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Will Spurs finish in the top four in the upcoming season?


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Tomorrow's papers will be about which big club Poch will be eying up next I'm sure.

International break could not have come at a better time, our players are dropping like flies at the moment.

Very true ... and not just to hopefully allow some players to return from injury, but also to let the players catch their breath after the intensity - including emotional intensity - of the last few weeks with Real Madrid and all. That draining intensity almost saw us drop points against Palace.
 
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Tomorrow's papers will be about which big club Poch will be eying up next I'm sure.

International break could not have come at a better time, our players are dropping like flies at the moment.

Sure he has done well putting a young team together for Spurs, and they play very good football, I admire what he has done and the way Spurs play. But he has never won anything, not at Southampton not at Spurs, not at Espanyol as far as I can recall. His away record is 1 win in 16 games against the other top 6 sides in the PL with his aggressive style of football. This doesnt scream big club pedigree to me. Maybe it's just me but I will take a Jose 'boring' draw away from home vs an attractive aggressive pressing game loss.

And bringing up young academy players into the first team is not the same as managing a big club full of superstars. I think Spurs is about his level for now, if Spurs go on to win a few trophies then we can start talking manager of Real, PSG, etc.
 
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Sure he has done well putting a young team together for Spurs, and they play very good football, I admire what he has done and the way Spurs play. But he has never won anything, not at Southampton not at Spurs, not at Espanyol as far as I can recall. His away record is 1 win in 16 games against the other top 6 sides in the PL with his aggressive style of football. This doesnt scream big club pedigree to me. Maybe it's just me but I will take a Jose 'boring' draw away from home vs an attractive aggressive pressing game loss.

And bringing up young academy players into the first team is not the same as managing a big club full of superstars. I think Spurs is about his level for now, if Spurs go on to win a few trophies then we can start talking manager of Real, PSG, etc.

This is my main concern with Poch, but I have to say it seems he is adapting his approach in those games. And the games v Real Madrid and Dortmund for example shows a style where he is more willing to counter and concede possession and still have a solid game plan. He is still improving as a manager in my opinion, but there are still questions he needs to answer, something I think he will, but of course I understand where the criticism is coming from.
 
Sure he has done well putting a young team together for Spurs, and they play very good football, I admire what he has done and the way Spurs play. But he has never won anything, not at Southampton not at Spurs, not at Espanyol as far as I can recall. His away record is 1 win in 16 games against the other top 6 sides in the PL with his aggressive style of football. This doesnt scream big club pedigree to me. Maybe it's just me but I will take a Jose 'boring' draw away from home vs an attractive aggressive pressing game loss.

And bringing up young academy players into the first team is not the same as managing a big club full of superstars. I think Spurs is about his level for now, if Spurs go on to win a few trophies then we can start talking manager of Real, PSG, etc.

Except your opinion isn't based in any reality. Mourinho finds it just as difficult away from home as Poch.

MAN UNITED AWAY TO BIG SIX TEAMS IN THE PL UNDER MOURINHO

Seven matches played

Three draws

Four losses

One goal scored

Nine goals conceded

In fact. 0 wins in 7 games. Extrapolated across 16 games and may look an even worse record.

So for all United fans criticism of Poch's away record v top 6, Mourinho's doesn't look much better. The fact of the matter is, games away v the top 6 are very difficult so even the best managers are more likely to lose or draw them.
 
Sure Jose hasnt been amazing away from home with Man Utd, but 3 points is 3 points. You probably have to look back over his Chelsea stints as well to get an accurate reading over 16 games. But away results are just one of the negatives for Pochettino, if he had these kind of honours.

Community Shield 2005-06, FA Cup 2006-07, League Cup 2004-05, 2006-07, 2014-15, Premier League 2004-05, 2005-06, 2014-15 with Chelsea; Coppa Italia 2009-10, Italian Serie A 2008-09, 2009-10, Italian Super Cup 2008-09, UEFA Champions League 2009-10 with Internazionale; Copa del Rey 2010-11, La Liga 2011-12 with Real Madrid. You could probably overlook some poor away form. But Pochettino's honours are .....

