The Spurs thread | 2017-18 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned

[Dazzmondo]

So what? We have one of the strongest first XIs in the Prem and the window is still open. It's a premier league marathon of football matches, not a league of transfers to see which team can sign the most players the quickest.

You do understand how the concept of a squad works right? You do need players to replace the players that are injured. Trippier's injured right now so I assume you're going to play Dier there. Dembele's injury prone (you never look as good when he's out btw). Kane is irreplaceable whenever he gets injured. Eriksen and Alli haven't had bad injuries but if they did get one you would have massive problems. You have no fit rw who's good enough and you'll be starting with Sissoko for the first few games of the season. Davies is decent backup for Rose but if you were to sell Rose (which may or may not happen) you would have no natural backup at either lb or rb (doesn't seem to trust Carter-Vickers). Your first XI is great but that's not enough and if you don't sign someone you'll figure that out pretty quickly. It would be different if you weren't in Europe.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

I'm really not sure what ur on about? I'm saying the new Spurs stadium will help us compete for player and wages, ur mentioning wengers failings from the profit their new stadium brought. Spurs right now are punching above their weight the new stadium reduces the gap. Meaning offering better wages than we are right now.

From the outside in, it just looks like a similar project with different expectations, based on nothing.

Believe me, if Spurs can win the league using their very unique approach then it's wonderful for the game, and hopefully they can sustain it. I just wonder, with all the variables, how positive this new stadium will be. The difference between the two clubs approach isn't as big as made out. Business first.

 

[stepic]

41% don't think they'll finish top 4? Lol? I know everyone hates Glaston but come on. They still have Kane and Alli. They're better than Liverpool and Arsenal, comfortably.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Believe me, if Spurs can win the league using their very unique approach then it's wonderful for the game, and hopefully they can sustain it.

You want Spurs to win the league and sustain it because it's good for the game? That's like saying Liverpool winning the Champions League is ideal because it's good for English football.

I don't understand people being so neutral about these things. I hope that Spurs' new stadium financially bankrupts them and that they lose every game they play this season, except against City/Arsenal/Liverpool/Chelsea.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

From the outside in, it just looks like a similar project with different expectations, based on nothing.

Believe me, if Spurs can win the league using their very unique approach then it's wonderful for the game, and hopefully they can sustain it. I just wonder, with all the variables, how positive this new stadium will be. The difference between the two clubs approach isn't as big as made out. Business first.

I see what ur saying, the one difference is Levy and Lewis are known Tottenham fans while Arsnal's board are foreign and clearly aren't associated with their team. Only time will tell.

 

[Lay]

41% don't think they'll finish top 4? Lol? I know everyone hates Glaston but come on. They still have Kane and Alli. They're better than Liverpool and Arsenal, comfortably.

Its probably the Wembley factor.

 

[GlastonSpur]

A businessman, someone that prioritise money over football. He's certainly someone who's improved the club financially but he's never seemed to support any Manager with any real conviction. Just look at their net spend over the last 5 years. It's absurd.

It's not absurd when we have a new stadium to pay for (and have had a new training centre to pay for prior to that). The new stadium is essential if we are to generate the money that will allow generous net spends and higher wages in the future. The only alternative would be to borrow even more money to fund a short-term spending spree on wages and new players, leading to much less money for these things down the road as greater amounts would have to be siphoned off to service this larger debt.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

You want Spurs to win the league and sustain it because it's good for the game? That's like saying Liverpool winning the Champions League is ideal because it's good for English football.

I don't understand people being so neutral about these things. I hope that Spurs' new stadium financially bankrupts them and that they lose every game they play this season, except against City/Arsenal/Liverpool/Chelsea.

Spurs aren't a scumbag team to us. They play likeable football, have an excellent manager and the only gripe with them is they are REALLY sore losers.

Obviously I'd rather UTD win everything but failing that, it would be nice to know that all the money didn't buy success and that there was another approach that just might make people think, before the game spirals out of control and players like Danny rose are earning 200 grand a week.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

@GlastonSpur what's the timeline for the stadium being paid off?

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Spurs aren't a scumbag team to us. They play likeable football, have an excellent manager and the only gripe with them is they are REALLY sore losers.

Obviously I'd rather UTD win everything but failing that, it would be nice to know that all the money didn't buy success and that there was another approach that just might make people think, before the game spirals out of control and players like Danny rose are earning 200 grand a week.

It's just the mindset of wanting other teams to be successful when that success has to come at a loss to us. Southampton run a decent ship, but if they were in and around the top four, I'd still want it to sink.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

It's just the mindset of wanting other teams to be successful when that success has to come at a loss to us. Southampton run a decent ship, but if they were in and around the top four, I'd still want it to sink.

