Will Scotland be welcome in the EU, with or without the famous Joel Barnet funding calculations? I bet Mrs Merkel can't wait to get to grips with that one!
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Will Scotland be welcome in the EU, with or without the famous Joel Barnet funding calculations? I bet Mrs Merkel can't wait to get to grips with that one!
I wonder if by the SNP's rules she would still be considered Scots and allowed to vote in Scotland?
I think Scotland and Northern Ireland may yet become a problem before this Brexit initiative is finalised and we just might see the break up of the United Kingdom or part of it.
At a certain point with Catalonia now looking like they are being going to become Independent the EU has a problem with recognising break away regions and this will heavily come to the fore in the next year.
Ooh Paul, you say the nicest things about brexiteers and you come up with such scintillating ideas!
Are you also planning to come back to 'Blighty' to help the 'Islington spaceman' run the country, I'm sure you'd be very welcome in Jeremy's team!
That's one person Stan.
What about the people who voted to stay in the UK just to remain in the saftey of the EU?
Will Scotland be welcome in the EU, with or without the famous Joel Barnet funding calculations? I bet Mrs Merkel can't wait to get to grips with that one!
I think that once the UK is out of the EU, what would be the correct thing to do is to let all three countries ( N Ireland, Wales and Scotland ) to have a referendum on whether to leave the United Kingdom and return to the EU.
And if the Scots vote to stay, then England could always declare itself to be independent from Scotland and let Scotland become some sort of equivalent to the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands if Frau Fatarse decides the EU can't afford them.
Certainly most English ( and perhaps the Welsh and Irish ) people would be happier with that arrangement than the anti-British threats and nonsence from the SNP every couple of years.
No I've no intention to ever live in the Uk again. As you may note that I was a Tory voter when I lived in the UK - and as I've said before I rate Corbyn no higher than any of the other idiots currently trying or wanting to run the country.
Brexit has little to do with Tories or Labour.
When are you returning to the UK from Cloud Cuckoo Land?
Ooh well done Paul, smart reply, getting better with your ripostes
Glad to hear you haven't gone over to the dark side, next you would be telling me you support that other Club that claims to represent Manchester !
Me too - no intention of going back to the UK, ever....Just the regular visits to see our children when they invite us.
But I'd disagree with you, Paul.
Seems to me - admittedly from the outside - that BREXIT is most definitely split down party lines. Tories perhaps 60/40 for ; Labourites perhaps 40/60 against ; and the Liberals and SNP 100% against.
The problem is that it is only the Politicos whose opinions are heard on radio and TV - not those parties' supporters, whose only chance to be heard is at the ballot box.
If Blair, Brown and Cameron and, of course, Slimeball Juncker had only listened instead of preaching, the UK would never have voted to leave
But I'd disagree with you, Paul.
Seems to me - admittedly from the outside - that BREXIT is most definitely split down party lines. Tories perhaps 60/40 for ; Labourites perhaps 40/60 against ; and the Liberals and SNP 100% against.
The problem is that it is only the Politicos whose opinions are heard on radio and TV - not those parties' supporters, whose only chance to be heard is at the ballot box.
If Blair, Brown and Cameron and, of course, Slimeball Juncker had only listened instead of preaching, the UK would never have voted to leave
Juncker really doesn't have much power in fairness.
Ooh well done Paul, smart reply, getting better with your ripostes
Glad to hear you haven't gone over to the dark side, next you would be telling me you support that other Club that claims to represent Manchester !
See you haven't left yet
So you do agree with me Labour and Tory are split, maybe not straight down the middle.
I don't know any traditional Tory voters who voted for Brexit, the only people I know that did were traditional Labour voters that were avid Blair followers and now hate him and also voted Tory in this year's election.
There is no way Scotland would ever be allowed to join the EU, certainly not on any favourable terms. This is an illusion. Firstly the EU is losing the 2nd biggest contributor, so countries like Germany & France will hardly be waving the flag to more countries with their hands out to support them. Secondly, & most importantly (which the current crisis in Spain brings home) is there is no way the likes of Spain, Belgium, Italy etc will ever support their membership as they will be concerned parts of their countries would do the same. I know the EU has come out & said Catalonia would not be allowed back in the EU (strange as it is the most profitable part of Spain unlike Scotland) though this would open a legal minefield if they allowed a country like Scotland in & blocked them.
Another nail in the coffin of the EU dictatorship, which must be good.
Another nail in the coffin of the EU dictatorship, which must be good.
Traditional labour who supported Blair and now vote Tory, I think the actual definition of those people is utter fecktards rather than traditional labour.
Someone must have said to May 'F' off
I know quite a few traditional Tories' who voted Brexit, in fact my two neighbours (either side) did, in fact I might have been convinced by them myself, true 'blues'.
Well now here's a turn up Paul, something we might both agree on?
I wouldn't say it was only traditional labour voters, p*** off at Blair, who voted out, otherwise the margin of 4% would not have been reached, surely a few previously uncommitted voters as well, people who have never voted before, chose Brexit, because they could see that by retaining the pound, and not joining the euro-zone, Britain would always be in the second division of the EU, going where it was pushed by the Euro countries, who quite naturally would look after their currency needs first. They also of course recognised Blair's arrogance over worries on immigration and he had opened the gates to literally thousands of migrants and there was a hope amongst some traditional Labour voters the Tories would stop that, and so many of them shed the habits of a lifetime and noses-held and fingers crossed they voted Tory, but of course the Tory's won't do anything of the sort, because immigration especially of the unskilled or limited skilled variety, provides cheap labour.
