Spurs 'problem' is that they struck gold with the likes of Alli, Eriksen and Dier for bargain prices on low wages. For their model to work they need to continue finding these bargains while more recent signings Sissoko, Janssen, Njie suggest it's likely to be unsustainable.
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Spurs simply cannot afford to pay their players a decent wage, at least not to the extent of Chelsea, City or United among others. That would be enough alone to cause issues among the squad, but for Levy to then price his players out of the transfer market, plus refuse to offer them your bog standard release clause, is just asking for trouble.
Rose is an utter prat making that interview a few days before the League starts. What a fecking idiot. If you're not being listened to by Manager and Chairman and you're feeling frustrated about the situation then go say it midway through pre season. All he's done is contradict himself. He says he wants to win trophies and medals but then destabilises the dressing room before the opening game of the Season against a Title Rival!? Dickhead.
The content of his actual interview is all fair. But the timing of it is absurd and the constant mention of wages just makes him come across as greedy.
The content of his actual interview is all fair. But the timing of it is absurd and the constant mention of wages just makes him come across as greedy.
This is exactly how I see it as well.
Bench him as you did with Walker and play someone else is what i'd do with him. But you can't even do that because he's fecking injured half the time.
Agree with those saying what he did was not actually that bad, just the timing was misguided at best, and almost sabotage at worst.
I agree with this, Walker and Rose were a massive part of the way Tottenham set up. I reckon they will still get top 4 at this stage, but I would not be surprised at all if they lose Rose and do not. Replacing them is going to be a bit of a nightmare.
I agree with this, Walker and Rose were a massive part of the way Tottenham set up. I reckon they will still get top 4 at this stage, but I would not be surprised at all if they lose Rose and do not. Replacing them is going to be a bit of a nightmare.
Have Spurs bought anyone to improve their team so far?
Can't remember anyone they have signed this summer.
Can't remember anyone they have signed this summer.
Not yet
Strongest link is Barkley, other than that no idea.
Sensible comments from Rose.
He hasn't actually said anything offensive or even controversial, it's just that it's more acceptable to lie than to be honest.
He's not said anything that every footy fan doesn't already know (except for the 'Levy Cult' that folk like @GlastonSpur seem to've become hypnotized by).
And although some Spurs fans might be angry with him, he might just've don't the club a favour by giving Levy a desperately needed kick up the backside.
He hasn't actually said anything offensive or even controversial, it's just that it's more acceptable to lie than to be honest.
He's not said anything that every footy fan doesn't already know (except for the 'Levy Cult' that folk like @GlastonSpur seem to've become hypnotized by).
And although some Spurs fans might be angry with him, he might just've don't the club a favour by giving Levy a desperately needed kick up the backside.
It's not really the comments that are the problem though - although his dig at the quality of some of his team mates was misjudged at best. It's the timing and how he chose to do it that is the problem for me. I think all of us agree that Spurs will have to increase the wages we pay our players and I think we also agree that we need to improve the squad with quality players - nothing there is that problematic.
Truly appalling behaviour, absolutely no decorum whatsoever.
I hope Poch has him rot in the under 21's. Certainly don't want him at United no matter how much he wishes to join us.
To be fair to Rose, you have to ask yourself, had Tottenham actually displayed some ambition this window and spent some money, would he have made these comments? I don't think so. That's not to condone his behaviour, yet it's easy to recognise the source of his frustration. He's 27, one of the best full-backs in the league, and he has not a single medal to show for it, and a wage that could be substantially higher elsewhere.
Why can't anyone acknowledge we don't have the reasources of United, Liverpool, Chelsea, City or Arsenal. We gather any thing from £100M-£300M less per anum. To say Levy hasn't invested when we have just built a new training facility and constructing a new stadium is simply ridiculous. The new stadium is vital to increase annual revenue if we are to be able to offer higher wages. If anything I thought United fans would see this. Your a self made club, spending money you generate. Tottenham and Levy want the same and it's not going to happen overnight.
ENIC aren't sugar daddies they are an investment group. If we were owned by a bank roller I'd be pissed as feck but we're not. This whole pricing players out of a move is just silly, if a player we have invested in and trained wants to leave we want the "fair" market value. The thing about Rose's comments that piss me off is he comes out and says all this to a rag top but says he's not forcing a move "yet" and the fact he's been injured for half a season.
I'm not a Spurs fan that thinks we can hold onto everyone we want I know that, ultimately players will outgrow us if we a) don't start winning and b) can't pay what a star player needs. What does piss me off is when a player signs a long contract then a year later, having played less than a season starts slabbering to the media.
