Charlottesville

[entropy]

You know that tough guy from the Vice video - the one some in here were scared of....

‘I’m terrified’: Neo-Nazi blubbers like a baby in video reporting he’s wanted for arrest in Charlottesville

DAVID FERGUSON
16 AUG 2017 AT 12:28 ET

Christopher Cantwell discusses the warrant for his arrest (Screen capture)
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Neo-Nazi Christopher Cantwell — who was one of the “Unite the Right” Charlottesville marchers interviewed by Vice.com — released a weepy, rambling video of himself discussing the fact that a warrant was issued for his arrest.

“I called the Charlottesville Police Department,” Cantwell said, “and said, ‘I have been told there’s a warrant out for my arrest. They said they wouldn’t confirm it but that I could find this out I could go to a magistrate or whatever.”

“With everything that’s happening, I don’t think it’s very wise for me to go anywhere,” he continued. “There’s a state of emergency, the National Guard is here!”

He kept breaking off to wipe away tears, saying, “I don’t know what to do. I need guidance.”

“Our enemies will not stop, they’ve been threatening us all over the place,” he whined before freaking out that Chelsea Manning is threatening to “curb stomp” Nazis.

“We are trying to make this peaceful, we are trying to be law abiding,” he claimed, in spite of the fact that website the Daily Stormer called for Nazis to disrupt the funeral of Heather Heyer, 32, who was killed when a Nazi marcher plowed his car into a group of anti-racist protesters.

“I’m terrified,” he said to law enforcement officers in the clip. “I think you’re going to kill me.”

Cantwell was caught on video at the march saying that he’d brought a pistol with him and that he’s been going to the gym to make himself “more ready for violence.”

He went on a colorful rant about President Donald Trump, saying, “Somebody like Donald Trump, who does not give his daughter to a Jew, I don’t think you could feel the way I do about race, and watch that Kushner bastard walk around with that beautiful girl.”
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/im-...ing-hes-wanted-for-arrest-in-charlottesville/

@2cents look at this idiot now. Blubbering and crying. He was just playing it up for the camera.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Politics is not some sort of closed system that must be kept in equilibrium at all cost. If it were like that, there would be no progress. Violence that escalated that day was always present, as it is systemic. It's just that you aren't (or you perceive you aren't) on the wrong end of it, so it's irrelevant for you. Society is always in the state of conflict, what we can try is to make it more humane and decent. Civil rights activists were also widely perceived as troublemakers at the time, with exactly the same argument as yours.

Not really sure what you are on about. Is Nazism really that great a problem in America right now to be given equivalency to the civil rights movement?

 

[endless_wheelies]

I'm with Trump on this one.

As far as I know (correct me where I'm wrong) the original Charlottesville march was legally approved by the authorities and was supposed to be a peaceful demonstration, before a load of anti-protesters turned up and protested against the original protesters' right to free speech, in many videos blocking their path and causing physical confrontations.

There was then some idiot among the original protesters who went over the top and used his car as a weapon of mass-murder, but the original fault seems to lie with the antagonism by the anti-protesters.

 

[Raoul]

I'm with Trump on this one.

As far as I know (correct me where I'm wrong) the original Charlottesville march was legally approved by the authorities and was supposed to be a peaceful demonstration, before a load of anti-protesters turned up and protested against the original protesters' right to free speech, in many videos blocking their path and causing physical confrontations.

There was then some idiot among the original protesters who went over the top and used his car as a weapon of mass-murder, but the original fault seems to lie with the antagonism by the anti-protesters.

He is correct in all of that. The central issue is him attempting to draw moral equivalence between Fascism and those who reject it.

 

[RedTiger]

I'm with Trump on this one.

As far as I know (correct me where I'm wrong) the original Charlottesville march was legally approved by the authorities and was supposed to be a peaceful demonstration, before a load of anti-protesters turned up and protested against the original protesters' right to free speech, in many videos blocking their path and causing physical confrontations.

There was then some idiot among the original protesters who went over the top and used his car as a weapon of mass-murder, but the original fault seems to lie with the antagonism by the anti-protesters.

Not disputing the antagonists from the protesters but the counter protest was also legal.

http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395...ermits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right

 

[Silva]

I'm with Trump on this one.

As far as I know (correct me where I'm wrong) the original Charlottesville march was legally approved by the authorities and was supposed to be a peaceful demonstration, before a load of anti-protesters turned up and protested against the original protesters' right to free speech, in many videos blocking their path and causing physical confrontations.

