
 
This move has done a lot of good for Psg and Neymar as well in my opinion. For a normal club, spending that much amount is bonkers. But it won't affect Psg and it certainly makes them stronger. For Neymar himself, the whole focus has completely and undoubtedly shifted in the past few weeks and there is going to be huge amount of attention every time he steps on the pitch. He will make a tonne of money, try achieve things for a different club and gives himself a chance to outshine Messi/Ronaldo. I can see a lot more people interested in Ligue 1 thanks to Neymar's appeal. However, the make or break will be cl performances and that's where it gets dangerous. As good as Neymar is, there is no guarantee he can drag Psg all by himself. They are already a good team but there are many such good teams and better ones. And if and when Psg gets knocked out this year, I can anticipate an absolute carnage.
 
Harrisamo said:
I get what you're saying, and I suppose it's different for a team playing in the French league, but I think people crave a bump to the status quo. The means to the end massively influence it though. My colleague in Brazil wears a Leicester City shirt. People adore Spurs. The vast majority of neutrals were backing Athletico Madrid to beat Real Madrid, likewise Dortmund against Bayern. A club like PSG spending 220m (220m!!!!!!) on one player is perverse and I think it's bit misplaced for people to try and rationalise it.
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I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Qatar want to prepare their post oil era and to achieve that they believe that tourism and investment in areas like real estate is the way to go, PSG and Paris are part of that strategy. Neymar will make a fortune and will have a solid CL team built around him.
 
Sayros said:
I was originally born in Paris and spent many years there, so I'm naturally very excited and happy for PSG to be able to lure a player like Neymar. People will speak about the money, and it is obscene, but I think it goes a bit beyond that. PSG is a relatively young club compared to some of the long-standing clubs you see out there, it's less than 50 years old. It doesn't have the richest history, but it's not as non-existent as some on here like to pretend, even before the QSI takeover. There is especially a history of Brazilians playing for PSG. Before Neymar, there was Ronaldinho, Rai, Leonardo, Joel Camargo was one of their first big recruit a year into their inception after they failed to get Pele.
Now there is Lucas, Thiago Silva/Motta, Dani Alves (who claims he joined PSG because Neymar told him he was going there), etc.

PSG has a presence in Brazil, and now they're a club of tremendous resources but without a history-making player like a Messi or Cristiano (which to be fair, not many clubs have had that). Neymar's got the opportunity to make incredible sums of money (which I don't believe is his primary motivation), but he has the chance to become a transcendent player for a club that hasn't had one but yet has the resources to compete with any club in the world. He's not just going to make history for PSG, but for all of French football. There is going to be much more interest in Ligue 1, more eyes on the games, and more revenue from TV broadcasting rights. There are Marseilles fans (who hate PSG) buying a jersey with Neymar on the back, it's quite incredible as I've never seen that before.

It is a huge win for Ligue 1, and even if Monaco will have difficulties competing, this will not be a cakewalk. Look out for Bielsa's Lille, don't count out Lyon and Marseille. There are some very interesting players and team developing in France and a guy like Neymar will shine a light on this league that gets too little credit for being such a huge provider of talents to the rest of the leagues.
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Back at the turn of the 1990's, most of the money was in the Spanish and Italian leagues and even the biggest English clubs struggled to attract any of the marquee foreign players. If someone had told me back then that 25 years or so later the soon to be formed English Premier League would be by far and away the most lucrative in world football and that Serie A would've lost it's global appeal as much as it has then I wouldn't have believed them.

People need to perhaps consider this when writing off the strength of the French league because in another 25 years the landscape may have changed so dramatically again that Ligue 1 could well be the most popular league on the planet.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Qatar want to prepare their post oil era and to achieve that they believe that tourism and investment in areas like real estate is the way to go, PSG and Paris are part of that strategy. Neymar will make a fortune and will have a solid CL team built around him.
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What's there to be confused about? People take umbrage with the perverse money involved. It's the epitome of money winning out over football. Bit of a random point as I don't think anyone has an issue with 'tourism and investment' in Paris (although if it's anything like the UK they'll be contributing considerably to fecking up the housing market for the vast majority). Neymar stands to win less both in terms of individual and club honours so it's a bit sad to see from a footballing perspective.
 
M18CTID said:
Back at the turn of the 1990's, most of the money was in the Spanish and Italian leagues and even the biggest English clubs struggled to attract any of the marquee foreign players. If someone had told me back then that 25 years or so later the soon to be formed English Premier League would be by far and away the most lucrative in world football and that Serie A would've lost it's global appeal as much as it has then I wouldn't have believed them.

People need to perhaps consider this when writing off the strength of the French league because in another 25 years the landscape may have changed so dramatically again that Ligue 1 could well be the most popular league on the planet.
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Particularly given the fact Ligue Un has an advantage in that a recent estimate suggested French-speaking countries will account for 8% of the world's population in 2050, and Ligue Un is already the strongest league in French speaking countries.
 
