Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

[FOR5]

When's the parade? Bloody hell some of the crying in here, IT'S SEPTEMBER!!

Granted City have an impressive squad, therefore them spanking Watford shouldn't come as a surprise.
Said to a mate on Saturday that City do look good and it's a frightening prospect, we'll need to score 4 to go level on top, and what do we do....

Their strong point is the attacking options they have and the speed at which they move the ball, ours is probably power, strength and durability i.e. being able to blow teams away near the end of the 90.

If anything will stop them lot from winning the league it'll be if Pep tinkers too much and lack of real leaders, we have more leaders and stronger characters than they do. It's a marathon not a sprint so calm down some of you.

 

[Thisistheone]

City net spend (for what it's worth) was less than United.
City bought more players in than than United.
City shifted many high wage earners out/released, United sold... Januzaj

But yeah, City are the only club ruining football, with their 'unlimited' funds...

Ta for being reasonable and rational, unlike the next post ... 'history'!!

It's not your money though?

You've basically had a rich step-dad pay for the pool table, placed all your balls over the pockets, because otherwise you'd be shit, and then you celebrate like crazy after winning.

 

[namco]

The thing that is holding Jose back is money. If Jose had an unlimited budget like Pep I am sure he would have fixed the deficiencies in the squad. CL semis and finals. If Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal are going to compete in the long run with the new money clubs we need to lobby for a salary cap.

A salary cap would be good for the game but would put clubs like City & PSG in even better positions. All fans outside of BM know that the wages City quote that they pay are vastly less than they actually pay. Mansour will put some through the company books. The rest will come from his own pocket via multiple channels. There accounts are pure works of fiction. They would flout a salary cap just as they have FFP.

City net spend (for what it's worth) was less than United.
City bought more players in than than United.
City shifted many high wage earners out/released, United sold... Januzaj

It's not really worth anything. You spend what you spend, which is vastly more than you make. You are not being run as a business. We released our 2 biggest earners in Ibra & Rooney. Ibra is back but on a reduced salary. Now that's good business.

 

[Thunderhead]

A salary cap would be good for the game but would put clubs like City & PSG in even better positions. All fans outside of BM know that the wages City quote that they pay are vastly less than they actually pay. Mansour will put some through the company books. The rest will come from his own pocket via multiple channels. There accounts are pure works of fiction. They would flout a salary cap just as they have FFP.



It's not really worth anything. You spend what you spend, which is vastly more than you make. You are not being run as a business. We released our 2 biggest earners in Ibra & Rooney. Ibra is back but on a reduced salary. Now that's good business.

You have any proof for this? I'm sure if this was actually happening some disgruntled ex player or employee would have gone to the press about it

 

[namco]

You have any proof for this? I'm sure if this was actually happening some disgruntled ex player or employee would have gone to the press about it

Why would anyone complain about being given huge piles of cash. All players at City will be earning vastly more than they would at other clubs. They know Mansour has a few quid so they'll get a good deal.

 

[JASR]

Where does City's money come from?

Huh?

Now? The same as United: commercial, TV, sponsorship, merchandise and match day.

At takeover: large investment in a complete financial basket case.

Between those points in time, a gradual move to profitability (last 2 years), requiring no more investment.

It's in the accounts, if you'd care to actually deal in facts: 500m investment. Ie money put in by ADUG. Everything else is the same as United... except City have gained a training complex and other infrastructure investments.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Can't belief there are United fans complaining about money. We're throwing money here, there and everywhere.

 

[horsechoker]

Huh?

Now? The same as United: commercial, TV, sponsorship, merchandise and match day.

At takeover: large investment in a complete financial basket case.

Between those points in time, a gradual move to profitability (last 2 years), requiring no more investment.

It's in the accounts, if you'd care to actually deal in facts: 500m investment. Ie money put in by ADUG. Everything else is the same as United... except City have gained a training complex and other infrastructure investments.

You don't make nearly as much as us from these.

 

[roonster09]

I think the best idea is to link your previous posts rather than repeating the same points again and again. Someone questions Pep, City and their money every alternate week and same posts are repeated again and again.

