Arsenal are a shambles

Still don't think Arsenal will be terrible this season. This thread literally gets made every year and they've won 3 trophies in the last 4 years, and until last season, finished in the top 4.

But I recanted the last post you quoted :p
Oh right, fair enough. Didn't bother reading the rest of the thread :lol:
 
It's very funny IMO. I think that Stoke defeat was only the beginning. Now if they even draw against Bournemouth it will be a cataclysmic disaster. What I mean is they are leaking goals like heck.
 
Damning:

Football365 said:
Losers:
Arsene Wenger


The performance
The temptation is to become accustomed to such shambolic big-game performances from Arsenal, and therefore less angry. Predictability is not something that typically provokes the strongest emotions.

Yet it is exactly this repetition that is most galling. Almost six years to the day of their 8-2 humbling at Old Trafford, Arsenal were just as rotten in a 4-0 defeat at Anfield. Nothing has changed and nothing will change, because nothing ever changes. Martin Keown called it “crisis” and Thierry Henry called in “unwatchable”; even Wenger’s disciples are sick of the dirge.

The same defensive incompetence was on show, as were the same weak-willed midfield displays and the same attack that barely even got a chance to make its mark and failed to impress in the brief moments of promise that did come its way. This was a greatest hits of Arsenal’s problems of the last six years in one 90-minute horror film. That it comes so soon after Wenger preached the benefits of continuity and his new contract should be embarrassing for all involved.

Arsenal’s away league record against Tottenham, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City and Manchester United over the last five years reads as follows: Played 24, Won 2, Drawn 6, Lost 16. Neither of those two wins have come in the last two-and-a-half years, and Arsenal have conceded three or more goals in half of their last ten away games against those five opponents. A wretched record gets worse, not better.

The team selection
After the defeat at Stoke nine days ago, Wenger spoke of a defensive incompetence that allowed the home side to score their winner. Virtually every Arsenal supporter pointed out that a system in which a right wing-back was at left wing-back, a midfielder was at right wing-back and two left-backs were in central defence might have contributed to that.

One of Wenger’s two defensive changes from that Stoke selection was to change the only natural central defender – and therefore only player in their natural position – for another. Shkodran Mustafi dropped out for Rob Holding, who was picked in exactly the same role that had caused him such trouble against Leicester City. Funnily enough, the same problems remained.

One of the most pleasing aspects of Antonio Conte’s management at Chelsea is a flexibility in shape and style to match his opponents. That is not an admission of weakness but demonstration of strength, an acceptance that different plans will work for different tests. Wenger is the opposite.

To take a side to Anfield and set up with two wing-backs who are invited to push forward, thus leaving Mane, Mohamed Salah and Roberto Firmino one-one-one with their opposite numbers, was suicide. Mane and Salah revelled in the wide spaces, dragging Nacho Monreal and Holding into places they didn’t want to be. Again, embarrassing.

Don’t forget the attacking selection too. Wenger actually decided to leave his new striker and record purchase on the bench for his team’s toughest assignment of the season so far. It’s as if Lacazette is not yet browbeaten enough to fit in at Arsenal, and so must have his belief punctured. Which brings us to…

The leavers
It’s one thing talking up the benefits of players wanting to leave the club and thus having a final season to push on and impress new suitors, but it is just another example of Wenger’s ‘head in the clouds’ mentality. The alternative take is that having key individuals wanting out causes a general de-motivation among other players in the squad.

Liverpool have chosen to omit their wantaway player despite insisting he will stay for the general happiness of the whole, and it showed. Wenger picked two key players (Alexis Sanchez and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain) who may still leave and another (Mesut Ozil) who quite obviously wants to but hasn’t attracted the offers he would like, and that showed too.

The selection of Oxlade-Chamberlain is most extraordinary, his selection causing the entire defence to be imbalanced for the sake of persuading a squad player not to join a rival. Instead, Arsene, why not ask why these players want to leave at all? Which segues nicely into…

The coaching
On commentary, an apoplectic Gary Neville remarked that Arsenal should “stick them all up on the transfer list. There aren’t many of them that would get a better club than where they are at.”

Neville’s anger was appropriate, but he is overlooking the impact of the coaching at Arsenal. These are not bad players, but good players being coached appallingly. That is the only explanation for a succession of teams who have failed to perform at a level greater than the sum of their parts. After Wenger signed his own two-year contract, he gave out similar deals to his coaching staff. For all the talk of changes in process at the club and the arrival of a director of football, the only real change was the arrival of Jens Lehmann.

