Not really, most England fans see this as our worst team in memory in terms of player quality.
World Cup 2018 Qualifiers
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Not really, most England fans see this as our worst team in memory in terms of player quality.
However, this media is all about cliche and didn't do their homework. I meant there was certain Owen congratulated City who conceded goal left and right when Monaco being revealed as their opponent in CL. This same Monaco couldn't stop scoring...
This time they will not do it.
Be warned, you would be in a for big surprise. They care about the next than the current.
Agree with that part.
The team that failed to qualify for 2008 was not better in terms of individual quality.
Cause doping is using performance enhancing drugs, not performance starting drugs.
You wot? We're 5 points clear at the top of the table and unbeaten with only 2 games left.
So they are all overhyped
In 2008 the Champions League final was contested by Man Utd and Chelsea. Further to that the quarter finals of that CL campaign featured four English teams, the semis featured three English teams, the most dominant performance of a single league in the competitions history. All those teams success was based on having strong cores of English players, as was the success of the PL top 4 Europe in general in that era. English players were the second highest represented nation in the World Team of year in 2008. Spain with 5 and then England with 3.
If you really believe in what you are saying then good luck to you.
Ashley Cole, Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney...
2008 was an utter cock up. But there was plenty of quality in that first 11.
So, does anybody still deny that Rashford is England's best player?
City fans.
Against really poor competition. And you struggled to win some of those games. What was the last game England played against a top team?
Iceland. Don't talk about it.
First of all the domination of those teams was not solely based in English players, better do your homework, then check the names who make the first team of England vs Croatia on the qualifiers to Euro 2008 and then come and say if all those players were better than current ones.
If you believe in that good luck for you.
Don't get me wrong, we're shit. I was just pointing out that we are most certainly not "struggling to qualify".
try and give me a good looking woman with no makeup and you'll see its very very hardwho her?
I dunno man
Yes and Peter Crouch, Scott Carson, Micah Richards, Gareth Barry and so on.
Wait, where was the English core at Arsenal and Chelsea?
Lampard was Chelsea's most influential player and they had Terry and Cole but that was it. Joe Cole was on the fringes, nobody else.
Liverpool? Gerrard and Carragher yeah but everyone else?
Arsenal even worse.
We certainly had a decent British core but it was evenly split because VDS, Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Tevez all played big parts. If you want to split hairs then Giggs, Fletch, O'Shea don't count because they're not English.
English teams' success during that period had very, very little to do with English players.
Butland
Walker Cahill Jones Rose
Dier
Alli Lallana
Sterling Kane Rashford
I definitely think we should play a 433 at the world cup because we're going to get destroyed by better teams if we go 4231. Anyway this team looks pretty decent, I dont see why it cant get past the group stage but we havent tried this system out yet so who knows.
Walker Cahill Jones Rose
Dier
Alli Lallana
Sterling Kane Rashford
I definitely think we should play a 433 at the world cup because we're going to get destroyed by better teams if we go 4231. Anyway this team looks pretty decent, I dont see why it cant get past the group stage but we havent tried this system out yet so who knows.
try and give me a good looking woman with no makeup and you'll see its very very hard
Lucky for me i found my wife who is Beautiful without it.
The Fifpro world team of the year is voted for by all the registered professional players in the world. In 2008 John Terry, Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard were deemed by those players to be the best in the world in their positions. Two of those were missing in that game but that doesn't make your opinion any less ludicrous. That team also featured Lampard who came second in the Ballon D'Or in 2005, Gerrard came third in the Ballon D'Or in that year. Ashley Cole was on the bench, he was also voted the best left back in the world by his fellow pros one year. John Terry was voted in the world team of the year FIVE times in his career.
Now go and count the amount of awards for the current team.
Carson, Richards, Campbell, Lescott, Bridge, Wright-Phillips (Beckham 46), Gerrard, Barry (Defoe 46), Lampard, Joe Cole (Bent 80), Crouch.
Silly to base a whole campaign on one lineup. There are clearly a lot of key players missing night. Beckham had even been brought out of retirement.
From tonight, only Kane, Rashford and maybe Walker would be making the 2008 first elevens. Hart over Carson too. Three players, max four.
From 2008, Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Terry, Ashley Cole and Rooney would comfortably make this team and be key players. Thats six players. Its utterly ridiculous to argue this is a stronger side quality wise than 2008.