There was then some idiot among the original protesters who went over the top and used his car as a weapon of mass-murder, but the original fault seems to lie with the antagonism by the anti-protesters.

Just a little tip to help you in the future, if you find yourself agreeing with Trump you're probably going to find out that you're full of shit.

 

[berbatrick]

I'm with Trump on this one.

As far as I know (correct me where I'm wrong) the original Charlottesville march was legally approved by the authorities and was supposed to be a peaceful demonstration, before a load of anti-protesters turned up and protested against the original protesters' right to free speech, in many videos blocking their path and causing physical confrontations.

There was then some idiot among the original protesters who went over the top and used his car as a weapon of mass-murder, but the original fault seems to lie with the antagonism by the anti-protesters.

The torch-carrying Nazis on Friday night surrounded the statue and maced and beat up the dozen or so students who were standing there. Next day, as pictures from this spread, locals and outsiders opposed to the Nazis gathered in Cville.
There were sporadic outbursts of violence from both sides on this, mostly macing, and including a black man beaten with pipes. AFAIK, he was beaten for being black. Ofcourse, there was also the girl killed, and ~4 others seriously wounded by the Nazi driving his car.
The Nazis on Friday and Saturday came well-armed. You can see the Vice documentary as one of them pulls out 4 guns from his person. There are pictures of right-wing militia in the street in uniform. Finally there is a statement from the Virginia governor that the police would have been out-gunned.

Even more than these facts, you have to remove all context and all history to believe what you do.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

You know that tough guy from the Vice video - the one some in here were scared of....

Call 911. Tell the Police where you are.

Done.

What a daft cnut.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

I'm still trying to figure out Trump's response to this. Absolutely shambolic.

 

[Manny]

So, 'snowflakes' eh?

 

[endless_wheelies]

He is correct in all of that. The central issue is him attempting to draw moral equivalence between Fascism and those who reject it.

Why does he keep getting asked to comment on it? One of his core beds of support is the hard right, the media are just spying an opportunity to back him between a rock and a hard place by taking sides. Ultimately there were two opposing groups that came together and produced violence, who or what they were is pretty irrelevant.

The torch-carrying Nazis on Friday night surrounded the statue and maced and beat up the dozen or so students who were standing there. Next day, as pictures from this spread, locals and outsiders opposed to the Nazis gathered in Cville.
There were sporadic outbursts of violence from both sides on this, mostly macing, and including a black man beaten with pipes. AFAIK, he was beaten for being black. Ofcourse, there was also the girl killed, and ~4 others seriously wounded by the Nazi driving his car.
The Nazis on Friday and Saturday came well-armed. You can see the Vice documentary as one of them pulls out 4 guns from his person. There are pictures of right-wing militia in the street in uniform. Finally there is a statement from the Virginia governor that the police would have been out-gunned.

Even more than these facts, you have to remove all context and all history to believe what you do.

Is the narrative from the left-wing media. Again, why were the Friday anti-protesters there and was it legal? Personally if I knew there were hundreds of nutjobs with torches and guns descending on one place I wouldn't go and stand in that exact place while loudly chanting my opposing views. My time is much better spent doing shuttle runs across the M5 wearing an anti-pollution t-shirt.

There was an episode on Ross Kemp a few years ago regarding racial tensions in America, and it was shown that carrying guns to protests is something the far-right always do because of the threat they feel every time they attend one, particularly as the show also featured multiple black power groups that were arming themselves to the teeth in preparation for what they think is an inevitable ultimate "race war". They're legally entitled to do it and it's not like they actually used them at Charlottesville.

Watching the below at 0.36 and seeing that the anti-protesters deliberately planned to end their march at Emancipation Park - the exact location of the end point for the original protesters' march - it's obvious the anti-protesters got exactly what they came for, and it wasn't legal or peaceful.

 

[Kentonio]

Maybe you should stop throwing false accusations around. Makes you look like a bit of a twat.

It was a bit twatty so sorry about that, but I'm trying to get you to see that the timing is fecking terrible. You and Soap are basically making the same argument that Trump is right now, which you might have noticed has made the media, both political parties and basically half the planet turn on him. I don't think you're supporting Nazis, but this false equivalence shit has no place in a week where some Nazis just murdered one person and beat a black guy bloody with metal poles.

 

[senorgregster]

I'm with Trump on this one.