Being a relatively young manager he has plenty of time to adapt his game plan and philosophy and win a few trophies. As hellohello stated he looks like he is adapting his tactics/formations and game plan depending upon opposition. He has the makings of a great manager but until he starts winning things I just dont see him being 'one of the most sought after managers in Europe' for big clubs like RM and PSG. At least, not yet.
 
Away Stats:

Manager......(Games / Points).......Pts Per Game................GF / GA...........GF to GA

Klopp.....................(7 / 9).......................1.29........................10 / 16................1.6
Pep........................(6 / 7).......................1.17........................6 / 8....................1.3
Conte.....................(6 / 7).......................1.17........................6 / 10..................1.7
Jose.......................(7 / 3).......................0.43........................1 / 9....................9.0
Pochettino...............(6 / 2).......................0.33........................2 / 4....................2.0
Wenger...................(8 / 2).......................0.25........................5 / 18..................3.6

GF to GA = Every goal you score the opponent scores X amount
 
Sure he has done well putting a young team together for Spurs, and they play very good football, I admire what he has done and the way Spurs play. But he has never won anything, not at Southampton not at Spurs, not at Espanyol as far as I can recall. His away record is 1 win in 16 games against the other top 6 sides in the PL with his aggressive style of football. This doesnt scream big club pedigree to me. Maybe it's just me but I will take a Jose 'boring' draw away from home vs an attractive aggressive pressing game loss.

And bringing up young academy players into the first team is not the same as managing a big club full of superstars. I think Spurs is about his level for now, if Spurs go on to win a few trophies then we can start talking manager of Real, PSG, etc.

Why would Pochettino want to manage PSG? They play in an inferior, far less competitive league and compared to Spurs will shortly have an inferior stadium of much smaller capacity.

Yes, they have some big name players, but then Spurs have some star players of our own.

It's not even as if Pochettino is looking to move on ... by all accounts he is very happy to stay with Spurs.
 
I still think Pochettino reminds me of a young Wenger. I don't expect him to stick at Spurs for the rest of his career, but I do think he looks committed to Spurs for the foreseeable future. He mentions youth development way too much, you'd think someone who was open to moving he'd be thinking far more short term.
 
Why would Pochettino want to manage PSG? They play in an inferior, far less competitive league and compared to Spurs will shortly have an inferior stadium of much smaller capacity.

Yes, they have some big name players, but then Spurs have some star players of our own.

It's not even as if Pochettino is looking to move on ... by all accounts he is very happy to stay with Spurs.

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I don't think he's especially motivated by money - he gets paid a good whack at Spurs already. I see him as more motivated by interest in developing a particular footballing project ... such as that he has at Spurs.
 
I don't think he's especially motivated by money - he gets paid a good whack at Spurs already. I see him as more motivated by interest in developing a particular footballing project ... such as that he has at Spurs.

You’re massively naive if you think Poch wouldn’t consider joining PSG if he was offered the chance. He’s also a former player.
 
Sure he has done well putting a young team together for Spurs, and they play very good football, I admire what he has done and the way Spurs play. But he has never won anything, not at Southampton not at Spurs, not at Espanyol as far as I can recall. His away record is 1 win in 16 games against the other top 6 sides in the PL with his aggressive style of football. This doesnt scream big club pedigree to me. Maybe it's just me but I will take a Jose 'boring' draw away from home vs an attractive aggressive pressing game loss.

