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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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I Believe said:
If anyone needs convincing look at 'project fear' that the Governor of the Bank of England and the Chancellor both colluded in, and still are in some quarters, although to be fair Mark Carny has admitted we can not only survive outside the EU, but heaven forbid, even prosper.
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Oh not this dumb shit again.. Mark Carney is responsible for the stability of the financial system. He told you very clearly before the vote that it would be hugely damaging and you didn't listen because of course you know better than all the people who actually do this stuff for a living. Then once the vote happened, guess what? Mark Carney was STILL responsible for keeping things as stable as possible, so no he couldn't come out and say 'oh you stupid cnuts, we're all very, very fecked now', instead he had to suddenly pivot and try and paint a positive picture of a situation he'd already publicly warned against. Because that's his damn job.

Then he also had to stomach people like you confidently declaring that he was a liar who had suddenly decided to embrace the truth just because it lined up with what you wanted to hear.

He should have resigned the moment the vote result came in and told you all to go feck yourselves.
 
Kentonio said:
Oh not this dumb shit again..
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Yes, I'm afraid you can moan and groan as much as you want but I suspect Mark Carney's time as Governor is now limited, he shouldn't be getting involved at all. Saying one thing before the event and another after it, yes that's cute. His 'Mea culpa' I suppose cuts him some slack, but not for too long, let himself be bullied, not good, 'steady Eddy' would not I suspect have succumbed.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
If the UK doesn't get a deal - they're on their own and if they think anyone outside the UK cares, they don't
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Since when as it been any different Paul? Britain was always the awkward kid on the block, plenty of Allies but no friends, nothing changes in that respect, if we make the goods and provide the services that others want, at the right price, we will trade very well thank you, inside or outside the EU.
Yes some of us want a deal and I reluctantly have come to the conclusion with Theresa at the helm it will be the 'bad deal' she has previously warned against, but then if that's the price we have to pay for our freedom, so be it, we will be outside and can sort our own problems and like the aftermath of all battles there will be the usual 'blood-letting' in both political and economic terms, but it won't just be in Britain, don't kid yourself on that one!
 
I Believe said:
Yes, I'm afraid you can moan and groan as much as you want but I suspect Mark Carney's time as Governor is now limited, he shouldn't be getting involved at all. Saying one thing before the event and another after it, yes that's cute. His 'Mea culpa' I suppose cuts him some slack, but not for too long, let himself be bullied, not good, 'steady Eddy' would not I suspect have succumbed.
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Just listen to yourself for goodness sake. Carneys only interest is in the stability and ideally growth of the U.K. economy. For one thing he's bloody American, so it's not like he has some vested interest in the patriotism shite. Before the vote he gave the best advice he could, which is that leaving the EU would be financially disasterous. Then the vote came in and he was faced with a nightmare situation where the pound was about to plummet and the economy was in serious danger. He did what any decent governor would do and came out to say the necessary things to try and soothe people's fears and maintain a little stability at the point where the financial world was panicking. He did it despite knowing that he was making himself look a fool to a lot of people, because he takes his job actually seriously.

The really annoying thing about you Brexiteers (well one of many really, but I digress..) is that you'll take any situation, no matter how clear and obvious and twist it to fit your narrative. The Carney situation isn't complicated, a child could see what happened, but because you don't like that truth, you have to create a bizarre, nonsensical version where he supposedly lied before but randomly came out and decided to support Brexit just 24 hours later.

Seriously, grow the feck up and accept that not everything is what you wish it was. You still have a potential win scenario, Brexit could happen and economically be a big success and then you can rub it in our faces forever. Any revisionist bullshit about the experts not believing what they warned you about is just stupid though. They genuinely thought (and continue to think) that this is a horrendous mistake. Look on the bright side, if you're right then you get to prove all the experts wrong too. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
 
devilish said:
Europe wont be on its own because we have each other
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Comforting thought isn't it, what happens when the southern EU countries economies nose-dive again, no British money to sling around, you will all share the pain, but not us, very comforting.
 