As far as I know (correct me where I'm wrong) the original Charlottesville march was legally approved by the authorities and was supposed to be a peaceful demonstration, before a load of anti-protesters turned up and protested against the original protesters' right to free speech, in many videos blocking their path and causing physical confrontations.

There was then some idiot among the original protesters who went over the top and used his car as a weapon of mass-murder, but the original fault seems to lie with the antagonism by the anti-protesters.

Where would you draw the line on your agreement? Is Trump right that there are some very nice people mixing in with the white supremacists?

Blocking paths is done frequently and peacefully. If that causes violence we need to look at who initiated the violence not those who stood.

 

[berbatrick]

Ultimately there were two opposing groups that came together and produced violence, who or what they were is pretty irrelevant.

Think about that just for a second.

Again, why were the Friday anti-protesters there and was it legal?

There were anti-protesters because they don't like Nazis and racists. There were a dozen students; as far as I know standing under a statue isn't illegal. That's what they were doing. For that they were beaten up. It is fecking infuriating that this conduct is ignored when deciding if the fecking Swastika-carrying Nazis wanted a """"""peaceful demonstration.""""" Before a "crowd of counter-protesters turned up"

Personally if I knew there were hundreds of nutjobs with torches and guns descending on one place I wouldn't go and stand in that exact place while loudly chanting my opposing views. My time is much better spent doing shuttle runs across the M5 wearing an anti-pollution t-shirt.

Good for you, if only the pivotal moments of history were decided by people like you, who are proud to do nothing.*

* or people like me, who are too lazy to do anything.

There was an episode on Ross Kemp a few years ago regarding racial tensions in America, and it was shown that carrying guns to protests is something the far-right always do because of the threat they feel every time they attend one,

from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016 — there have been 85 attacks in the country by violent extremists resulting in 225 deaths. GAO reported citing data from the U.S. Extremist Crime Database.

Of those 225 deaths:

• 106 individuals were killed by far-right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents;

• 119 individuals were killed by radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents;

• The number of people killed in a given year ranged from one to 49.

So, not a single death from black power, anarchist, or any other group present in that city.
The claim that they feel threatened is about as credible as claiming the world was at risk from Saddam Hussain.

Watching the below at 0.36 and seeing that the anti-protesters deliberately planned to end their march at Emancipation Park - the exact location of the end point for the original protesters' march - it's obvious the anti-protesters got exactly what they came for, and it wasn't legal or peaceful.

What exactly did they come for? To cancel speeches by Nazis? Then sure, it isn't legal, and they got it. Did they come to get beat up or run over? I somehow doubt that.


Anyway, this article has been published since my post:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/16/charlottesville-violence-right-left-trump


Oh, and by the way

but the original fault seems to lie with the antagonism by the anti-protesters.

"The original fault" lies with Hitler-loving white supremacists who can't bear to see a symbol of their cruelty and dominance being democratically removed.

 

[Neutral]

Disclaimer: this looks like I'm glorying violence...I'm not.

Spoiler

maybe a little against white supremacists

So much conviction and belief

@Eboue

 

[Silva]

fecking pansy

 

[Synco]

That doesn't mean commiting crimes in the name of 'anti fascism' is right, it isn't and when you do so you lose your moral highground and worse legitimise those that you're protesting against.

This would only make sense if Nazi violence would be limited to brawls at demonstrations.

But since this isn't the case, it falls flat: How do illegal violent acts against Neo-Nazis legitimise racist and political murders and the intention of ethnic cleansing? Because that's what Nazis are about, not getting into fights with militant counter-protesters.

 

[Eboue]

Disclaimer: this looks like I'm glorying violence...I'm not.

Spoiler

maybe a little against white supremacists

So much conviction and belief

@Eboue

what a dbag

 

[Raoul]

 

[Neutral]

Why won't you agree with me about good nazis - Fox News edition

 

[Fener1907]

It was a bit twatty so sorry about that, but I'm trying to get you to see that the timing is fecking terrible. You and Soap are basically making the same argument that Trump is right now, which you might have noticed has made the media, both political parties and basically half the planet turn on him. I don't think you're supporting Nazis, but this false equivalence shit has no place in a week where some Nazis just murdered one person and beat a black guy bloody with metal poles.

No, we aren't. I made a specific point about how we came to be where we are today, not about what happened in Charlottesville itself. I can see how emotions are riding high over the topic and the initial point might be confused for something it wasn't, but no, nothing along the lines of what he said was ever argued.