I've definitely stopped caring as much since I moved away. If I was still back home I'd want spurs to fold and Glaston forced to choose us to support because every other team made it illegal.

 

[GlastonSpur]

You do understand how the concept of a squad works right? You do need players to replace the players that are injured. Trippier's injured right now so I assume you're going to play Dier there. Dembele's injury prone (you never look as good when he's out btw). Kane is irreplaceable whenever he gets injured. Eriksen and Alli haven't had bad injuries but if they did get one you would have massive problems. You have no fit rw who's good enough and you'll be starting with Sissoko for the first few games of the season. Davies is decent backup for Rose but if you were to sell Rose (which may or may not happen) you would have no natural backup at either lb or rb (doesn't seem to trust Carter-Vickers). Your first XI is great but that's not enough and if you don't sign someone you'll figure that out pretty quickly. It would be different if you weren't in Europe.

Who is even talking about not signing anyone? I'm not. The window has 3 more weeks to run in case you hadn't noticed.

Trippier will be out for a few games - that's hardly a big deal and Dier is perfectly fine as RB.

As for rest, it's the same squad - bar Walker - that finished in 2nd place last season, except that with a bit of luck we'll have (a) Lamela for most of it (unlike last season); and (b) more availability of Rose than last season. And the injury risks to Kane, or Dembele, or whoever, are the same as last season ... when both players were out for periods but we did just fine.

If Dembele is out then Winks will be in - and I'm fine with that. If Alli is out, then we'll reshuffle the front three behind Kane and Lamela will come in ... and again I'm fine with that. And if Kane is out then again we'll reshuffle and Son will take more a direct striker's role ... which worked well last season.

So if we didn't collapse last season, why, exactly, are we suddenly going to do that this season? All this 'what if player X and Y is injured' can be applied to all our rivals - and some of them would have more problems than Spurs in coping with it.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

I've definitely stopped caring as much since I moved away. If I was still back home I'd want spurs to fold and Glaston forced to choose us to support because every other team made it illegal.

Fair enough. That can happen, football isn't everything.

 

[GlastonSpur]

@GlastonSpur what's the timeline for the stadium being paid off?

I don't know. All I know - and this would seem to have at least some bearing on the timeline - is that in May the club announced:

"... the signing of a five-year bank financing arrangement which includes a £400m bank facility (the "Facility") to support the financing of the 61,500 seater multi-purpose new stadium, the Tottenham Experience and the largest retail store of any football club in Europe.

The Facility will replace a £200m interim financing (the "Interim Financing") that was put in place in December 2015, of which £100m has been drawn to date. The Interim Financing provided funding for the Club whilst relocation, planning and development conditions were completed, to ensure the project remained on schedule.

"The Club has expended over £340m on the acquisition of land, the planning process (including a compulsory purchase order and legal challenges) and build costs to date, which now sees the upper tiers of the North stand being fitted with terracing. This was financed with resources of the Club plus the £100m drawn under the Interim Financing.

.... The Facility has a term of five years, with no early repayment penalties or amortisation requirements and no material financial covenants until the stadium opens. The loan is secured against the new stadium and related commercial and match day revenues. There is no obligation to hedge under the Facility and the margin cost payable on the Facility ranges from Libor plus 3% -2.25% over the term."

http://m.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/...uncement-new-stadium-scheme-financing-310517/

 

[Deleted member 101472]

I don't know. All I know - and this would seem to have at least some bearing on the timeline - is that in May the club announced:

"... the signing of a five-year bank financing arrangement which includes a £400m bank facility (the "Facility") to support the financing of the 61,500 seater multi-purpose new stadium, the Tottenham Experience and the largest retail store of any football club in Europe.

The Facility will replace a £200m interim financing (the "Interim Financing") that was put in place in December 2015, of which £100m has been drawn to date. The Interim Financing provided funding for the Club whilst relocation, planning and development conditions were completed, to ensure the project remained on schedule.

"The Club has expended over £340m on the acquisition of land, the planning process (including a compulsory purchase order and legal challenges) and build costs to date, which now sees the upper tiers of the North stand being fitted with terracing. This was financed with resources of the Club plus the £100m drawn under the Interim Financing.

.... The Facility has a term of five years, with no early repayment penalties or amortisation requirements and no material financial covenants until the stadium opens. The loan is secured against the new stadium and related commercial and match day revenues. There is no obligation to hedge under the Facility and the margin cost payable on the Facility ranges from Libor plus 3% -2.25% over the term."

http://m.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/...uncement-new-stadium-scheme-financing-310517/

In essence, Tottenham have presented a repayment structure that the banks are more than satisfied with, so much so that they'll likely get significantly more leeway than your average borrower.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Who is even talking about not signing anyone? I'm not. The window has 3 more weeks to run in case you hadn't noticed.