Kentonio said:
Just listen to yourself for goodness sake. Carneys only interest is in the stability and ideally growth of the U.K. economy. For one thing he's bloody American, so it's not like he has some vested interest in the patriotism shite. Before the vote he gave the best advice he could, which is that leaving the EU would be financially disasterous. Then the vote came in and he was faced with a nightmare situation where the pound was about to plummet and the economy was in serious danger. He did what any decent governor would do and came out to say the necessary things to try and soothe people's fears and maintain a little stability at the point where the financial world was panicking. He did it despite knowing that he was making himself look a fool to a lot of people, because he takes his job actually seriously.

The really annoying thing about you Brexiteers (well one of many really, but I digress..) is that you'll take any situation, no matter how clear and obvious and twist it to fit your narrative. The Carney situation isn't complicated, a child could see what happened, but because you don't like that truth, you have to create a bizarre, nonsensical version where he supposedly lied before but randomly came out and decided to support Brexit just 24 hours later.

Seriously, grow the feck up and accept that not everything is what you wish it was. You still have a potential win scenario, Brexit could happen and economically be a big success and then you can rub it in our faces forever. Any revisionist bullshit about the experts not believing what they warned you about is just stupid though. They genuinely thought (and continue to think) that this is a horrendous mistake. Look on the bright side, if you're right then you get to prove all the experts wrong too. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
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Canadian, but yes.
 
I Believe said:
Since when as it been any different Paul? Britain was always the awkward kid on the block, plenty of Allies but no friends, nothing changes in that respect, if we make the goods and provide the services that others want, at the right price, we will trade very well thank you, inside or outside the EU.
Yes some of us want a deal and I reluctantly have come to the conclusion with Theresa at the helm it will be the 'bad deal' she has previously warned against, but then if that's the price we have to pay for our freedom, so be it, we will be outside and can sort our own problems and like the aftermath of all battles there will be the usual 'blood-letting' in both political and economic terms, but it won't just be in Britain, don't kid yourself on that one!
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Everyone will always look after themselves first, the idea of the EU is to help each other out, it's not been perfected yet but in time .. to prevent what has happened in history but the Uk think they are still all powerful and can cope on their own, the world has changed.

Of course the UK will continue to trade but it's under which conditions that is important.
May (or anybody that ends up with the task of sorting the mess out) will have no choice but to have a bad deal - the alternative is no deal.

Now what does no deal mean - no deal with the EU, all current treaties and deals void - no membership of the WTO, passporting rights cancelled, the list is endless - how do you get out of this? A realistic vision of this scenario from the Brexit camp should be explained to the UK public with no lies.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
A realistic vision of this scenario from the Brexit camp should be explained to the UK public with no lies.
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We trade with whoever wants to trade with us on whatever level we can agree, a 65m market I'm sure we will find one or two interested... please form a queue at Dover!
 
I Believe said:
Comforting thought isn't it, what happens when the southern EU countries economies nose-dive again, no British money to sling around, you will all share the pain, but not us, very comforting.
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How much British money was sling around?
 
I Believe said:
We trade with whoever wants to trade with us on whatever level we can agree, a 65m market I'm sure we will find one or two interested... please form a queue at Dover!
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If the Uk leave with no deal, there will certainly be a queue at Dover, waiting for customs to check each lorry and the documentation.

So on 30th March 2019 with whom have the UK agreed a deal with?
 
The Outsider said:
JPRouve, I would be happy to hear your solution to Southern Europe if you have the time and inclination. Though probably on a separate thread would be best.
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The solution to what problem, exactly?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
waiting for customs to check each lorry and the documentation.
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There you go Paul, Brexit job creation, lots more customs office posts required, see working from Day1

Paul the Wolf said:
So on 30th March 2019 with whom have the UK agreed a deal with
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No one as yet, we have to leave first, would have thought you would have known that Paul? Time to raise your game my friend!
 
I Believe said:
There you go Paul, Brexit job creation, lots more customs office posts required, see working from Day1



No one as yet, we have to leave first, would have thought you would have known that Paul? Time to raise your game my friend!
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Bingo! The penny has dropped! The day after you leave, the UK is Billy no mates and can't trade with anyone.