And bringing up young academy players into the first team is not the same as managing a big club full of superstars. I think Spurs is about his level for now, if Spurs go on to win a few trophies then we can start talking manager of Real, PSG, etc.
Many managers have been eyed for top jobs before having won something, otherwise you just go through the same cycle of coaches and we'll end up with Ancelotti or Capello. I am sure PSG and whoever is eyeing him up see his qualities and potential. I do feel turning Spurs into contenders year on year is valued. Spurs are coming against some financial juggernaughts in United, Chelsea and City and he has got them within contention for a couple seasons and maybe again. Should he have the financial backing where you can buy a Pogba or Lukaku every season, you never know, he may be able to go that bit further
 
You’re massively naive if you think Poch wouldn’t consider joining PSG if he was offered the chance. He’s also a former player.

I've already given two good reasons why PSG aren't all that attractive: inferior league and soon-to-be inferior stadium.

You clearly haven't read all of the recent comments from Poch about his strong commitment to the Spurs project and how really happy he is with the way things are going. He's clearly staying for the next 2 or 3 years at the least.

If PSG offered him the job this summer, he might consider it for all of 10 seconds, then turn them down flat.
 
It's easy for people to claim that x will leave spurs for x reason. And I'm not saying it's not a possibility, but I agree with Glaston on this one and I don't think Pochettino would leave for PSG in the near future, or any other club for that matter. It ultimately comes down to belief though so it isn't that interesting of a discussion and I'm not particularly interested in banging my head against the 'but he can get more money elsewhere' argument.
 
It's easy for people to claim that x will leave spurs for x reason. And I'm not saying it's not a possibility, but I agree with Glaston on this one and I don't think Pochettino would leave for PSG in the near future, or any other club for that matter. It ultimately comes down to belief though so it isn't that interesting of a discussion and I'm not particularly interested in banging my head against the 'but he can get more money elsewhere' argument.

Emery is not likely to be there next season, and it is quite likely that Pochettino will be their top choice considering he has mentioned PSG is his dream. From Poch's perspective, he needs to win some cups fast, and what better way than surefire ligue 1 titles while leading PSG into the CL semis? It will boost his credibility regardless of how "easy" it is to win titles in France.

IMO, the move makes too much sense for it to not happen by 2019 or so at max. But I am not saying it will definitely happen, of course, football's still got some romance left in it and Poch may want to stay to build something special at Spurs after all.
 
This thread makes no sense at times.

Poch is terrible and losses all the big away games and has won nothing.

Then straight to: Spurs won't keep him because another club will poach him.

:confused::confused::confused:

Which is it?
 
This thread makes no sense at times.

Poch is terrible and losses all the big away games and has won nothing.

Then straight to: Spurs won't keep him because another club will poach him.

:confused::confused::confused:

Which is it?
He can both be lacking in pedigree and still be too good for spurs at the same time.

What is so hard to understand?

PS: I don't think he has a problem with big away games, just pointing out the obvious flaw in your question.
 
...and compared to Spurs will shortly have an inferior stadium of much smaller capacity.
Oh, come on. Firstly, Parc des Princes seats 48,000. It's hardly Turf Moor or some other pocket sized stadium. Secondly, they are looking to expand its capacity to 60,000. Thirdly, do you actually think a manager (or players for that matter) give an actual toss about the flashiness of the stadium the play in? As long as the facilities that he and the team spend any time in are of an acceptable standard, I don't think he cares about how comfortable the VIPs are, or how cool the fans think it is to watch the players as they walk through the tunnel.

I'm not saying Pochettino is likely to go there, but citing the stadium as a reason to stay at Spurs comes off as incredibly desperate (and kind of strange, as you present several actually good reasons for why he might not be willing to make the move.)
 
It's a great credit to his quality as a manager that the so called 'big' teams around Europe are looking at him. Rightly so as I think he is one of the most promising young managers in world football right now.
 
Oh, come on. Firstly, Parc des Princes seats 48,000. It's hardly Turf Moor or some other pocket sized stadium. Secondly, they are looking to expand its capacity to 60,000. Thirdly, do you actually think a manager (or players for that matter) give an actual toss about the flashiness of the stadium the play in? As long as the facilities that he and the team spend any time in are of an acceptable standard, I don't think he cares about how comfortable the VIPs are, or how cool the fans think it is to watch the players as they walk through the tunnel.

