Anyway, all this is immaterial. Arsenal will trounce two or three of their next lesser opponents and the hope that kills them will drug the blud fam crew once again.
Arsenal are a shambles
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I just cannot understand Wenger not changing a system, that does not work....He is classed by many as a good football tactician, and Manager, but for God's Sake anyone can see that 3 at the back is the cause of their downfall in most games...
Having said that, Some of their players want a good kick up the behind, and their wages stopped, for performances that are way behind their Standard...
Having said that, Some of their players want a good kick up the behind, and their wages stopped, for performances that are way behind their Standard...
I wouldn't say I was ever totally on the 'Wenger Out' brigade, but I can't fully agree with the likes of Neville who think he has some divine right to stay no matter how bad it gets either. The most baffling decision is that Wenger and the board have not gone out and bought strong, defensive players with leadership qualities for such a long time now. It seems that every season, Wenger buys some new attacking quality and completely ignores fixing what is in dire need of fixing. Arsenal don't work hard for the manager, the fans, or even each other. They are the weakest team mentally in the Premier League. They are an embarrassment.
I actually feel sorry for Arsenal now - but it's hard to support Wenger having the balls to sign a two-year deal and continue with the same failure of a formula. For what it's worth, Arsenal crumbling was my biggest banker of a result this season. The worst part now is that it isn't even a surprise anymore.
I actually feel sorry for Arsenal now - but it's hard to support Wenger having the balls to sign a two-year deal and continue with the same failure of a formula. For what it's worth, Arsenal crumbling was my biggest banker of a result this season. The worst part now is that it isn't even a surprise anymore.
They will be fine. They have defeat like this every season and they usually bounce back. And compete for top 4. If you consider lack of investment they are doing well in last few seasons.
The only negativity for me is how Wenger doesn't learn from his mistakes. His tactics were totally wrong and he played to Liverpool strengths. They were begging Liverpool to hit them on a counter with their high line.
The only negativity for me is how Wenger doesn't learn from his mistakes. His tactics were totally wrong and he played to Liverpool strengths. They were begging Liverpool to hit them on a counter with their high line.
They've clung to that excuse for years but it's ringing hollow now. And that's what makes their recent crapness so hard for Arsenal fans to take. They'd always assumed that the only thing stopping them from complete domination was not being able to spend big money on the likes of Sanchez, Ozil and Lacazette. Turns out it makes no difference whatsoever.
Agree that Wenger's tactical incompetence is their biggest problem but that's still a disaster. They just can't compete against decent teams managed by someone with a proper game plan. That's unacceptable for a club with their aspirations.
That invincible season made him delusional and he never ever since adapted the game to the modern era. The board awards him new contracts and one of the highest manegerial salaries for mediocre peformances. He is tarnishing his own legacy and running the club down into the ground.
The comments of Henry hit the nail on the head:
"That was unwatchable. At one point I wanted to leave. It's too much to take," said Henry on Sky Sports.
"I don’t relate to the team and I don’t think a lot of the fans do. That is a problem.
"It's comfortable at Arsenal. There's not that kind of pressure that you should have at a big club.
"You don't win the league for a very long time and you're not competing - it's on them [Wenger and the board] to change it. I go back to that comfort zone you have at Arsenal. Everything is nice and it cannot be like that."
Give Henry a shot a manager!
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/arsène-wenger-same-old-problems.30183/page-60
An interesting observation from Arsenal Mania
"That was unwatchable. At one point I wanted to leave. It's too much to take," said Henry on Sky Sports.
"I don’t relate to the team and I don’t think a lot of the fans do. That is a problem.
"It's comfortable at Arsenal. There's not that kind of pressure that you should have at a big club.
"You don't win the league for a very long time and you're not competing - it's on them [Wenger and the board] to change it. I go back to that comfort zone you have at Arsenal. Everything is nice and it cannot be like that."
Give Henry a shot a manager!
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/arsène-wenger-same-old-problems.30183/page-60
An interesting observation from Arsenal Mania
It's not just that, Wenger has been in charge when they have got some of their largest defeats in their history.
Our 8-2 I believe was their second worst defeat in their clubs history or something like that.
TBH, yesterday was the first time I have seen pretty much every single player in an Arsenal team not give a toss. Sure they've had beatings, but generally you could see effort. The mistakes they were making, the lack of passion was borderline the 'laying down of tools'. There is something going on....which Wenger kind of alluded to.
A good number of ours came in one season under you know who.
I disagree with this. Think they're already in Moyes territory.
What struck me as well.
I've seen beatings before but you usually see a few players run about.
Yesterday, every single player downed tools. The Liverpool fans around me couldn't believe it.
They were quite pessimistic going into the game.