 

[JASR]

It's not really worth anything. You spend what you spend, which is vastly more than you make. You are not being run as a business. We released our 2 biggest earners in Ibra & Rooney. Ibra is back but on a reduced salary. Now that's good business.

if you believe Rooney went as a 'Free' for the love of his boyhood club, with 3 (?) more years of his 300k a week contract still to go... and you believe it's not costing United anything ... there really is no hope.

 

[JASR]

I think the best idea is to link your previous posts rather than repeating the same points again and again. Someone questions Pep, City and their money every alternate week and same posts are repeated again and again.

I agree, totally.

City fans:
1. Yes we won the lottery, pulling us out of financial death ( I think we had a month to go before the cash ran out)

2. Investment in players and a superb infrastructure has been great, and was required to put City back at the top (money) table.

3. ADUG is not a stupid blind bottomless pit. It's a successful competitive business and as such expects profits - it now has them from City.


United fans (of namco style ilk):
1. Billions and billions of bottomless pits of money thrown away.
2. All a bit dodgy, you know oil, arabs, oooh they're the same as PSG.
3. ...errrr that's it.

 

[manc exile]

You don't make nearly as much as us from these.

this is true, but they also have less expenses, no loan repayments or dividends to shareholders as a couple of examples.
therefore as long as their owners dont want to take money out, they dont need to make as much as us to be able to compete with us.

 

[Thunderhead]

#pep out

 

[padr81]

A salary cap would be good for the game but would put clubs like City & PSG in even better positions. All fans outside of BM know that the wages City quote that they pay are vastly less than they actually pay. Mansour will put some through the company books. The rest will come from his own pocket via multiple channels. There accounts are pure works of fiction. They would flout a salary cap just as they have FFP.



It's not really worth anything. You spend what you spend, which is vastly more than you make. You are not being run as a business. We released our 2 biggest earners in Ibra & Rooney. Ibra is back but on a reduced salary. Now that's good business.

You should be banned for being an idiot. Have you any proof? No, you make shite up like the fecking idiot you are. You only post about City, you're the biggest most idiotic troll on this board how you're not gone is beyond me...

 

[Manchester Dan]

Why would anyone complain about being given huge piles of cash. All players at City will be earning vastly more than they would at other clubs. They know Mansour has a few quid so they'll get a good deal.

Do you ever not talk shite?

 

[Andycoleno9]

I keep saying to myself- " pep is a fraud who can work only in top top squads". But now he has his squad, built by his desires. And i am a little bit worried. They look really really good. I don't know how they will play in big matches but my fear is that they will win all those smaller matches without problem.

 

[namco]

You should be banned for being an idiot. Have you any proof? No, you make shite up like the fecking idiot you are. You only post about City, you're the biggest most idiotic troll on this board how you're not gone is beyond me...

This is a Utd forum. We only let the likes of you & the other Citeh lads on here for entertainment value. I will admit you are not as deluded as many of them, you are deluded all the same though.

 

[padr81]

This is a Utd forum. We only let the likes of you & the other Citeh lads on here for entertainment value. I will admit you are not as deluded as many of them, you are deluded all the same though.

Yup, only let the likes of me post to entertain you. I seem to remember getting promoted out of newbies fairly early because of the quality of my deluded posts, 3 weeks I think and only 5 likes. Seem to remember you telling one of our fans how he only had 10 likes to your 9 and you'd pass him in no time. What was that 6 months ago, are you even out of newbies yet?

We both know the only club you care about is City right?
How many posts in a row is that.. 2 years worth lol.

I'm beginning to think you're Sergio Aguero's illegitimate child who feels scorned because his daddy disowned him or something. You're obsessed mate.

9 pages of posts in your history. Thats 180 posts, all about City, from a so called United fan on a United forum... lol. I'd imagine your 29 posts in newbies or whatever are all about City too... You should start your own website, call it "Red Moon".

 

[JASR]

Yup, only let the likes of me post to entertain you. I seem to remember getting promoted out of newbies fairly early because of the quality of my deluded posts, 3 weeks I think and only 5 likes. Seem to remember you telling one of our fans how he only had 10 likes to your 9 and you'd pass him in no time. What was that 6 months ago, are you even out of newbies yet?

We both know the only club you care about is City right?
How many posts in a row is that.. 2 years worth lol.