I'm not saying Pochettino is likely to go there, but citing the stadium as a reason to stay at Spurs comes off as incredibly desperate (and kind of strange, as you present several actually good reasons for why he might not be willing to make the move.)

Yeah, this.

I don't know if Poch would go to PSG. These types of clubs are far more attractive to players than managers. Same with more of the top CL teams.
 
It's a great credit to his quality as a manager that the so called 'big' teams around Europe are looking at him. Rightly so as I think he is one of the most promising young managers in world football right now.

Why so-called? I presume you are talking about Barca/Madrid. They are big teams mate.
 
I only said so-called because part of the discussion seemed to resolve around PSG's interest and to me they are not a big club in European terms.

Fair enough, sounds weird but I just can't picture him at a club with that much resources (City, PSG level). It would be interesting to see if he'd still rely on picking players from the academy if he did have all of that available to him.

Would you say his development of Spurs youngsters has been more optional or because of Spurs' financial situation? You are paying your players significantly lower for a reason. That being said I have heard reports of him watching U18 games and what not during the evenings.
 
Fair enough, sounds weird but I just can't picture him at a club with that much resources (City, PSG level). It would be interesting to see if he'd still rely on picking players from the academy if he did have all of that available to him.

Would you say his development of Spurs youngsters has been more optional or because of lack of investment? That being said I have heard reports of him watching U18 games and what not during the evenings.

I think it could be partly due to Spurs wanting him to make use of the academy when possible but also partly due to his own philosophy as a manager and his focus on improving players. I think this is why Spurs has so far been a really great fit for him as he appears to have fully embraced what the chairman would want him to do, not just because the club have asked him to but also because he wants to do it.
 
I think Pochettino will leave Spurs within two seasons, but not because of Spurs itself. I think he will grow very tired of the level of competition in the league, where certain clubs can throw cash at everything and undermine what he is trying to achieve in London. In the end, he might feel that he has done the maximum effort and achieved absolutely nothing for it. Football is about winning trophies and it is extremely dufficult to do so in England - where you have Man City and Chelsea backed by rich owners, as well as United with enormous financial power.

Imagine Chelsea doing worse than Spurs this year, then suddenly they spend 250M on players including snatching two players Pochettino would have wanted, or City or United for that matter. Of course his motivation is going to go down, especially when he knows the same work would have yielded a trophy at another club or in another country.

And please cut the crap about the new stadium! Who cares about a new stadium? It’s still not going to be close to being the biggest in the world, or England, or even London! Like all new stadiums it’s going to be a corporate arena designed to make money - Pochettino wouldn’t give a shit - after this year they will be playing for less people anyway, so he’s already seen big, new and shiny. Wembley too have the Spurs-logo on it this year - and it still doesn’t feel like home.
 
Oh, come on. Firstly, Parc des Princes seats 48,000. It's hardly Turf Moor or some other pocket sized stadium. Secondly, they are looking to expand its capacity to 60,000. Thirdly, do you actually think a manager (or players for that matter) give an actual toss about the flashiness of the stadium the play in? As long as the facilities that he and the team spend any time in are of an acceptable standard, I don't think he cares about how comfortable the VIPs are, or how cool the fans think it is to watch the players as they walk through the tunnel.

I'm not saying Pochettino is likely to go there, but citing the stadium as a reason to stay at Spurs comes off as incredibly desperate (and kind of strange, as you present several actually good reasons for why he might not be willing to make the move.)

"Looking to expand" is not the same as actually doing it. And PSG don't even own the stadium - they are merely tenants.