Arsenal were beaten before a ball was kicked.
God help them then!! NO one deserves that.
Yes, they set up in a way that plays into Liverpool's strengths and the players knew it.
The fault mostly lies with the manager here. Arsenal are not good enough anymore to impose their game on other teams, Wenger needs to adapt to that fact.
They were a five minutes collapse from three losses in a row.
They're a team without fight going through the motions.
They will have the odd good game but any organised side has a decent chance of beating them.
Sounds like Moyes to me.
That is what happens when you have a senile old man as a manager and boys playing for your team. Looks like Wenger is going to destroy the team completely before he leaves, now the owners are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they fire Wenger it's going to take a long time to recover and if they keep him he will sell all good players.
Arrogantly I feel I could have sorted them out with the following signings:
Harry Maguire
Oriol Romelu
Stephen N'Zonzi
McTierney
Harry Maguire
Oriol Romelu
Stephen N'Zonzi
McTierney
Martial on the right? I don't think so
For me it's a corporate culture issue. Their board has repeatedly stated that top 4 and CL qualification is good enough. Who needs trophies? In a way they are right at least ROI and risk management-wise. winning the league with prior investment brings more or less the same dividends ($) as finishing 2-4 and getting to the CL.
It's the culture which kills them.
It's the culture which kills them.
I don't understand why they're selling all their centre backs 
. Wenger really has lost the plot.
. Wenger really has lost the plot.So this isn't just one poor performance.
My mistake, I don't even know why I put him on that side. Switch them around and that would be a brilliant attack.
Yeah Sanchez played on the right for Udinese didn't he. I think he's very good on the right and would be an amazing transfer indeed
I was shocked when I saw this yesterday, but looking at the state of their midfield it's no wonder. Their defence is obviously poor, with an insane amount of chopping and changing, but I feel sorry for anyone Wenger is asking to play at the back when quality players like Mane and Salah are allowed to walk towards the 18 yard box.
This is the best comment on Arsenal Mania, guy's hit all the nails on the head.
they are at a real crossroads. its not like next year they will waltz back into the CL. They have Europa and Thursday night football to get to grips with, with a bunch of players and manager with no fight in them
Interesting does anyone else get the feeling that Henry has lost some respect for Wenger? On the documentary posted here the other week I thought he showed more warmth to SAF than Wenger when speaking about the two of them.
He still called Wenger Boss in yesterday's post match. There is still a lot of respect, but he clearly isnt happy with the way things are going.
It defies belief that in this modern era of managerials merry-go rounds and trigger happy owners and boards that a manager can consistently deliver such absolute shite and keep getting his contract renewed.
Their midfielder's problem are bigger problem than their centre back. They don't have a proper top holding midfielder, what they have right now are headless chicken midfielders. But Wenger is clueless to find the right player. I also don't understand why his two signings this summer didn't even start yesterday. "Specialist in failure"
I think he'll always remain warm towards Wenger, remember he was floundering at Juventus even though he'd won the WC but Wenger rejuvenated him to become one of the World's best.
However in terms of respect;he is aware of how SAF was able to rebuild squads, get rid of the chaff, motivate his teams to be winners.
SAF never, ever had to deal with that level of capitulation and downright disrespect for the shirt. George Graham wouldn't have stood for it, and frankly, it's worse than it ever was under Rioch
Nah.
Fergie left us as champions, God knows where Wenger is going to leave Arsenal.
It's not a fair comparison anymore.
Even Keown couldn't understand why he sold his 'best defender,' in GabrielI don't understand why they're selling all their centre backs
Well they haven't been champions in quite a while and they won't for another season either
This
What is very odd is that this pattern seems to be repeated every single season:
1. They make a couple of underwhelming signings over the summer
2. They start the season with defeats and poor performances
3. They panic buy 3 players at the last minute before the deadline, not really thinking about how suitable these players are
4. Scrape 4th place (or actually 5th place)
5. Go to step 1
1. They make a couple of underwhelming signings over the summer
2. They start the season with defeats and poor performances
3. They panic buy 3 players at the last minute before the deadline, not really thinking about how suitable these players are
4. Scrape 4th place (or actually 5th place)
5. Go to step 1
That's a pretty accurate assessment of the last 13 years. I'd only say that Sanchez was not quite as underwhelming as the others
The three players you mentioned costed just a little more combined than City spent this season on WBs. And they are their bigggest investments in last 4-5 years. There is lack of investments no doubt about that.
They don't have good enough team simple as that and players which are "good enough" are not interested in playing for them anymore.
Whether he was their best defender is certainly debatable, but selling both him and Mustafi and then keeping Mertesacker who is crock most the time and will be retiring fairly soon is nuts.