I'm beginning to think you're Sergio Aguero's illegitimate child who feels scorned because his daddy disowned him or something. You're obsessed mate.

9 pages of posts in your history. Thats 180 posts, all about City, from a so called United fan on a United forum... lol. I'd imagine your 29 posts in newbies or whatever are all about City too... You should start your own website, call it "Red Moon".

Is so correct that the word 'perfection' doesn't even begin to describe it.

 

[RedSky]

When's the parade? Bloody hell some of the crying in here, IT'S SEPTEMBER!!

Granted City have an impressive squad, therefore them spanking Watford shouldn't come as a surprise.
Said to a mate on Saturday that City do look good and it's a frightening prospect, we'll need to score 4 to go level on top, and what do we do....

Their strong point is the attacking options they have and the speed at which they move the ball, ours is probably power, strength and durability i.e. being able to blow teams away near the end of the 90.

If anything will stop them lot from winning the league it'll be if Pep tinkers too much and lack of real leaders, we have more leaders and stronger characters than they do. It's a marathon not a sprint so calm down some of you.

Happens every season on here. City start the season well, the drama queens act like they're going to romp the League and then City start dropping point in November to January.

Just check out last seasons thread and you'll find similiar posts to ours.

 

[Womp]

Happens every season on here. City start the season well, the drama queens act like they're going to romp the League and then City start dropping point in November to January.

Just check out last seasons thread and you'll find similiar posts to ours.

The baffling part is both clubs are exactly the same, with nothing to seperate us. You'd think we were sitting in the relegation battle. There's nothing we can do about City's dominance, all we can do is focus on ourselves and keep winning games to stay in the race, which we have done. There's going to be many upsets and changes yet.

 

[RedSky]

The baffling part is both clubs are exactly the same, with nothing to seperate us. You'd think we were sitting in the relegation battle. There's nothing we can do about City's dominance, all we can do is focus on ourselves and keep winning games to stay in the race, which we have done. There's going to be many upsets and changes yet.

It's probably because they're playing entertaining football and so people lose their shit because "omfg how do you do stop them". When the reality is that they're simply in peak form and there's no way in hell they can continue playing in that way for a month let alone a full season. Pep will still feck it up for them come Winter. I'll give them credit though, they look better than last season, having fullbacks that can attack will help them long term.

 

[M18CTID]

Yup, only let the likes of me post to entertain you. I seem to remember getting promoted out of newbies fairly early because of the quality of my deluded posts, 3 weeks I think and only 5 likes. Seem to remember you telling one of our fans how he only had 10 likes to your 9 and you'd pass him in no time. What was that 6 months ago, are you even out of newbies yet?

We both know the only club you care about is City right?
How many posts in a row is that.. 2 years worth lol.

I'm beginning to think you're Sergio Aguero's illegitimate child who feels scorned because his daddy disowned him or something. You're obsessed mate.

9 pages of posts in your history. Thats 180 posts, all about City, from a so called United fan on a United forum... lol. I'd imagine your 29 posts in newbies or whatever are all about City too... You should start your own website, call it "Red Moon".

You should follow your own advice you gave me some weeks back regarding namco and stop feeding the troll

It is what it is where namco is concerned - he's never going to change mate. Just point and laugh at him every time he posts his inane shite. He knows full well that if he ever bumped into any of us in person - be it blues or reds - we'd demolish him in a debate so while he's wasting his 3 posts a day up here talking shite about City, just hold that thought for a moment.

I don't ever want to see him banned - for comedy value but also because I'm not a mard-arsed twat who goes skriking to the mods if someone posts something I don't like or disagree with. However, I will say this - how he's survived this long is a bit of a mystery when you look at how so many good United posters have been banned down the years. To that end, I'd say he's stealing a living on here. Even Gold Trafford (remember him anyone?) couldn't match namco for sheer wummery.

 

[Camy89]

This is a Utd forum. We only let the likes of you & the other Citeh lads on here for entertainment value. I will admit you are not as deluded as many of them, you are deluded all the same though.

This is a football forum, which primarily supports United. However, given the quality of modding, it allows and encourages supporters of other clubs to join the discussions. This is how healthy debate is born. (Maybe not if you want to build a wall...)

I suggest you get your head out your ass as you're showing yourself up to look like a right ignorant knob.