Trippier will be out for a few games - that's hardly a big deal and Dier is perfectly fine as RB.

As for rest, it's the same squad - bar Walker - that finished in 2nd place last season, except that with a bit of luck we'll have (a) Lamela for most of it (unlike last season); and (b) more availability of Rose than last season. And the injury risks to Kane, or Dembele, or whoever, are the same as last season ... when both players were out for periods but we did just fine.

If Dembele is out then Winks will be in - and I'm fine with that. If Alli is out, then we'll reshuffle the front three behind Kane and Lamela will come in ... and again I'm fine with that. And if Kane is out then again we'll reshuffle and Son will take more a direct striker's role ... which worked well last season.

So if we didn't collapse last season, why, exactly, are we suddenly going to do that this season? All this 'what if player X and Y is injured' can be applied to all our rivals - and some of them would have more problems than Spurs in coping with it.

And massively weaken the starting XI. He's a luxury player, nowhere near Alli's output or effectiveness.

 

[Ramshock]

Spurs have the best starting XI in my opinion in the league but they have no depth at all. That coupled with growing player unrest and playing at Wembley makes me think they will struggle to maintain top 4 and do well in the CL,

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

In essence, Tottenham have presented a repayment structure that the banks are more than satisfied with, so much so that they'll likely get significantly more leeway than your average borrower.

He's a strange fish player wise, bought as a replacement for Bale but ending up more of William type player. Meaning he works his ass off, he is capable of great vision and the odd "luxury player" moment but his greatest attribute before his injury was his pressing and workrate. It's been quite a transition.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

He's a strange fish player wise, bought as a replacement for Bale but ending up more of William type player. Meaning he works his ass off, he is capable of great vision and the odd "luxury player" moment but his greatest attribute before his injury was his pressing and workrate. It's been quite a transition.

I always saw him as "looking" like he was working his butt off, running towards balls with no Intention of actually trying to win it. He seemed like a very easy player for a defender to take the ball beyond.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

I always saw him as "looking" like he was working his butt off, running towards balls with no Intention of actually trying to win it. He seemed like a very easy player for a defender to take the ball beyond.

Honestly I wouldn't really disagree. He has quality and clearly Poch wants to try and develop him but he's not exactly what we thought we were getting.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Honestly I wouldn't really disagree. He has quality and clearly Poch wants to try and develop him but he's not exactly what we thought we were getting.

At the time of his signing, he was one of the better players in series A and looked like he could play at Di Maria levels, and there are many similarities between them. The talent is there but the consistency is way off.He'll still always have scored the best goal in Europa league history though so there's that.

 

[roonster09]

So many players support Rose's view on underpaying players, well this could snowball. Wouldn't be surprised if more leaks happen this season about how there is discontent among the squad.

 

[goin4glory]

While it's fairly obvious most of their best players could be earning much more elsewhere it's there own fault for signing long term deals. Honestly Kane and Ali should both fire their agents for negotiating such terrible deals.

 

[The Purley King]

Did anyone else read about the "hero's welcome" Rose got in the dressing room after that interview?
If that is true then that is a serious issue in terms of morale. Last few years you'd have to say that Spurs probably had the best team spirit out of anyone and thats definitely worth a few points come the end of the season.
I know people will say "well they are still good players, they'll still put in 100% blah blah blah" but when people are unhappy due to one thing or another it will definitely have a negative effect.

 

[freshibal]

This could get messy.

 

[balaks]

Did anyone else read about the "hero's welcome" Rose got in the dressing room after that interview?
If that is true then that is a serious issue in terms of morale. Last few years you'd have to say that Spurs probably had the best team spirit out of anyone and thats definitely worth a few points come the end of the season.
I know people will say "well they are still good players, they'll still put in 100% blah blah blah" but when people are unhappy due to one thing or another it will definitely have a negative effect.

I've heard it was quite the opposite. Incidently - this second article is the one that in my view has 100% ended Rose's career at Spurs as it is clearly been fed by Rose's people (it's the same journalist that had the interview with him yesterday).

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Poch's press conference is at 1pm today, should be interesting to say the least.

Did anyone else read about the "hero's welcome" Rose got in the dressing room after that interview?
If that is true then that is a serious issue in terms of morale. Last few years you'd have to say that Spurs probably had the best team spirit out of anyone and thats definitely worth a few points come the end of the season.
I know people will say "well they are still good players, they'll still put in 100% blah blah blah" but when people are unhappy due to one thing or another it will definitely have a negative effect.