The same is true of Neville’s other bugbear: the lack of obvious fight from Arsenal’s players. This is not fight as a synonym for aggression, but the determination to improve as players, and is where Arsenal are most lacking. Ozil and Petr Cech may have posted defiant social media messages after the match, but that is a show of PR, not fortitude.

Yet again, this is a top-down problem. How can you expect players to pull together in times of crisis when their manager is rewarded for stagnancy? How can you expect players to be highly motivated when their club preaches the message that treading water is acceptable? This is the direct result of having players who don’t want to be there managed by a coach who shouldn’t be. Which takes us, finally, to…



Arsenal’s hierarchy
They allowed this. They facilitated this decline. They invited this – and other – sh*tshows upon themselves. A club can only move forward if it is given a stable platform for progress. Arsenal’s hierarchy confused misplaced loyalty for that stable platform.

They rewarded failure, or worse still allowed a manager to reward himself for failure. They fed lines to the media about transfer budgets and warchests in a bid to shift season tickets, safe in the knowledge that it would never happen. They sat back when only one or two players were brought in and suddenly the benefits of “cohesion” were pledged. They allowed one man to be virtually omnipotent, and thus ensured that the entire club would be a mirror image of that man, for better and now for much worse.

Wenger is a huge part of the problem, but his addiction to the club stops him walking away. This is on those who allowed the situation to fester and thus rot. If everyone else could see it coming, so should they.
 
Typical Wenger really.

Unless the player scores a hatrick every match, they won't get a look in.

Unless they are one of his pets, at which point they can just serve up shit week in week out and still get picked.

Like a Welbeck, for his........intelligent runs, because, you know, he's a smart player, or so goes the running theory.
 
#ShamblesIn
 
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Some of their players took to social media to mock us during the Moyes era or was that just that guy Frimpong?
 
Arsenal's fecking pride is coming back to haunt them. They are still butt hurt about RvP joining United and winning a title and this has come into their thinking this summer. They should have gotten over that and sold Sanchez and Ozil, plus any uncommitted players this summer and brought in replacements. If Sanchez and Ozil don't sign a new contract, how long can you continue playing them. If they sign pre-contracts with another team in January, do you still continue playing them? They looked like an absolutely fecked team against Liverpool.
 
Why on earth they haven't invested in a new central defender is puzzling. Poor Holding, clearly out of his depth at this level.
 
‘When you are at one club for 20 years it is impossible to have success every single year. Even Sir Alex will tell you that. The truth is that I hope Wenger keeps his job at Arsenal. I really do,’ said Mourinho.

We know how much Mourinho disliked the voyeur. Of course he wants him to stay as long as possible. It is one less competition for top spot. LOL.

This has been coming since 12 years ago. Arsenal has been on a decline since. Excuses after excuses. It is amazing some people still buy them. "Squad is too big" being the latest. This guy has completely lost it!

Wenger IN!
 
Relegation fodder. There's not a single good thing about their club from top to bottom. Just one toxic place. The whole league will smell blood and tear them apart. Wenger to be sacked within a few months and if they don't they really might go down. It will be years before they finish above us again. Wenger has totally lost the plot and is too stubborn to admit it. Their fans need to stop their Wenger out campaigns with their banners and just stop attending, only mass stay aways will affect the bottom line enough for a change at the top to take place.
 
The Ox is out, wow. The unbelievable destruction of Arsenal is what we are witnessing here folks. Tune in next time for the live coverage of the meltdown only to be seen here on RedCafe. Have a great day and always remember, Wenger In.
 
Things are getting from bad to worse at Arsenal. Liverpool have a made a bid to Lemar which will probably be accepted and now Oxlade-Chamberlain is leaving for Chelsea. Sanchez and Ozil's futures are unclear and there is speculation Mustafi will leave as well. I honestly don't know what's happening over there but it's clear that Wenger should have left after winning the FA cup.
 
Relegation fodder. There's not a single good thing about their club from top to bottom. Just one toxic place. The whole league will smell blood and tear them apart. Wenger to be sacked within a few months and if they don't they really might go down. It will be years before they finish above us again. Wenger has totally lost the plot and is too stubborn to admit it. Their fans need to stop their Wenger out campaigns with their banners and just stop attending, only mass stay aways will affect the bottom line enough for a change at the top to take place.