 

[Verbalkint]

City's got one big weakness and that's their defence. Granted they have the firepower to get them through most sticky situations but that's the point - most. They're going to feel the repercussions at some point.

Kompany as phenomenal as he is, isn't the same player anymore. Stones & Otamendi don't convince me one bit. I think they're there for the taking.

 

[cyberman]

@Camy89
Gotta disagree buddy. This is a Utd forum first and foremost. Its important not to lose sight of that.

 

[Camy89]

@Camy89
Gotta disagree buddy. This is a Utd forum first and foremost. Its important not to lose sight of that.

I haven't lost sight of that, but I see it a little differently.

It started as a solely United forum back in the day, and while still the main place to come for all things United, it's expanded now to encompass lots of different topics that people enjoy talking about. Don't get me wrong, I still see it as a United forum, but I can appreciate some folk post on here have no interest in football and enjoy the banter in the general forum.

I think that's quite nice.

 

[VanGaalEra]

City net spend (for what it's worth) was less than United.
City bought more players in than than United.
City shifted many high wage earners out/released, United sold... Januzaj

But yeah, City are the only club ruining football, with their 'unlimited' funds...

Ta for being reasonable and rational, unlike the next post ... 'history'!!

We also sold Depay and Morgan in January and got Rooney and Bastian off our wage bills. Two can play that game.

 

[VanGaalEra]

Yup, only let the likes of me post to entertain you. I seem to remember getting promoted out of newbies fairly early because of the quality of my deluded posts, 3 weeks I think and only 5 likes. Seem to remember you telling one of our fans how he only had 10 likes to your 9 and you'd pass him in no time. What was that 6 months ago, are you even out of newbies yet?

We both know the only club you care about is City right?
How many posts in a row is that.. 2 years worth lol.

I'm beginning to think you're Sergio Aguero's illegitimate child who feels scorned because his daddy disowned him or something. You're obsessed mate.

9 pages of posts in your history. Thats 180 posts, all about City, from a so called United fan on a United forum... lol. I'd imagine your 29 posts in newbies or whatever are all about City too... You should start your own website, call it "Red Moon".

 

[M18CTID]

@Camy89
Gotta disagree buddy. This is a Utd forum first and foremost. Its important not to lose sight of that.

Regardless, blatant wumming goes against the code of conduct on here. If you think namco actually adds anything to the debate, then you're either kidding yourself or his best mate. I'm sure it's not the latter and it probably isn't the former either so I don't see why anyone should stick up for him just because he supports the same team as them. Put it this way, if a City fan was behaving the same way towards sensible United posters on Bluemoon, I'd be calling the fcuker out and defending the United fan. In fact, that's exactly what I've done in the past on there and will again if the need arises. There's banter and taking the piss. And then there's namco.

 

[cyberman]

@Camy89
Yes but it's still a Utd forum. In my opinion it's gone too much the other way with opposition running on to stick the boot in when we go through a bad run of form only to disappear when it goes against them.
I really enjoy the rivals element but there are very few neutrals on here which is why it's important to remember what this forum is.
Anyway we're off topic...

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@M18CTID
i don't agree with a word he said, Im just arguing against the idea of a Utd site being watered down to a general forum with Utd leanings

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Huh?

Now? The same as United: commercial, TV, sponsorship, merchandise and match day.

Just to confirm you believe that this is accurate with no shoddy dealings whatsoever:

Teams (positions last season) Revenue in €m (£m in brackets) 2015-16 Revenue 2014-15
1 (3) Manchester United 689 (515.3) 519.5 (395.2)
2 (2) Barcelona 620.2 (463.8) 560.8 (426.6)
3 (1) Real Madrid 620.1 (463.8) 577 (439)
4 (5) Bayern Munich 592 (442.7) 474 (360.6)
5 (6) Manchester City 524.9 (392.6) 463.5 (352.6)
6 (4) Paris St-Germain 520.9 (389.6) 480.8 (365.8)
7 (7) Arsenal 468.5 (350.4) 435.5 (331.3)
8 (8) Chelsea 447.4 (334.6) 420 (319.5)
9 (9) Liverpool 403.8 (302) 391.8 (298.1)
10 (10) Juventus 341.1 (255.1) 323.9 (246.4)

 

[padr81]

@Camy89
Gotta disagree buddy. This is a Utd forum first and foremost. Its important not to lose sight of that.