Crouch is a hero! 22 goals from 42 caps.
Barry is quite underrated.
I get what you're saying though.
I know, on a roll! 5 wins in a row, first time ever for us. Really taken confidence from qualifying for the euros before
Absolute nonsense.
No need to try. I can see that team never works.
1. About half of those players currently or well known being injury prone so unlikely they're to be fit at the same time, let alone having enough time to gel.
2. There is no midfield. The 3 you listed ain't really out & out midfielder.
3. We don't know what other teams would be in the group. Last time England couldn't get out of the group at WC due to having some heavyweight and a dark horse in their group. Quality wise, this time England looks worse. Therefore, given similar circumstances, the possibility for England to go home early is still there.
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Its magic. Only thing is clubs will be after O'Neill after the WC.
Lallana plays midfield for his club exactly there in a midfield three, Dier plays the same position for his club. Alli can be changed to Henderson but i think Allis good enough in a box to box role.
Well for someone who said the "total domination" of English teams was based in a strong England core and then 1 sees, Arsenal didn't had 1 relevant english player, Liverpool at best 2, Carragher and Gerrard, unless you are trying to say to me without laughing Crouch was world class and better than Kane.
Then Chelsea, at best 4 english players, Terry, Ashley Cole, Lampard or Joe Cole, don't see Joe Cole as a better player than Delle Alli imo.
Not going to waste my time mentioning, yes United had 6 players who were english on that final, but if you really believe Wes Brown was world class good luck to you, then Scholes retired after 2006, Carrick not always was called to the NT, and Hargreaves don't remember how it was under McClaren.
And some of the names there, Scott Carson? Wright Philips? Really?
Then I was not saying these current players are all better than the players from that era, but you need to take into account not all of them were part of England squad, better complain with McClaren not with me, I don't agree those were all outstanding players, even more ludicrous is to think the domination in the Champions League of that era was based on England, at best only United can say that, nothing compared with Spanish teams based on Barcelona imo.
I think Loftus-cheek will start for us in the World Cup. He is better than all our current midfielders.
Alli is second forward. He has been struggling to impress for England for most part due to being employed in different role than his Tottenham role.. Alli is efficient player closer to opposition box, but deeper and deeper toward his own goal, he becomes lesser and lesser player. He may improve in one year mind, but unlikely his can become someone else that different from his natural game.
Dier has been more of the third CB this past season than a midfielder since Tottenham got a better midfielder in.
Lallana is more attacker or no 10 than a third midfielder. Klopp system allowed him to play so. Not with England where the spin of the team is weak.
Kane
Rashford-----Alli------Sterling
Ward-Prowse Dier
Rose Jones Cahill Walker
Pickford
That's England's best XI, for me. When fit.
Rashford-----Alli------Sterling
Ward-Prowse Dier
Rose Jones Cahill Walker
Pickford
That's England's best XI, for me. When fit.
Use that expressions with someone you know mate, I am on a forum and expressing my opinion, not calling your arguments ridiculous ok?
Yeah and I think he'd be open to it too. Shame to lose him because he's really brought some of the younger guys on, as well as organising the defence and getting us scoring goals again. All from a guy who used to manage shamrock rovers!
TBH liverpools spine is pretty crap but he still does very well there. But yeah like you say i dont think we will see it happen because of injuries.
The core of that era Chelsea side was Terry and Lampard, they were the identity, as were Carragher and Gerard at Liverpool. At United it was probably less pronounced and yes Arsenal didn't have an English core but the dominance of the CL wouldn't have happened without English players, their value was reflected in the individual honours their fellow pros awarded them, that is real and as tangible evidence as you can get, the largest consensus of professional opinion available, comprehensive. I would be interested to hear how you would discredit that objectively?
England will be making up the numbers at next year's World Cup. We'll do well to
even get out of the group stages. We simply lack quality, in midfield in particular. That's why over the months leading up to the finales I'd certainly have a look at Tom Davies for example, he's the type of player with the attributes we're missing.
even get out of the group stages. We simply lack quality, in midfield in particular. That's why over the months leading up to the finales I'd certainly have a look at Tom Davies for example, he's the type of player with the attributes we're missing.
Exactly my thoughts.