In around 8 months from now Spurs new stadium will be hosting 27% more fans than PSG's stadium does, including the biggest single-tier stand in the UK. More importantly, the stadium will be state-of-the-art in every respect. And yes, I do think players and managers pay some attention to the home stadium that they'll be playing in ... not least because it will form a significant part of their lives whilst they are at the club concerned.

You are yet another poster who clearly hasn't done his homework before posting ... because Pochettino has several times cited the new stadium project as one reason why he loves being at Spurs. For example:

"I think it's amazing, beautiful, so difficult to find the words. I can say thank you to Daniel, because that dream is amazing."

"... I think it will be a dream come true"

"It is not only the facilities, it is how Daniel is driving that project. A few weeks ago, myself, Jesús and my staff were at the new stadium with Daniel and the architect, and you can feel that it is not just an empty structure – there is a soul and love; there is care in every single detail. That is what excites me the most.”

"I love to work and feel part of the project; to share and create something special. I feel very important at Tottenham, very comfortable and I enjoy the journey a lot. Today, I don’t think about a future elsewhere.”
 
Why would Pochettino want to manage PSG? They play in an inferior, far less competitive league and compared to Spurs will shortly have an inferior stadium of much smaller capacity.

Yes, they have some big name players, but then Spurs have some star players of our own.

It's not even as if Pochettino is looking to move on ... by all accounts he is very happy to stay with Spurs.
Pochettino wanted to coach PSG way before he knew anything about Tottenham.

Besides the new Tottenham stadium has no chance of ever matching the legendary status of the Parc des Princes, those are things you can't buy.

I agree with you on the main point though, Pochettino and Spurs look like a good match for the time being.
 
I think Pochettino will leave Spurs within two seasons, but not because of Spurs itself. I think he will grow very tired of the level of competition in the league, where certain clubs can throw cash at everything and undermine what he is trying to achieve in London. In the end, he might feel that he has done the maximum effort and achieved absolutely nothing for it. Football is about winning trophies and it is extremely dufficult to do so in England - where you have Man City and Chelsea backed by rich owners, as well as United with enormous financial power.

Imagine Chelsea doing worse than Spurs this year, then suddenly they spend 250M on players including snatching two players Pochettino would have wanted, or City or United for that matter. Of course his motivation is going to go down, especially when he knows the same work would have yielded a trophy at another club or in another country.

And please cut the crap about the new stadium! Who cares about a new stadium? It’s still not going to be close to being the biggest in the world, or England, or even London! Like all new stadiums it’s going to be a corporate arena designed to make money - Pochettino wouldn’t give a shit - after this year they will be playing for less people anyway, so he’s already seen big, new and shiny. Wembley too have the Spurs-logo on it this year - and it still doesn’t feel like home.

Pochettino does. I refer you my post #1909
 
Pochettino wanted to coach PSG way before he knew anything about Tottenham.

Besides the new Tottenham stadium has no chance of ever matching the legendary status of the Parc des Princes, those are things you can't buy.

I agree with you on the main point though, Pochettino and Spurs look like a good match for the time being.

The "legendary status of the Parc des Princes" .... in which PSG are merely tenants.
 
The "legendary status of the Parc des Princes" .... in which PSG are merely tenants.
Is there a point you're trying to make?

It's an Emphyteutic lease, not a simple one and that status may evolve before the 2024 olympics.
 
I think it could be partly due to Spurs wanting him to make use of the academy when possible but also partly due to his own philosophy as a manager and his focus on improving players. I think this is why Spurs has so far been a really great fit for him as he appears to have fully embraced what the chairman would want him to do, not just because the club have asked him to but also because he wants to do it.

I imagine Levy loves him! I do think he will want to stay with Spurs at least to see a season in the new stadium, but as others have said, if he still keeps falling just short but seeing big money spent at other clubs, it must be incredibly frustrating. Temptation to join them if he cant beat them would be high, especially at a club he used to play for.
 