Good point mate, but its also a forum that prides itself on being open to others and others points of view.

Myself and yourself have had many a good argument/debate on here as have myself and many others but always do it in a civil although sometimes heated way, you give your opinions and while we have very different ones, you never simply make up random rubbish with no bearing in reality whatsoever just to stir the pot.

The poster I was replying to, is a United fan or a first and foremost United forum who has 200 posts (every single one about City.)

That said I would like to apologize to @namco for calling him an idiot, I should have attacked the post and not the poster.

@M18CTID - Never was good at practicing what I preach, caught me on a bad day after the All Ireland Final. I should have followed my own advice.

 

[M18CTID]

@Camy89
Yes but it's still a Utd forum. In my opinion it's gone too much the other way with opposition running on to stick the boot in when we go through a bad run of form only to disappear when it goes against them.
I really enjoy the rivals element but there are very few neutrals on here which is why it's important to remember what this forum is.
Anyway we're off topic...

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@M18CTID
i don't agree with a word he said, Im just arguing against the idea of a Utd site being watered down to a general forum with Utd leanings

Fair enough mate. To be honest, you do have a point about "sticking the boot in" and as much as I can be an argumentative twat on here at times, that's one thing I don't do and I tend to stay away from this forum in the wake of a good City result against United.

 

[Redguern]

Huh?

Now? The same as United: commercial, TV, sponsorship, merchandise and match day.

At takeover: large investment in a complete financial basket case.

Between those points in time, a gradual move to profitability (last 2 years), requiring no more investment.

It's in the accounts, if you'd care to actually deal in facts: 500m investment. Ie money put in by ADUG. Everything else is the same as United... except City have gained a training complex and other infrastructure investments.

Huh? How about I believe a financial analyst like Swiss Ramble (http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2016/10/manchester-city-my-aim-is-true.html) when he says:

City’s development has been largely funded by the owners, who have put in over £1.2 billion since the takeover in August 2008 through £0.9 billion of new share capital and £0.3 billion of loans (subsequently converted to shares).

£1.2 billion - NOT 500m - and that was only up to the 2015/16 season's accounts...

Just to confirm you believe that this is accurate with no shoddy dealings whatsoever:

Teams (positions last season) Revenue in €m (£m in brackets) 2015-16 Revenue 2014-15
1 (3) Manchester United 689 (515.3) 519.5 (395.2)
2 (2) Barcelona 620.2 (463.8) 560.8 (426.6)
3 (1) Real Madrid 620.1 (463.8) 577 (439)
4 (5) Bayern Munich 592 (442.7) 474 (360.6)
5 (6) Manchester City 524.9 (392.6) 463.5 (352.6)
6 (4) Paris St-Germain 520.9 (389.6) 480.8 (365.8)
7 (7) Arsenal 468.5 (350.4) 435.5 (331.3)
8 (8) Chelsea 447.4 (334.6) 420 (319.5)
9 (9) Liverpool 403.8 (302) 391.8 (298.1)
10 (10) Juventus 341.1 (255.1) 323.9 (246.4)

Let's think about this again and also remember that clubs like Bayern Munich, the most famous football team in the biggest country in Europe (also acknowledged as one of the experts in maximisation of commercial income in football) are not earning much more commercial revenue than City. Add to that the fact that majority of City's deals, while not necessarily classified as 'related party transactions' under the accounting rules, are still sourced from Middle Eastern based businesses and you can understand the scepticism on here.

There is no denying that City's success on the pitch, allied with the growth in Premier League TV money, has boosted the club's turnover but let's not pretend that's all there is to the story, both in the past or the present...

 

[FCBarca]

I think it's agreed that this thread looks to have little chance of staying on topic much of this season

 

[M18CTID]

Huh? How about I believe a financial analyst like Swiss Ramble (http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2016/10/manchester-city-my-aim-is-true.html) when he says:



£1.2 billion - NOT 500m - and that was only up to the 2015/16 season's accounts...



