The moment I realised Wenger had lost it was when he bought Silvestre off us. All been downhill since then.
Arsenal are a shambles
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Any reliable sources on the Sanchez rumour?
We cannot let him go to City. Especially when we're crying out for a player exactly like him.
He signs to us, we're clear title favorites.
We cannot let him go to City. Especially when we're crying out for a player exactly like him.
He signs to us, we're clear title favorites.
This. He would be a more than welcome addition to the United squad.
Where is this from?
How would Ozil feel if he sees his best buddy Alexis leaves and he's still stuck at the Emirates for another year with Wenger?
This is actually a really cool graph:
He could do a pretty decent disappearing act I'm sure, he's well experienced at those!
They really are. There is no chance they getting into the top 4 this year as well. City, United, Chelsea and Pool are my choices.
Are they buying anyone at all? Can't just be selling..
Weird how he played the Ox guy when he must of known he was leaving anyway. It was so clear that Ox wasn't interested yesterday, why on earth start him?
So bloody weird.
Weird how he played the Ox guy when he must of known he was leaving anyway. It was so clear that Ox wasn't interested yesterday, why on earth start him?
So bloody weird.
Literally watching Arsenal fall apart as we speak.
Alexis next, Ozil at the end of the year and boom goes the dynamite!
Alexis next, Ozil at the end of the year and boom goes the dynamite!
How is Welbeck doing with the the extra playing time that he has been getting which he was not getting at United.
North London is really shit this season
Savage
True though, we've all imploded at one point or another (we're not where we were, Chelsea tend to meltdown towards the end of a squad cycle for a season or so, City haven't dominated in the way they ought to have on paper etc.) but with Arsenal it feels longer term, like their day has passed for a bit.
In fairness, they've still won cups, their shite period is better than most clubs' best, but with the money us you and City have, unless any of us are going below par, they're battling for a top four spot with Pool and Spurs, who looks miles ahead at the moment. The financial stuff doesn't excuse some of the coaching deficiencies that seem to be there though, or the lack of spine that's been a problem for for years.
Apparently, we are trying to swap Sanchez and Sterling. Think the latter has looked good for City.
Their start this season is not what you would expect from a team freshly inspired by their manager's decision to stay. They looked almost resigned to yet another season of under-achievement and mediocrity.
Wenger should have gone. I don't really understand what convinced him that staying this season would somehow yield a different Arsenal, than the one we saw last year.
Arsenal's bosses saw the word 'sterling' and got excited.
You have to question how the players must be feeling seeing Arsenal bend over to City and selling them their best player. Right after a 4-0 thumping. Can Wenger even motivate them? Its' absolutely criminal that he's staying on after overseeing such debacles.
I am not even an Arsenal fan and I am angry this is happening, ffs.
I am not even an Arsenal fan and I am angry this is happening, ffs.
I just can't get my head around why he is still at the club. It is so strikingly obvious that they cannot progress whilst he is there. Times up. He could probably walk in to kroenkes office and slap him with a fish and keep his job.
Wenger is trying to sabotage Arsenal while also trying to spite José and United. He wants to empower our rivals because he hates José and he's probably still bitter over VP.
Not too sure if this has already been posted but the link below shows a pretty good tactical analysis of Arsenal's problems on Sunday
I'm pretty sure this can't be right, in modern football you have to pass at least 30 times before you're allowed to progress up the pitch.
The atmosphere and environment around the club, team and fans is toxic. Every bad performance or defeat would further exacerbate that environment. The common denominator is Wenger and he knows it; the players know it as well and it's time he step down. Unfortunately they aren't running Arsenal like a football club and it's all about the profit and the numbers and Wenger is perfect for that. What the board doesn't want as well is for another manager to come in and expose their (the board) utter failings in the transfer market and their true goal in running Arsenal FC. I feel sorry for the fans...they don't deserve this.
We all know what you and others have said for some 5 or more years now, that Venger and the owners have been leading the supporters a merry dance. They have been implicit in selling fans short of any hope whilst feathering their own nests. I said to my Arsenal supporting friend who travels to most of their games at great expense that fans should stop going to matches until the owners sort their ambitions out and get shot of Venger. It's an absolute disgrace that such a great club has come to this. The only good thing about all of the recent dissent is perhaps Arsenal can now sort themselves out. One could suggest the current owners sell up and Vengar needs his marching orders , like pronto.