Funny thing is if we were bought by a millionaire tomorrow and paid everyone what they wanted most United fans would call us plastic and that we bought our success. We're fecked either way lol.
I posted this on another forum but it shows exactly our dilemma at the momment.
Arsenal
Gate and matchday income £100m
TV and broadcasting £141m
Retail £25m
Commercial £82m
Total £345m
Liverpool
Gate and matchday income £62m
TV and broadcasting £124m
Commercial activities £116m
Total £302m
Chelsea
Broadcasting £143m
Matchday £70m
Commercial £122m
Total £335
City
Gate and Matchday £53m
TV and broadcasting, Uefa £61m
TV and broadcasting, all other £100m
Commercial activities £178m
Total £392
United
Gate and matchday income £107m
TV and broadcasting £140m
Commercial, merchandising and sponsoorship £268m
Total £515
Tottenham
Match receipts £41m
TV and media £94m
All commercial activities £59m
Total £194
That's the revenue streams marked up in January this year IIRC.
ENIC aren't sugar daddies they are an investment group. If we were owned by a bank roller I'd be pissed as feck but we're not. This whole pricing players out of a move is just silly, if a player we have invested in and trained wants to leave we want the "fair" market value. The thing about Rose's comments that piss me off is he comes out and says all this to a rag top but says he's not forcing a move "yet" and the fact he's been injured for half a season.
I'm not a Spurs fan that thinks we can hold onto everyone we want I know that, ultimately players will outgrow us if we a) don't start winning and b) can't pay what a star player needs. What does piss me off is when a player signs a long contract then a year later, having played less than a season starts slabbering to the media.
Funny thing is if we were bought by a millionaire tomorrow and paid everyone what they wanted most United fans would call us plastic and that we bought our success. We're fecked either way lol.
I posted this on another forum but it shows exactly our dilemma at the momment.
Arsenal
Gate and matchday income £100m
TV and broadcasting £141m
Retail £25m
Commercial £82m
Total £345m
Liverpool
Gate and matchday income £62m
TV and broadcasting £124m
Commercial activities £116m
Total £302m
Chelsea
Broadcasting £143m
Matchday £70m
Commercial £122m
Total £335
City
Gate and Matchday £53m
TV and broadcasting, Uefa £61m
TV and broadcasting, all other £100m
Commercial activities £178m
Total £392
United
Gate and matchday income £107m
TV and broadcasting £140m
Commercial, merchandising and sponsoorship £268m
Total £515
Tottenham
Match receipts £41m
TV and media £94m
All commercial activities £59m
Total £194
That's the revenue streams marked up in January this year IIRC.
Not sure what you are arguing here.
Us united supporters on here and most others have simply said that players will leave if they are not paid their market price, especially if they don't get trophies along the way.
That is the rational viewpoint. The unrational viewpoint is put forth by one of your supporters that holds this illusion that said players will ignore salaries and prospect of trophies to get to play in your elusive new stadium. We then again try to argue that the prospect of this new stadium means more to the fans than the players, and it certainly doesnt mean more than salary and trophies for the players.
Depends what Levy wants you to actually be as a club though. The last couple of years you've had a golden chance to compete for the title despite not spending big money. A single PL title win would massively lift your clubs brand, and raise your revenues. Instead of putting in extra cash short term to try and grab that opportunity though, he seems content to just let it slip away which will just result in Spurs returning to regular 5-6 place finishers with Everton. It just seems like a crazy decision to not take advantage while he can.
I see it as some United fans feel we should roll over and simply let our players move on accepting that a player should be allowed to go when ever he wishes. I don't have the same stance that no player will be sold but I believe Levy will do all in his power to keep a player and I think that's the way it should be.
im also saying that it's not as simple as saying Levy should just pay them a "decent" wage is too simplistic when we don't have the resources to do that. It's easy saying "oh other teams have spent money and strengthened" before a football has been kicked in anger. Transfers aren't 100% and in fact most won't live up to their billing.
I don't agree, a Premier League title will bring in any significant extra cash. Sure it will highlight our brand but if we don't have the revenue to follow that up with wages to a higher tear of player it's pointless. What makes money in modern football is match day revenue and commercial intrest. I mean Leiscter hardly kicked on did they? Don't get me wrong I'd love it but to really be able to compete evenly is more guaranteed regular income.
If they sell Rose they should go all out for Kieran Tierney.
