It clearly is. Like why isn't Neymar playing in the super duper PL instead ?
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Just watched the highlights. He's just taking the piss on all their defenders. This is one player I would not have minded spending 200m on. Such an awesome flair player!
I don't think it's bitterness, but like the elite players on Bayern, their legacies are heavily shaped by the World Cup and Champions League due to being on a team that is significantly stronger than their rivals and should win the title 4 out of every 5 seasons. The Italian league is starting to look that way with how Juve is currently buying up top players from rivals but hasn't been that way historically due to the Milan teams being quality challengers.
Simply put, PSG doesn't really have teams that can compete with them. Even during most of United's reign as the dominate team in the PL, we had strong challengers particularly Arsenal from 1996-2004 and Chelsea from 2006-2010 and City's emergence. Since 2013 the league has been fairly wide open. PSG is so far ahead of their realistic challengers most years, that Neymar's legacy will be defined by the World Cup and Champions League. That is true for all players, but even more so for players that play on powerhouses in a one-team league. I know Monaco just won the league, but PSG is the powerhouse of that League winning 5 of the last 7 titles, and finishing as a runner-up the other 2.
Not really. The French League is a big step down from the Spanish league so what he dos over there will be viewed with less awe, unless PSG can actually do decent in Europe for a change and get past the quarters. It would also need other French clubs to perform well in Europe too to prove some depth, although they have already lost a team.
Going by UEFA coefficients France was the 5th best league last year, granted that places 2-5 were quite close but none were close to the Spanish League. The Ballon D'Or winner has come from Spain since 2008 when Ronaldo won it with United and Spanish teams have dominated the CL and EL recently. When was the last time a French club even won a European trophy?
I don't see how you can argue that he isn't making a big step down in terms of league. By the best measure we have the French league is the 5th best in Europe and he has left comfortably the best.
As has been mentioned, to win the Ballon D'Or he would need to win the CL with PSG or the World Cup, or have immense performances in the very later stages of both.
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I said that he is never ever worth 200 Mio but I have to admit he Looks really great so far. It is obvious that he is just too good for 90 % of the defenders in Ligue 1.
Anyhow he has not been bought to win the league. Paris could have also gone for Rooney instead and would still walk the league.
He has been brought in to win the CL. Only if he manages to win it with Paris he will be seen as a complete success at the end.
Anyhow he has not been bought to win the league. Paris could have also gone for Rooney instead and would still walk the league.
He has been brought in to win the CL. Only if he manages to win it with Paris he will be seen as a complete success at the end.
PSG did to Barcelona what Barcelona does to other teams.....karma's a bitch
I don't care what PSG does or did to Barcelona as I don't give a feck about Barcelona.
But I do care what PSG is and represents and that is the downfall off football. A richmans play thing that has proven nothing as a club but gets to sign the best players because a fecking country finances their £200m transfer of Neymar and soon their £200m of Mbappe. There are entire football competitions whose budget and tv-money isn't even worth £400m but PSG spends it on 2 players. They have done nothing to earn that money, not in any business or commercial sense and not in any football sense either. They have proven nothing in europe, they don't have their own grown youth players, they have contributed nothing to modern football in any sort of way (something which Barcelona for example has) but they get to throw money at everything like a bunch of clueless idiots because they were lucky enough to be taken over by Qatar. It is fecking ridiculous and it ruins the idea of sport alltogether.
As far as I'am concerned everything and everyone that has anything to do with such a vile club can go feck themselves.
He's comfortably worth £200m if Coutinho and Dembele are worth £120m and Sigurdsson goes for £45m.
And Mourinho was right when he said Pogba will look like a bargain. I did not expect his words to be proven true that fast.
Yeah I'm with @Classical Mechanic on this. I don't really see why anyone would be "bitter" about this (he never played for us or a rival, has left for a club we would only potentially face in Europe), I think a lot of people are just genuinely disappointed about the step down he's taken.
Yep. This Summer we would be priced out of Pogba transfer. £120m easily and I doubt we'd pay that.
I don't see how you think I'm even arguing this.
I don't think it is. He's playing for a financially doped super team in a league not considered to be one of the traditional top leagues in Europe.