Pochettino does. I refer you my post #1909

Get over yourself man, it's a bloody stadium - and not a particularly big one given that it's being built now and is located in London. Where your players will spend four hours every other week - mainly in the locker room coming straight from the bus - and on the pitch of course. Arsenal said exactly the same about Emirates - and who gives a single crap about Emirates a few years later other than saying it's an arena lacking atmosphere? All stable Premier League-clubs will have big or shiny new stadiums over time, and more importantly, training facilities to die for. Even Aston Villa and Sunderland have fantastic training facilities. You think Pochettino will spend much time in the club shop or dine at the new restaurants or brag about the free WiFi? Of course he thinks it's cool that it's being built (what the hell could he otherwise have said!?), but don't think it will for a second cloud his judgment over a potential move in the future. There are like 70 football stadiums in Europe with the capacity of around 50K and more, the new Spurs home will not even be in the top 20 on its inception day and who knows in ten years. You can't even fill Wembley against the lesser teams in the Premier League, which is kind of weak when you have a shitload of tourists coming in from all angles in London - so it makes sense that you aren't building a bigger stadium.

The "legendary status of the Parc des Princes" .... in which PSG are merely tenants.

That's rich coming from a fan of one of the current, whoring clubs of the Premier League without its own home.
 
I wonder why Kyle Walker didn't want to stay for this new stadium and went to a club that don't own their stadium. Surely everyone in the game cares about who owns the structure they play or manage within.
 
Get over yourself man, it's a bloody stadium - and not a particularly big one given that it's being built now and is located in London. Where your players will spend four hours every other week - mainly in the locker room coming straight from the bus - and on the pitch of course. Arsenal said exactly the same about Emirates - and who gives a single crap about Emirates a few years later other than saying it's an arena lacking atmosphere? All stable Premier League-clubs will have big or shiny new stadiums over time, and more importantly, training facilities to die for. Even Aston Villa and Sunderland have fantastic training facilities. You think Pochettino will spend much time in the club shop or dine at the new restaurants or brag about the free WiFi? Of course he thinks it's cool that it's being built (what the hell could he otherwise have said!?), but don't think it will for a second cloud his judgment over a potential move in the future. There are like 70 football stadiums in Europe with the capacity of around 50K and more, the new Spurs home will not even be in the top 20 on its inception day and who knows in ten years. You can't even fill Wembley against the lesser teams in the Premier League, which is kind of weak when you have a shitload of tourists coming in from all angles in London - so it makes sense that you aren't building a bigger stadium.



That's rich coming from a fan of one of the current, whoring clubs of the Premier League without its own home.

Lol ... for just one season, whilst our new home is being built ... and you try to make this a serious point :lol:

The original point, which I stand by, is that Pochettino has bought into the Spurs project big-time ... and that this project includes the new stadium complex, not to mention the continuing development of our new training centre, alongside the continuing development of our first team and academy teams. The new stadium is not a decisive factor for Pochettino, but it is a factor.

The idea that Pochettino is going to abandon all this anytime soon for some sugar-daddy, stadium-renting club playing in an inferior league ... it's a total non-starter. It isn't going to happen. It's not the challenge he wants.

It doesn't especially matter that our new stadium will not be amongst the top 20 globally in terms of capacity (it will, however, be amongst the top 12 in Europe as far as club football is concerned). What does matter is that it will be amongst the very, very best stadia globally in terms of its facilities, acoustics and spectator experience. And it will hugely increase the development potential for the club in terms of income (match-day, sponsorship, commercial sales and so on) which in turn will feed into the scope for player wages and transfer fees. This in turn will provide Pochettino with further options for squad development, which I'm sure he's aware of.
 
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I wonder why Kyle Walker didn't want to stay for this new stadium and went to a club that don't own their stadium. Surely everyone in the game cares about who owns the structure they play or manage within.

I believe we were talking about Pochettino. In any case, Walker did not leave to play in an inferior league. Nor does one swallow a summer make.
 
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