He's a weak prick who all the dirty little Nazi scum have by the balls. That's shameful, something which anybody should condemn.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

He is correct in all of that. The central issue is him attempting to draw moral equivalence between Fascism and those who reject it.

Is he though? For me, there is nothing "peaceful" about carrying around a Swastika and/or invoking any form of Nazi-ism... its quite the opposite in fact.

 

[2mufc0]

US woman confronts her neighbour over Nazi flag

Page Blaswell couldn't believe her eyes when she drove past a home flying a Nazi flag in North Carolina. She decided to confront her neighbour and told the BBC about her experience.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

@endless_wheelies is a WUM from the Trump thread.

As stated only yesterday in this thread, the anti protesters DID have permission.

As for the Friday, only one side arrived in large numbers at night with torches shouting "Jews will not replace us" and it wasn't the small group of students on the grounds of their own university.

 

[Stactix]

Would those that think this Nazi rally was just an expression of free speech & that they were well within their rights, express the same liberty to an American ISIS rally, waving ISIS flags & chanting death to infidels?

Been stunned by the amount of whattaboutism & Nazi sympathising cnuts on social media. Coming out with things like if the Nazis can't have their rally then neither can BLM or any other leftist rally. Bit of a difference there.. one movement certainly doesn't have mass genocide as an 'achievement'

I think stopping Nazism from reaching the limelight is the best possible solution. Either that or showcasing them as the evil cnuts they are. The problem with Charlottesville is that they recieved worldwide coverage? How many new members do you reckon have joined their ranks, sharing a similar ideology but completely oblivious to this movement beforehand.

If this movement was behind closed doors, they'd not get as much scrutinty sure but they also wouldn't 'unite the right'.
That innocent women would also still be alive.
These people can't be reasoned with, they abused the victim, threatened the family, tried to put the blame on some random bloke & even a politician pushed that narrative ffs.
Pushed the self defence narrative too.
Weren't they also planning to disrupt the funeral?

Feck these Nazi cnuts.

Also what a fecking suprise.

 

[Barca84]

Weren't they also planning to disrupt the funeral?

Despicable if true but these are vile scum being engaged with here. Trump has opened a can of worms that will consume him.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Would those that think this Nazi rally was just an expression of free speech & that they were well within their rights, express the same liberty to an American ISIS rally, waving ISIS flags & chanting death to infidels?

Been stunned by the amount of whattaboutism & Nazi sympathising cnuts on social media. Coming out with things like if the Nazis can't have their rally then neither can BLM or any other leftist rally. Bit of a difference there.. one movement certainly doesn't have mass genocide as an 'achievement'

I think stopping Nazism from reaching the limelight is the best possible solution. Either that or showcasing them as the evil cnuts they are. The problem with Charlottesville is that they recieved worldwide coverage? How many new members do you reckon have joined their ranks, sharing a similar ideology but completely oblivious to this movement beforehand.

If this movement was behind closed doors, they'd not get as much scrutinty sure but they also wouldn't 'unite the right'.
That innocent women would also still be alive.
These people can't be reasoned with, they abused the victim, threatened the family, tried to put the blame on some random bloke & even a politician pushed that narrative ffs.
Pushed the self defence narrative too.
Weren't they also planning to disrupt the funeral?

Feck these Nazi cnuts.

I guess the counter-argument to that is whether or not you think it's ok to physically attack Islamic extremists when they fly ISIS flags in the Uk?

That photo was taken in Regent's Park.

I'm not sure forcing either movement to remain completely behind closed doors will have a good outcome.

My favourite way of dealing with a march like this was what they did in Germany.

 

[Stactix]

I guess the counter-argument to that is whether or not you think it's ok to physically attack Islamic extremists when they fly ISIS flags in the Uk?

That photo was taken in Regent's Park.

I'm not sure forcing either movement to remain completely behind closed doors will have a good outcome.

My favourite way of dealing with a march like this was what they did in Germany.

Oh that's brillant.
Would that be a crime though? Brandishing that flag in public? Personally, if it isn't it probably should be.
I'd be against any violence commited but I wouldn't feel a shred of sympathy for the victim.

 

[SteveJ]

I don't think they'd be quite so keen on disrupting the funeral if the deceased had been male.