It's a league where the 2nd top goalscorer of 16/17 has left for Arsenal, at an age where he's reaching his prime. A league where Falcao and Gomis scored 21 and 20 goals last season. Remember Florian Thauvin, who signed for Newcastle shortly before being relegated? He scored 15 goals.
People can dress it up all they want. He's gone to an inferior league.
Who even denied it ffs ?
It's the same in every league. At the moment no EPL team is really competitive in the CL so it gets very complicated to win the Ballon d'Or or even to make the FIFA XI while playing in England. If the performances of the Spanish teams start to drop in Europe they will have a hard time getting honours too.
It's 95% of the time the players who win the biggest international trophies who collect the individual awards.
There are people implying he'd piss on any league and how displays like the one against Toulouse is just because of how good he is. But you'll see those displays more in Ligue 1 than in other leagues because of how much better PSG are compared to the rest.
He's scored his fair share of ridiculous goals in Spain too, I mean the french league is defo weaker than Spain's but Neymar is one of the best players in the world. Whether he'd currently play in Italy, England, Spain or England, if he's given the keys of the team, he will shine and humiliate teams over and over.
It was preseason alright but didn't you see what he did to Juventus a few weeks ago ?
There's still people who think he isn't that good and is over rated. I remember when he first moved to Barca the same things were said.
PSG are definitely several level above the rest of the league when they play at their best level but that's also true in CL, only the very best teams can disturb them. Neymar joined a team that was perfectly fine without him and he has been given the keys, so we can expect to see Brazil's Neymar on a weekly basis.
That first goal he scored was brilliant. The way he passes the ball and continues his run to score the goal while the defenders are just waiting around. That kind of anticipation is what makes his great.
Barcelona to sue Neymar for €8.5m for breaching contract
http://www.eurosport.com/football/l...for-breaching-contract_sto6297128/story.shtml
http://www.eurosport.com/football/l...for-breaching-contract_sto6297128/story.shtml
How is it breach of contract if PSG paid the release clause?
It's to do with the loyalty bonus. Sounds similar to the Tony Pulis dispute he had with Crystal Palace, where he was ordered to pay back a few million.
But arent loyalty bonuses paid out only if you see through the contract?
Which was fair enough because he was coming from a weaker league and a lot of talented Brazilians aren't able to make the step up. He has in admirable fashion.
Neymar will probably argue that it's not his fault someone met his release clause, he didn't hand in a transfer request or anything so he still deserves the loyalty bonus that way. I guess it'll depend on how his contract with Barcelona was structured, and interpretation of the loyalty bonus clause. Barca are really acting butthurt over his departure.
Edit: it's about an already paid bonus payment when he renewed in October '16 apparently, as said in the other thread about this subject.
Look at that skill!
I don't remember the name,but there was a mexican striker who did this a couple of time in the worldcup.. Though he didn't flick it that high.. I remember the commentator saying that he would do that move regularly..
It all just seems so anti climatic. Guy has been hyped up since he was a teen. He joined what was at the time arguably the best club in the world, playing alongside the best player ever. With Messi's time coming to a close, Neymar moves to an inferior league in an overstacked team, way before we could see how he'd actually do being the mainstay of a top European side.
In a way, it's a great move by him. He'll be able to pull off tricks galore and score ridiculous goals in France, needing only to turn up for CL games and 3-4 more World Cups. All while being paid truckloads of money.
Wish we could have him, but i take very good comfort that we have Paul Pogba
Most importantly for him he gets paid. PSG has won the league 4 of the past 5 seasons and adding Neymar should only cement another bevy of trophies. Everything will depend on how PSG does in the Champions League. He wasn't brought in to dribble fiendishly or thrash Nice, he was brought in to win the UCL. I don't give a damn how he performs or how many goals he scores, it means nothing if they can't surpass the Spanish giants. In my mind his legacy is still far from being an all-time great - give me European glory or shut up.
Far? I'd say close
Despite a disappointing last season, 105 goals in 186 games for Barcelona.
Best scorers in the history of the Selecao:
1. Pelé: 77 goals
2. Ronaldo: 62 goals
3. Romario: 55 goals
4. Neymar: 52 goals in 77 games with Brazil and he's just 25
Best scorers in the last 4 seasons in Champions League
1. Cr7 55 goals
2.Messi 35 goals
3. Lewa 29 goals
4. Muller 23 goals
5. Neymar 21 goals
6. Cavani 20 goals
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I do question if they had actually seen him play at the time though. He wasn't the same as the others.