I think some players may be on Rose's side, but I'm pretty sure the likes of Kane, Dembele and Lloris wouldn't be impressed at all. We need our dealings done soon I'm still sure we will have 2-3 players in the door.

 

[Random Task]

Poch's press conference is at 1pm today, should be interesting to say the least.



I think some players may be on Rose's side, but I'm pretty sure the likes of Kane, Dembele and Lloris wouldn't be impressed at all. We need our dealings done soon I'm still sure we will have 2-3 players in the door.

2 or 3 players in less than a 3 week period? Optimistic to the least mate. With all the uncertainty at Spurs right now regarding player salaries, there won't be very many players ready and willing to sign for you. I know if I were signing for Spurs right now (don't get your hopes up you're just not that lucky) I would be requesting a release clause in my contract in case things take a turn for the worse. Problem with that is Levy doesn't grant release clauses.

 

[balaks]

2 or 3 players in less than a 3 week period? Optimistic to the least mate. With all the uncertainty at Spurs right now regarding player salaries, there won't be very many players ready and willing to sign for you. I know if I were signing for Spurs right now (don't get your hopes up you're just not that lucky) I would be requesting a release clause in my contract in case things take a turn for the worse. Problem with that is Levy doesn't grant release clauses.

Are you a right back? If so we are interested. We can pay you a tenner per game and free sandwiches at half time

 

[Random Task]

Are you a right back? If so we are interested. We can pay you a tenner per game and free sandwiches at half time

I'm a center back and a fecking terrible one at that. My sunday team won 1 game last season and that was due to the opposing team showing up with 9 men. Even that was a struggle!

 

[balaks]

I'm a center back and a fecking terrible one at that. My sunday team won 1 game last season and that was due to the opposing team showing up with 9 men. Even that was a struggle!

ok, still interested - Toby could leave which would make a spot for you. Will be in touch.

 

[Random Task]

ok, still interested - Toby could leave which would make a spot for you. Will be in touch.

For a tenner a week? You're joking. I'd wan't parity with the rest of the Spurs squad at the absolute minimum. So, yeah, 20 quid a week it is then!

 

[balaks]

For a tenner a week? You're joking. I'd wan't parity with the rest of the Spurs squad at the absolute minimum. So, yeah, 20 quid a week it is then!

per game! You are having a laugh, £10.10 Levy special.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

2 or 3 players in less than a 3 week period? Optimistic to the least mate. With all the uncertainty at Spurs right now regarding player salaries, there won't be very many players ready and willing to sign for you. I know if I were signing for Spurs right now (don't get your hopes up you're just not that lucky) I would be requesting a release clause in my contract in case things take a turn for the worse. Problem with that is Levy doesn't grant release clauses.

The thing is we pay a decent wage for younger players. It's the star wages we can't afford I don't think we should have a problem. Us leaving it late in the transfer window is nothing unusual. 2-3 will come in, if I'm wrong il hold my hands up.

 

[Random Task]

The thing is we pay a decent wage for younger players. It's the star wages we can't afford I don't think we should have a problem. Us leaving it late in the transfer window is nothing unusual. 2-3 will come in, if I'm wrong il hold my hands up.

3 players joining Spurs in the next few weeks is a massive stretch if you ask me, mate. Who would these 3 players be exactly? The only player I've seen Spurs show even the slightest interest in is Ross Barkely and even that deal seems to have gone quiet. Maybe Poch is working on the quiet, I don't know, but there is certainly no evidence to suggest 3 new players will be joining Spurs.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

3 players joining Spurs in the next few weeks is a massive stretch if you ask me, mate. Who would these 3 players be exactly? The only player I've seen Spurs show even the slightest interest in is Ross Barkely and even that deal seems to have gone quiet. Maybe Poch is working on the quiet, I don't know, but there is certainly no evidence to suggest 3 new players will be joining Spurs.

Poch said so himself, plus snippets of info from our side. It's all I'm going on. Names being talked about are obviously Ross, but also Josh King, Periera, Cancelo and Balde. Who knows really still believe it can be done. 3 weeks is a long time.

 

[K2K]

They are quite decent.

And have the advantage of stability.

Still my pick for 2nd yet again.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I think it depends on Europe. They don't have the squad to compete on both fronts. If they go out in the group's again they'll likely get top four easily enough.

 

[BluesJr]

Wish they'd go back to being the old Spurs, that was a lot more fun.

 

[JamesB__]

Wasn't all that impressed before the sending off, the starting XI looked fairly weak as well with the likes of Davies and Sissoko.

Impressed with Walker-Peters though.