As unemployment is so low in the UK and the EU people will be going home in their droves who are going to become the new customs officers - presume they will receive some kind of training
 
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I Believe said:
Comforting thought isn't it, what happens when the southern EU countries economies nose-dive again, no British money to sling around, you will all share the pain, but not us, very comforting.
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You are making it sound that the eu needs the uk. However the one begging for a bold and close relationship is not the eu but the uk.

Could it be the case that the uk overplayed its importance with europe just as it had done with the US?
 
I Believe said:
See Full Bloodied Red' post time 09.58 today report#17911 page 448
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So, nothing? Bear in mind that you are not member of the ESM while France or Germany for example are actually part of it like 17 other members, France and Germany respectively guarantee(because that's what it is) respectively 140bn€ and 190bn€. Also and I will insist on this one, no money is sling around what they are talking about is the money that is available if a country fail to pay back the money that was lent.

The EIB is an investment/financial institution, I don't know the statutes but philosophically speaking you could perfectly be shareholders while not EU members, it wouldn't be shocking.
 
devilish said:
You are making it sound that the eu needs the uk. However the one begging for a bold and close relationship is not the eu but the uk.

Could it be the case that the uk overplayed its importance with europe just as it had done with the US?
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I believe its the interest of the Banks and Insurance companies that are the ones 'begging' for a deal.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The day after you leave, the UK is Billy no mates and can't trade with anyone
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We are 'Billy no mates' already according to you, but with 65m market we will find someone to trade with don't go worrying, we're not.

Paul the Wolf said:
who are going to become the new customs officers - presume they will receive some kind of training
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All those struggling on zero hours contracts will be lining-up for proper jobs, with HM Customs and with plenty of prospects for the future, on the job training at first, probably!
 
JPRouve said:
no money is sling around what they are talking about is the money that is available if a country fail to pay back the money that was lent.
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Yes exactly, we will not be there for the EU to dip its hand into our pockets, so which other Euro zone countries are going to take up the strain and do the heavy-lifting?
Greece is still in deep trouble and so are some of the others; becoming bankrupt is still a more than likely possibility, especially when the tourist trade starts to suffer with all those immigrants still wandering around in Italy and Greece in particular, also if as predicted the pound continues to suffer, Brits will be holidaying at home, in fact only this week the projection for an increase in people taking holidays at home in Britain has been muted something like a 10% increase in advanced bookings and of course with the Ryan Air debacle not being sorted any time soon, even Brits who want to get to Europe won't be able to get cheapo flights, not looking so good for the Costa's is it?
 
I Believe said:
We are 'Billy no mates' already according to you, but with 65m market we will find someone to trade with don't go worrying, we're not.



All those struggling on zero hours contracts will be lining-up for proper jobs, with HM Customs and with plenty of prospects for the future, on the job training at first, probably!
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You haven't answered the question as to whom you will be trading with on 30th March 2019 or even the 30th March 2022 if you like -is the Uk going to starve while you try and line up someone to supply you some goods, that is after your WTO membership has been accepted - this is why the "remoaners" as you like to call them are concerned because the Brexiters have not thought for one second about the consequences of their actions.

Hadn't they better get a move on if you have only 18 months to train the customs officers, and the civil servants to deal with the documentation, the VAT returns and duties , don't forget the additional police for the huge traffic jams in Kent - an average of 4 lorries a minute pass through Dover although this will no doubt significantly reduce as trading falters .
 
I Believe said:
Yes exactly, we will not be there for the EU to dip its hand into our pockets, so which other Euro zone countries are going to take up the strain and do the heavy-lifting?
Greece is still in deep trouble and so are some of the others; becoming bankrupt is still a more than likely possibility, especially when the tourist trade starts to suffer with all those immigrants still wandering around in Italy and Greece in particular, also if as predicted the pound continues to suffer, Brits will be holidaying at home, in fact only this week the projection for an increase in people taking holidays at home in Britain has been muted something like a 10% increase in advanced bookings and of course with the Ryan Air debacle not being sorted any time soon, even Brits who want to get to Europe won't be able to get cheapo flights, not looking so good for the Costa's is it?
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You are not members of the ESM and we already know who is going to pay, the actual members of the damn mechanism.
 