The Labour party meanwhile was fighting its own internal battles and the 'Cloud cuckoo land' lot, you referred to in an earlier post, won out! On balance, I think you are probably right to stay away from Britain, don't think you going to like what results when the Brexit dust settles, not a place for the faint hearted!
That could be good for Brexit, another country not in the EU or WTO looking for a quick trade deal.
No, it wasn't only traditional labour voters who now don't like Blair, I knew he was a twit 20 years ago but at the time he was the best thing since sliced bread to Labour supporters. Britain were never in the second division of the EU, they were at the forefront - unfortunately they decided to elect a bunch of idiots as MEPs and because they didn't do their job, they decided to blame the EU.
Regarding immigration, one minute the UK proudly announces it has very low unemployment and the next blames immigration for them taking all the jobs.
Now if the immigrants are all made unwelcome and they leave in their droves - doctors, nurses , people doing jobs the Brits don't want to do like picking fruit, cleaning and so on, what happens then , will the few remaining Brits that are out of work do these jobs, so everyone can be in work, no-one scrounging off the state, everyone paying their dues - sounds like utopia, or is it CCL.
When the Brexit dust settles the pre-referendum labour voters will return to vote Labour post Brexit when they realise they've been duped
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Im going to sound like paul here but they are all idiots knowing cameron was promising a ref
Sorry....Just thought when you said that BREXIT isn't a Tory or Labour thing....
All the Daily HateMail and Express readers are Tory....Likewise the Torygraph....None of them are likely to be Grauniad readers....
And a LEAVE vote was always on the cards.....
And Labour voters read the Financial Times - the gullibles read the Sun, Express and Mail - it's what they want to hear.
The Guardian has a tiny circulation. The Mirror was traditionally labour
The Metro is owned by the Mail as well , add the Star and the Telegraph that makes about 70-80% supposedly read by Tories
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I don't go skiing as there's a chance of avalanche, its not on the cards but it could happen.
Voting for that idiot Cameron was the stupidest thing one could have done. To say 'we didn't think people would vote leave' is just the worst excuse I have ever heard.
So the jocks got what they deserved and so did the uk, end of really.
Do you ever go outside?
Sort of proves the point that most Tory voters are / were anti-EU ( like me, although Stanley will be glad to hear I've never voted Tory in my life ) or pro-BREXIT, like many who were voting with their hearts maybe more than with their heads. So won't agree totally that they were/are gullible.
I think what was interesting, and I've mentioned this before, is that only 10 Labour MPs were supporting LEAVE but included quite a few of the old Labour dinosaurs, the dyed-in-the-wool, bare knuckle fighting Labour MPs - as opposed to the so-called New Labour MPs who worshiped Blair.
Ronnie Campbell - Blyth Valley
John Cryer - Leyton and Wanstead
Frank Field - Birkenhead
Roger Godsiff - Birmingham Hall Green
Kate Hoey - Vauxhall
Kelvin Hopkins - Luton North
John Mann - Bassetlaw
Dennis Skinner - Bolsover
Graham Stringer - Blackley and Broughton
Gisela Stuart - Birmingham Edgbaston
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Think you'll find that the majority of Tory MPs were pro-Remain as well
https://www.ft.com/content/408da138-550b-11e7-80b6-9bfa4c1f83d2?mhq5j=e6
Yes yet their constituencies were not, about 58% for Brexit.
Yes...Agreed...Probably still are, but AT LAST are trying to do what the majority in the UK said they wanted to happen....
If only they ( and the all the other politicos - left / right, UK / EU / USA ) would LISTEN to what their electorates want instead of driving on with their own and the parties' agenda and dogma, then we wouldn't have the EU the way it now is ; BREXIT wouldn't have even been a topic : UKIP wouldn't exist ; 25% of the electorate here wouldn't have felt the need to vote for Le Pen in the first ballot ; Wilders would still be playing for PSV Reserves, etc, etc....
There is a limit of what you can listen. The government is there as well, or should be there, as well to protect us from our own stupidity
Yes - May and Boris are perfect examples - they've both been pro-Brexit and pro-Remain - if tomorrow it suited their personal future they'd be back to pro-Remain again. Everything is based on half-truths and lies and the last couple of years has proven that the majority of the electorate , and yes not just in the UK, cannot distinguish what is the truth and what is lies and yet they vote for whatever because they choose to believe what they want to believe and usually those who shout the loudest.
Which means either there's something wrong with the system, or people voted for their MP despite him/her being of a different view
Yes i just took the dog out and got rained on. Did not die and there was no grapes of wrath scenario when i got back. I knew i was taking little risk.
But they still delivered brexit. Well done tories
I genuinely worry for you since that day where you described dutch birthdays. Stay strong.
@Full bodied red listening to the electorate is ridiculous, they'd have the death penalty back for misdemeanours and a million other shit ideas.
Like Brexit.
Like Brexit.
Dutch circle partys are worse than any brexit scenarioI genuinely worry for you since that day where you described dutch birthdays. Stay strong.
Death penalty for a pm breaking promises? Sounds good to me.
https://www.ft.com/content/92bb5636-a95b-11e7-ab55-27219df83c97
Who needs the eu when you have a close relationship with the US?
Who needs the eu when you have a close relationship with the US?
Every time a Brexit argument is debunked, the goalposts change.
Business means business especially in capitalist US.
The uk had the best of two worlds. It acted as the US mouthpiece in the EU a service which was well compensated for and it was an EU member which protected it just in case the US grew greedy. Now it leaving the EU and it lost an important leverage with the US. Just ask the kurds or the south vietnamese on how the US treats friends that it doesnt need anymore