Yeah calm down mate
 
Might improve after window closes when players know they can't leave and might as well play, esp Alexis who is 29

Maybe and I'm sure Sanchez will go on to have a good season. But it must be such a strange setup in the squad right now when it is so obvious to everyone how many of their best players want out.
 
Kolasinac on the bench so a player that was leaving the day after could play. :wenger:

Get smashed and the next day do a deal to sell a player to a rival London club. :wenger:
 
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Why are they letting more players go to rivals? Madness, especially after how much they did to keep the ox happy. Shambles of a club.
 
Why are they letting more players go to rivals? Madness, especially after how much they did to keep the ox happy. Shambles of a club.
I feel with the money now in the league we'll be seeing this a lot more. In the past players have played for all the big teams in Italy.
 
Was/is Joel Campbell any worse than most of the rubbish they're current serving up?
Did that Perez lad really get a fair crack? He looked productive whenever he played for Arsenal. Never seemed to get a decent run of games. He'd score a brace and then get dropped immediately.

@Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 ?
Perez was good in the few games he played last season. His link-up play is great. Don't get why he got dropped.
 
The Ox transfer just makes Wenger look like a fool. He bent over backwards to accommodate him in the side. Played him in all three games at right wing back and moved his best right back to left wing back.

Then the player leaves anyway.
 
Kolasinac on the bench so a player that was leaving the day after could play. :wenger:

Get smashed and the next day do a deal to sell a player to a rival London club. :wenger:

If that's not symbolic of their shambles I don't know what is.
 
The Ox transfer just makes Wenger look like a fool. He bent over backwards to accommodate him in the side. Played him in all three games at right wing back and moved his best right back to left wing back.

Then the player leaves anyway.
But the player isnt a RWB, nor is Bellerin a R/LWB. I'm sorry but thats just bad management. I've not seen much of Asnl but in the rare games i've seen Ox in MF i've been impressed.

Wenger wasnt accommodating the player at all. Just stubborn Wenger sticking with that 343 even though its not working
 
I mostly think it's sad to see what is happening to that club. If anything though by far my favorite side effect of this is that pompous prick of a Piers Morgan probably have a fit.
 
After yesterday, I have a feeling any Arsenal fan would prefer them to sell Ozil, Sanchez and Ox and at least have a pile of cash, if not strengthen the spine of the team. Seems like if they let those go and Mustafi and more fringe players, they could still possibly get Sahko, Mahrez, Barkley, maybe even Mike Smalling in this window. That's at least a spine of a team to build on, and a team that could at sniff at top 4. It won't get them the defensive midfielder they need, although I'd sell Xhaka too, tomorrow, if was I Wenger.
 
Honestly that performance and result weren't anything new or surprising.

After they lost to a U-23 type United squad at Old Trafford 3-2, I've felt they were in an interminable decline. It started well before that loss, but that one just said everything that needed to be said about the club, the players and Wenger.

Players deserve plenty of blame for that loss yesterday, but they've all been brought to the club by Wenger. It really should be time to go for him, just like it's been time for years, but nothing will change ultimately.
 
Sanchez and Ozil are gone next summer regardless of the Wengers employment. Arsenal then have an entire squad of average players.

What top tier manager will be available? None would be my guess. If they get landed with a Moyes, with an average squad and little investment from the board Arsenal might never come back in the top 4.

They need at least 8 new top class players. In todays market United wouldn't even be able afford that in a single window.
 
Isn't it creepy? that on this day united beat arsenal 8-2 at OT, only yesterday liverpool destroyed arseal 4-0.
 
And now a transfer request has been handed in by Sanchez apparently.

A couple of weeks ago it was Chelsea who was about to implode.
 
And now a transfer request has been handed in by Sanchez apparently.

A couple of weeks ago it was Chelsea who was about to implode.

Chelsea imploding is just part of the cycle

win title - implode - win title

It's the most extreme boom bust cycle in world football.
 
It's doing the rounds on Twitter that Sanchez has handed in a transfer request.

It's really going sour at Arsenal.
 
They should have got rid of Sanchez and Ox before the season started.
 
One finish outside the top 4 was all it took for the wheels to come off the bus.