Let's think about this again and also remember that clubs like Bayern Munich, the most famous football team in the biggest country in Europe (also acknowledged as one of the experts in maximisation of commercial income in football) are not earning much more commercial revenue than City. Add to that the fact that majority of City's deals, while not necessarily classified as 'related party transactions' under the accounting rules, are still sourced from Middle Eastern based businesses and you can understand the scepticism on here.

There is no denying that City's success on the pitch, allied with the growth in Premier League TV money, has boosted the club's turnover but let's not pretend that's all there is to the story, both in the past or the present...

This was discussed at great length on the La Liga complaint thread the other week and while I was all debated out in the end, if you check out this link: https://www.soccerex.com/insight/ar...ail&utm_term=0_dff1a21dfc-88ef664f65-46283413 it states that in addition to existing deals with non-AD/UAE based companies such as Nissan, SAP, Wolf Blass, etc, since the start of the 2016/17 season City have also signed sponsorship deals with the following companies:

Goals
Qnet
Thomas Cook Sport
K8.com
Carlsberg
Eaton
Dongqiudi
BNN
Hays
The Open
Nexen Tire
Hyperion
Heineken
Tecno
iTrader.com
Valvoline
Dsquared2
SHB
Mundipharma
EA Sports
Ballr
UBTech
Star Lager
Veqta

Now it's obvious that our main sponsorship deal is with Etihad (interestingly, the Soccerex link puts that at £30 million per year when many of us would've had it at about £10 million per year higher than that), and that we have other deals with companies from that area of the world but the above is a pretty comprehensive list of companies from across the globe. I'm not sure how many, if any, are located in Abu Dhabi/UAE - I did check every single one and I can't find much info about a few of the lesser known names - but either way this notion that we're still heavily reliant on Abu Dhabi/UAE cash in 2017 is less accurate than at any time since the ADUG takeover in September 2008. I will add - for the umpteenth time on here - that I fully accept that we wouldn't be where we are now if it wasn't for said takeover before anyone throws out the hackneyed and wholly inaccurate cliche that City fans think the investment has had nothing to do with the rise of the club in recent years.

 

[AdnanRED]

City have a strong team and will be challenging obviously, like us there are a few key positions where if they get injuries could effect them and for city that's LB as we saw when Sane was put there, the GK for a longer period of time could also set them back and Aguerro has a tendency to get injured in patches during the season and I don't think Jesus can lead the line by himself like Kun can. The season is loooooooooooong and lets not get ahead of urselves thinking City will storm it or that we will.

 

[M18CTID]

City have a strong team and will be challenging obviously, like us there are a few key positions where if they get injuries could effect them and for city that's LB as we saw when Sane was put there, the GK for a longer period of time could also set them back and Aguerro has a tendency to get injured in patches during the season and I don't think Jesus can lead the line by himself like Kun can. The season is loooooooooooong and lets not get ahead of urselves thinking City will storm it or that we will.

I agree. It's difficult for us City fans to not get giddy after the week we've just had - winning 5-0, 4-0, and 6-0 - but the previous 2 seasons when we actually had better starts in terms of points picked up in the first 5/6 games serve as a warning that things can go pear-shaped quickly. I do feel that we're playing even better than the start of last season (but so are United so it's a moot point I guess) and the full backs/keeper have given us more solidity at the back while offering us more options going forward, but at the same time we can still be "got at" in defence.

 

[JASR]

We also sold Depay and Morgan in January and got Rooney and Bastian off our wage bills. Two can play that game.

Ah, depay and Morgan... (and bastian)...the season before. Oh...ok...
...But yes... that season you did sell more by about a 'Januzaj'.

I still can't quite believe you'd think 'I'm on 300k a week for 3 more years' Rooney has gone from United as 'free'.

So, even if Rooney has moved clubs, along with its implied massive contract missing out pay cut (!), that's... err Rooney... oh and not forgetting Januzaj, being removed from the payroll this season.

Compared to longterm/experienced (therefore large pay) city players moved off the payroll: bony, kolarov, nasri, clichy, zaba, navas. Plus the lesser Januzaj equivalents of iheanacho, unal (has a buyback - good stuff as he's nominated for golden boy), mooy, nolito, fernando, ntcham and caballero.

And your argument for 'play that game' for this season, is... Rooney & Januzaj? Oops.