Meh, English is still the world's language and the PL profits from that.
 
Harrisamo said:
What's there to be confused about? People take umbrage with the perverse money involved. It's the epitome of money winning out over football. Bit of a random point as I don't think anyone has an issue with 'tourism and investment' in Paris (although if it's anything like the UK they'll be contributing considerably to fecking up the housing market for the vast majority). Neymar stands to win less both in terms of individual and club honours so it's a bit sad to see from a footballing perspective.
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From his POV he doesn't and only his opinion and his relatives matter in this, the ultimate individual prize for him is the Ballon d'Or and he doesn't wanna wait for Messi to retire/be finished. He wants to go for it now, he's won everything there is to win at club level. More leagues and champions leagues ain't gonna satisfy this individual hunger he's got for the ballon d'Or.
Will he get it ? IMHO, he won't in the near future because PSG won't win the CL with their backline and keepers but I can definitely understand why he went to Paris, on top of the ridiculous wages. From a football POV, there is plenty of logic for him to leave Barca for PSG.
 
kouroux said:
From his POV he doesn't and only his opinion and his relatives matter in this, the ultimate individual prize for him is the Ballon d'Or and he doesn't wanna wait for Messi to retire/be finished. He wants to go for it now, he's won everything there is to win at club level. More leagues and champions leagues ain't gonna satisfy this individual hunger he's got for the ballon d'Or.
Will he get it ? IMHO, he won't in the near future because PSG won't win the CL with their backline and keepers but I can definitely understand why he went to Paris, on top of the ridiculous wages. From a football POV, there is plenty of logic for him to leave Barca for PSG.
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Having a hunger for individual awards is great but unfortunately for him football isn't an individual game and your likelyhood of achieving individual honours is dependent on having a great team around you who win the highest honours. Obviously... How many goals will he realistically have to score to win the Balon d'Or if PSG don't win the Champions League? His only hope is to lead Brazil to a World Cup next year, which he obviously could have done at Barcelona.
 
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kouroux said:
It's not any crazy that the sum spent on Lukaku, spent on Pogba and the sums that will be spent on players like Dembélé/M'Bappé. The market is what it is, it didn't wait for PSG to trigger Neymar's clause for it to be loco.
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What sort of figure would constitute 'crazy', in your opinion? 400m? 800m? An already inflated market will obviously feel the effects of this. Coutinho is now worth north of 100m ffs. Doesn't his agent (his dad) stand to make 35m from this? Footballing reasons my arse.
 
Am I the only one not phased at all by the pricetag?

Money and value is completely irrelevant in modern day football, especially to us working class fans. Just enjoy the fact that he's the main man at a major European force and let's see if he can challenge for the Balon d'Or and win them the Champions League.
 
matherto said:
Am I the only one not phased at all by the pricetag?

Money and value is completely irrelevant in modern day football, especially to us working class fans. Just enjoy the fact that he's the main man at a major European force and let's see if he can challenge for the Balon d'Or and win them the Champions League.
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No, I'm like you. Putting football figures outside of football is quickly ridiculous, you have teenagers earning more than doctors, teachers, scientists.
 
Harrisamo said:
What sort of figure would constitute 'crazy', in your opinion? 400m? 800m? An already inflated market will obviously feel the effects of this. Coutinho is now worth north of 100m ffs. Doesn't his agent (his dad) stand to make 35m from this? Footballing reasons my arse.
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It's not any crazy = they are all crazy amounts. We live in a crazy period.
 
Harrisamo said:
Having a hunger for individual awards is great but unfortunately for him football isn't an individual game and your likely of achieving individual honours is dependent on having a great team around you who win the highest honours. Obviously... How many goals will he realistically have to score to win the Balon d'Or if PSG don't win the Champions League? His only hope is to lead Brazil to a World Cup next year, which he obviously could have done at Barcelona.
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It is about individual glory in a team sport. The best footballers are all selfish and self centered to various degres.
Leaving Barca for more money an more possibilities to shine as the one true superstar of his club is really tempting. I'd be him, I wouldn't have hesitated or kept it quiete, I'd have made my intentions a while ago.
 
Apparently Neymar considering legal action about an unpaid loyalty bonus of $30m from Barca. Barca really do try and make their own rules and clause stipulations as they go along.
 
According to Le Télégramme the final papers for the transfer should be sent today and Neymar will be able to play his first game in a PSG shirt against Guingamp this weekend.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Apparently Neymar considering legal action about an unpaid loyalty bonus of $30m from Barca. Barca really do try and make their own rules and clause stipulations as they go along.
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Money in football is mental, I bet after he gets paid his "loyalty" bonus he'd have banked €100m just to transfer!
 
BBRBB said:
According to Le Télégramme the final papers for the transfer should be sent today and Neymar will be able to play his first game in a PSG shirt against Guingamp this weekend.
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Looking forward to his debut.
 
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