I respectfully disagree.
A great 4-5 years sure, but by that logic do you also claim Lewandowski or Muller are all-time greats?
How about this, if Neymar has a career-ending injury tomorrow, would you still think him to be a legend?
This is his chance to outshine Messi, to bring HIS squad to European glory.
Lastly, I watch the Seleção a lot, as you can see by my name. He's great for them at times, other times he disappears. His goal record is superb, but anyone watching him routinely knows he cannot be counted on to win matches in the same way as Messi or Ronaldo. There's an inconsistency at times. A general malaise, especially if he's not on the pitch with another world class player.
He will do good in any league I reckon, the thing about PSG is not only about them being so much better than the rest of the teams but the team playing for him, that wasn't the case in Barcelona so even if his team doesn't win the UCL I would expect him to put very good performances in both the league and UCL.
Wasn't it the clausule his father was also moaning about? He wanted a loyalty bonus they accorded when Neymar signed the newest contract and if it wasn't for that new contract Neymar would have fecked up to PSG earlier and for much less money.
Wasn't it the clausule his father was also moaning about? He wanted a loyalty bonus they accorded when Neymar signed the newest contract and if it wasn't for that new contract Neymar would have fecked up to PSG earlier and for much less money.
Lewandowski is a CF. Thomas Muller has never been in a position to win the Ballon d'or contrary to a German player like Rummenige
You say he is "far from being a legend". He is 25.
- Impressive stats. He might become the top #1 scorer in the history of the Brazilian team by the end of his career. And he isn't a CF
- Leadership: he has lifted Brazil at the WC 2014 despite the high pressure
- After Cristiano (32 years old) & Messi (30 years), I deeply believe it would be his turn to win the Ballon d'or
- He disappears with Brazil? Same could be said about Messi and Cr7
- You say he needs a world class player to shine. Very odd opinion.It's like to say Messi isn't a legend because he didn't win trophies with Argentina.
Of course, you have a better knowledge of the Brazilian football but I also respectfully disagree with you here.
Let's discuss it in 2025.
I cannot disagree with the whole idea of your post. I truly despise PSG but part of me is happy that a talent like that is in France. More people will watch their matches and it will give opportunities for their opponents ( as long as they keep a minimum of self respect and turn into pussies) to show themselves.
Lewandowski is a CF. Thomas Muller has never been in a position to win the Ballon d'or contrary to a German player like Rummenige
You say he is "far from being a legend". He is 25.
- Impressive stats. He might become the top #1 scorer in the history of the Brazilian team by the end of his career. And he isn't a CF
- Leadership: he has lifted Brazil at the WC 2014 despite the high pressure
- After Cristiano (32 years old) & Messi (30 years), I deeply believe it would be his turn to win the Ballon d'or
- He disappears with Brazil? Same could be said about Messi and Cr7
- You say he needs a world class player to shine. Very odd opinion.It's like to say Messi isn't a legend because he didn't win trophies with Argentina.
Of course, you have a better knowledge of the Brazilian football but I also respectfully disagree with you here.
Let's discuss it in 2025.
Sure, let's put it on the calendar
I was merely mentioning Lewandowski and Muller because they were also on that list of top goal scorers.
It isn't so much as him needing a world class player to shine, it's more about him always having a great squad around him. Even back at Santos he had Ganso at his side, he was very talented and regarded as a transfer target of many quality teams. I like watching Neymar play, and if it wasn't for his blatant diving I'd consider him to be one of my favorites. That said, I do believe he has the talent to win the Ballon d'or and the UCL, but it will be about him actually performing in the moment and his focus. The tools are all there.
Neymar's goalscoring record for brazil is heavily inflated by the ridiculous amount of friendlies against shite opposition
That said, he's a truly special talent, and i expect him to reach the same heights as ronaldinho at the very least
That said, he's a truly special talent, and i expect him to reach the same heights as ronaldinho at the very least
Neymar just tweeted this. Proper trolling Barcelona now.