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Spurs' situation is really weird. I still think they're most likely to win the league tbh but everything just seems to be going wrong. Their squad depth is reaching critical levels. Surely they're going to sign at least 3 players before the window closes? Spurs have the best first XI of any Premier League team imo. That being said, when injuries and fatigue from Europe set in they're going to have massive problems if they don't sign players. Rose's comments will also cause mass discontent most likely. If Spurs give in and offer Rose a new contract you can bet they'll have to offer every other top player a new contract including Alli. Genuinely don't think Spurs have the money to do that with their new stadium (that is looking like an increasingly ridiculous decision, surely they could have waited until they won the league at least?). This is an all or nothing season for Tottenham imo. If they win the league, these players can get their new contracts and new players will be interested in joining. If they don't win the league or even worse finish outside top 4, I can only see a mass exodus. Clearly there is already discontent over the wage structure, without signs of progress the likes of Alli and Kane will surely be looking to move away.
Is all not well at the happiest team in the country?
The stadium has been in the pipeline for a decade and we just had to go with it, I mean we're building a stadium in a built up area with so many obstacles and mediation. It was a pretty shit time for it to happen but it's a massive game changer for us so have to go with it. Feck it dare I call it a Spursy time for it to happen.
@GlastonSpur still in denial mate?
I still for the life of me can't understand the difference between what Arsenal did when they moved to the emirates and what spurs are doing now. It was all about affording the emirates, and suffering in the transfer market because of it, but eventually it would yield results. It's been over a decade since they moved in and apart from a few FA cups they've done feck all except turn up in random lists all over the internet in 4th position. What is it about this new spurs stadium that will make them successful in the future? Arsenal are a bigger club capable of attracting bigger stars, and they're still nowhere near winning the league again.
Do you know what ur taking about? Arsenal have money to burn but it was Wenger's stubborness that stopped it. Well until this season.
Bigger income which allows them to spend more on wages and transfers. It's short term pain for long term gain.
I get where you're coming from but I think Rose is justified in what he has done, to an extent. The initial reports about this interview described him as a Premier League player at a top 6 club so he might've made efforts to keep it anonymous and protect the club, though it was still quite obvious from the wording that it was a Spurs player.
Also, he did do an interview with BBC back in May voicing his concerns in a more reasoned way so this is likely the result of pent-up frustration and lack of action from the club. It isn't the first time he has made these feelings known, anyway.
Lol ... everything going wrong, mass discontent, mass exodus, new stadium a ridiculous decision.
Get a grip. Danny Rose has been a silly boy, will get his knuckles rapped by Pochettino ... and nothing much else will happen apart from Spurs looking forward to the first game of season and making a signing or two.
Lad you're in serious denial. You have signed no one. Clearly the club is having problems.
There was a project at Arsenal, and now there's one at spurs. Why will the result be any different particularly when it's a smaller team.
So what? We have one of the strongest first XIs in the Prem and the window is still open. It's a premier league marathon of football matches, not a league of transfers to see which team can sign the most players the quickest.
Poch has never said he wouldn't spend money if he had it, Wenger was burned in high profile signings so he stopped. Besides a bigger stadium basically equals a higher wage budget which is what we need.
Eventually Arsenal went out and bought ozil and Sanchez, and then lacazette. They still don't look like a title winning team, not even close. So is this golden era for spurs where they actually win things due to happen in the mid to late 20s? I'm getting tired of hearing about this project. The reality is somewhere in this video
You can't use Arsenal as the law to this argument. They're a fecked up club with many issues and have been for a decade. Wenger lost the ability to put a title winning team together a long time ago, no disrespect to Wenger but if Arsenal showed any genuine amibiton they'd have got rid of him a long time ago. Managers like Players peak imo and he peaked a long time ago. Having said all of this, Levy imo is not a Chairman with ambition, i've never rated him so although I think the reasoning of your point is flawed, I think the actual conclusion is pretty accurate.
I'm waiting to see how Spurs do with their signings because I have a hunch that their transfer policy has gone tits up ever since their top scouts left them a year or two ago in a dispute.
Of what?
If he's not a chairman with ambition what is he? Genuine question, not disagreeing
I'm really not sure what ur on about? I'm saying the new Spurs stadium will help us compete for player and wages, ur mentioning wengers failings from the profit their new stadium brought. Spurs right now are punching above their weight the new stadium reduces the gap. Meaning offering better wages than we are right now.
A businessman, someone that prioritise money over football. He's certainly someone who's improved the club financially but he's never seemed to support any Manager with any real conviction. Just look at their net spend over the last 5 years. It's absurd.
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