 

[2mufc0]

Some things should be off limit imo esp the stuff that entices hatred and violence like Isis/Nazi flags.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Oh that's brillant.
Would that be a crime though? Brandishing that flag in public? Personally, if it isn't it probably should be.
I'd be against any violence commited but I wouldn't feel a shred of sympathy for the victim.

I honestly don't know whether it's crime or not. But I appreciate that they can only behave like that in an open and tolerant society; which allows them express unpopular views without fear of being being physically attacked. Which is, ironically, the sort of society they're trying to destroy.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Some things should be off limit imo esp the stuff that entices hatred and violence like Isis/Nazi flags.

Where do you draw the line, though? A lot of Jewish groups think people who wave Hezbollah flags are enticing hatred. I'm sure there are Northern Irish catholics who feel similarly about ostentatious displays of the Union Jack.

 

[Rams]

Why does he keep getting asked to comment on it? One of his core beds of support is the hard right, the media are just spying an opportunity to back him between a rock and a hard place by taking sides. Ultimately there were two opposing groups that came together and produced violence, who or what they were is pretty irrelevant.


Is the narrative from the left-wing media. Again, why were the Friday anti-protesters there and was it legal? Personally if I knew there were hundreds of nutjobs with torches and guns descending on one place I wouldn't go and stand in that exact place while loudly chanting my opposing views. My time is much better spent doing shuttle runs across the M5 wearing an anti-pollution t-shirt.

There was an episode on Ross Kemp a few years ago regarding racial tensions in America, and it was shown that carrying guns to protests is something the far-right always do because of the threat they feel every time they attend one, particularly as the show also featured multiple black power groups that were arming themselves to the teeth in preparation for what they think is an inevitable ultimate "race war". They're legally entitled to do it and it's not like they actually used them at Charlottesville.

Watching the below at 0.36 and seeing that the anti-protesters deliberately planned to end their march at Emancipation Park - the exact location of the end point for the original protesters' march - it's obvious the anti-protesters got exactly what they came for, and it wasn't legal or peaceful.

I really don't understand why some people on here are still trying to partly blame the violence on the anti-protestors, or criticizing the so called 'left wing' media's narrative....

1. I hope it's not only the 'left wing' media who are opposed racism, bigotry, intolerance, racial supremacy, etc, or we really are fecked as a society.

2. Millions and millions of people all over the World have suffered unimaginable atrocities throughout the history of mankind as result of so called racial supremacy. Racism without doubt is the biggest evil in the history of Mankind. So there can be no moral equability when it comes to far right vs any other political persuasion in any situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[villain]

US woman confronts her neighbour over Nazi flag

We need more of this tbh.
White people holding racist white people accountable for their racism.

 

[2mufc0]

Where do you draw the line, though? A lot of Jewish groups think people who wave Hezbollah flags are enticing hatred. I'm sure there are Northern Irish catholics who feel similarly about ostentatious displays of the Union Jack.

Guess the theory would be not to have a blanket rule and judge each case on its own merits, Nazism/Isis ideology clearly crosses the 'line' and it's up to the government to decide this.

 

[2mufc0]

We need more of this tbh.
White people holding racist white people accountable for their racism.

Good point. The most stupid thing about it was he didn't/couldn't even explain why he put the flag up and just ended up resorting to violent threats.

 

[Rob]

It really is incredible that there are people somehow trying to shift at least some of the blame on to the counter protesters, who actually do something and stand up to the fascist cnuts celebrating an ideology thats murdered millions and millions of people.
If we had similar demonstrations in Denmark I would absolutely join some kind of countermovement.

Oh, and that video of the crying white supremacist

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think you can question the tactics of the counter-protesters without questioning the legitimacy of their cause.

See video I posted above for a much more elegant way to deal with something like this...

 

[2cents]

Would those that think this Nazi rally was just an expression of free speech & that they were well within their rights, express the same liberty to an American ISIS rally, waving ISIS flags & chanting death to infidels?

The slight difference is that ISIS is a specific group, a designated terrorist organisation and declared enemy of the US and basically the whole world. So explicit support in favour of ISIS would be illegal in a way that support for the general aims and ideology of ISIS is not - which is why the al-Muhajirun organisation in the U.K. has been free to hold their demonstrations for years. The same would apply in this case - people are free to demonstrate support for the specific aims and general ideology of the far-right, but support for a specific proscribed organisation would be illegal.

 

[SteveJ]

The Tan in the High Castle