If I had to name elements that distinguish this from a typical Arsenal season, I'd really struggle, yet everyone is acting like it's Nero fiddling.
Well, I suppose I have answered myself. That's the one difference. The amount of hysteria and entitlement has reached critical mass, among Arses and assenting voices.
Well, I suppose I have answered myself. That's the one difference. The amount of hysteria and entitlement has reached critical mass, among Arses and assenting voices.
Good post that sums up the situation well.
Giving Wenger the new contract will prove to be the worst decision the club has ever made, even worse than United hiring Moyes. Even if Wenger leaves before the contract is done, he will leave a barren roster, a club without any directors to provide a footballing vision for how to rebuild, and a cheapskate owner who won't provide the funds. We are going to spend years and years in the wilderness and the only way that changes is if Usmanov buys the club, puts in a new leadership structure, and invests big in a new project.
Penny pinching over the years has just finally caught up and now they are buggered, as whatever faith players had 5/6/7 years ago has been completely lost in Wenger.
It wasn't just the transfer fees and refusal to get new players, it was also their reluctance to break the wage structure which saw them lose key players as well (unfortunately you have to pay if you want em to stay, United eventually caved in on that front, with City and Chelsea's rise)
It wasn't just the transfer fees and refusal to get new players, it was also their reluctance to break the wage structure which saw them lose key players as well (unfortunately you have to pay if you want em to stay, United eventually caved in on that front, with City and Chelsea's rise)
This has the feeling of Rodgers last season at Liverpool.
Everyone and their dog knew that their fans were fed up when he got hit for 6 at Stoke, but Liverpool refused to pull the trigger over the Summer.
They then started the season with a man that the crowd would turn against at the first sign of crisis. The environment at Arsenal has never been this toxic before. The fact that this could turn out like any other Arsenal season is why people are fed up.
They are tired of groundhog day.
That's the best we can hope with Wenger in charge
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I'd have much more sympathy if the argument was framed in this way, but it's not. They are all acting like it's not Groundhog day, but the last days of Rome. "There's a fire sale happening", and selling Oxlade fecking Chamberlain is a disastrous omen, rather than a joyous occasion it really aught to be. Everything is coated in dysphemism and hyperbole. It's just a really annoying spectacle at the moment.
I fully expect them to go back to rationalising their situation as soon as the transfer window shuts though, and the team starts picking their customary points against minnows.
You cannot expect rational behaviour from irrational people.
The groundhog day does that you. They have been tortured souls since that embarrassing day against Birmingham. That was 6 years ago and they have been suffering since. It's boiling over.
Arsenal fans are a ranty old bunch aren't they. Watched a few on YouTube today, and now oodles more have popped up in my recommendations.
Gotta be the angriest set of supporters in England surely? I don't remember United fans being so shouty when Moyes was being a genius, or Chelsea when they were stinking, or Liverpool when they had the Owl. Gooners take one whooping and they're bursting blood vessels on 25 minute selfie rants
Gotta be the angriest set of supporters in England surely? I don't remember United fans being so shouty when Moyes was being a genius, or Chelsea when they were stinking, or Liverpool when they had the Owl. Gooners take one whooping and they're bursting blood vessels on 25 minute selfie rants
To be fair - they ve now had years and years worth of frustration boiling below the surface.Arsenal fans are a ranty old bunch aren't they. Watched a few on YouTube today, and now oodles more have popped up in my recommendations.
Gotta be the angriest set of supporters in England surely? I don't remember United fans being so shouty when Moyes was being a genius, or Chelsea when they were stinking, or Liverpool when they had the Owl. Gooners take one whooping and they're bursting blood vessels on 25 minute selfie rants
I'm a pool fan, I've had decades. Still wouldn't catch me on the tube of you ranting and raving. I'm sure they're all trying to outdo one another with absolute rage. They've seen that Troopz/Claude/Dt lot get a bit of coinage from it and jumped on the bandwagon.
They remind me of that sketch in the fast show next to the Thames where two Mockneys just fire Cockneyisms at each other and fight. You mug, you slaaaaaag.
It's amusing to watch though I must admit. I haven't been as angry as them lot since they took Lucky charms off the shelves at Asda.
Think about it from a psychological standpoint. You beat leicester but conceded 3 (if I recall correctly), then you lose to stoke, then you get smashed by Liverpool. Now you have Bournemouth and you think "Back to winning ways". But... then... after this... it's Chelsea now.
Watch them turn around and batter Chelsea again. That'd be typical Arsenal