I Believe said:
Yes exactly, we will not be there for the EU to dip its hand into our pockets, so which other Euro zone countries are going to take up the strain and do the heavy-lifting?
Greece is still in deep trouble and so are some of the others; becoming bankrupt is still a more than likely possibility, especially when the tourist trade starts to suffer with all those immigrants still wandering around in Italy and Greece in particular, also if as predicted the pound continues to suffer, Brits will be holidaying at home, in fact only this week the projection for an increase in people taking holidays at home in Britain has been muted something like a 10% increase in advanced bookings and of course with the Ryan Air debacle not being sorted any time soon, even Brits who want to get to Europe won't be able to get cheapo flights, not looking so good for the Costa's is it?
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With a no deal scenario planes won't be going in or out of the UK anyway - see Open Skies;)
 
Paul the Wolf said:
You haven't answered the question as to whom you will be trading with on 30th March 2019 or even the 30th March 2022
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Yes I have, the answer is whoever wants to trade with us, I must say you are worrying so much for someone who won't be here!

Paul the Wolf said:
Hadn't they better get a move on if you have only 18 months to train the customs officers, and the civil servants to deal with the documentation, the VAT returns and duties
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Yes, I will send them an email tomorrow, to 'get your finger out, start recruiting now!

Paul the Wolf said:
don't forget the additional police for the huge traffic jams in Kent - an average of 4 lorries a minute pass through Dover although this will no doubt significantly reduce as trading falters .
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Oh come on now Paul, this is not worthy of you, either we will have lots of traffic jams, or we won't, which is it?
 
I Believe said:
Yes I have, the answer is whoever wants to trade with us, I must say you are worrying so much for someone who won't be here!



Yes, I will send them an email tomorrow, to 'get your finger out, start recruiting now!



Oh come on now Paul, this is not worthy of you, either we will have lots of traffic jams, or we won't, which is it?
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From the start of this farce I wasn't going to be there, so I could have avoided the threads on Brexit altogether but I love a good laugh and can't avoid speaking my mind when something is so blindingly obviously ridiculous

Just offering a bit of friendly advice.

On the traffic jams, it reminded me of July 2016 when there were massive queues just because the French border control were short-staffed , imagine how little disruption is needed to cause chaos.
 
The Outsider said:
I believe its the interest of the Banks and Insurance companies that are the ones 'begging' for a deal.
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If the banks and insurances are working against the uk interest then why not kick them out?
 
devilish said:
You are making it sound that the eu needs the uk. However the one begging for a bold and close relationship is not the eu but the uk.

Could it be the case that the uk overplayed its importance with europe just as it had done with the US?
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"there are no winners, only losers" what did Tusk mean?
 
I Believe said:
Yes but do the ESM know they will have to pick up the 'risk levels' currently supported by Britain (I believe voluntarily) when we leave?
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I just realized something, the report is obsolete. The numbers are based on the fact that in 2012 the UK were AAA rated. Also this concerns the EIB and its bonds, not the ESM, at least not directly.
 
Stanley Road said:
"there are no winners, only losers" what did Tusk mean?
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He meant that the UK are a valuable partner, we are stronger with them than without, he also meant that the EU are a valuable tool for the UK and they are stronger within it than outside. There are no winners.
 
Stanley Road said:
"there are no winners, only losers" what did Tusk mean?
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That both the eu and the uk will suffer from this stupid act of self harm known as brexit. There again while the eu can afford sticking to its guns and values, same thing cant be said about the uk who seem to backpaddling furiously for a deal

As tusk also said the eu is glad that the uk is finally coming to its senses and moving away from the having the cake strategy. Hopefully the eu will give its go ahead to more talks but that can only be done if its satified that sufficient progress had been made
 
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