And that’s because none of those clubs have anywhere near as high a profile as City have. You do realise it’s 2017 and not 2008 don’t you?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
And that’s because none of those clubs have anywhere near as high a profile as City have. You do realise it’s 2017 and not 2008 don’t you?
I obviously wasn’t comparing those to City, none of those clubs have unusually high commercial revenue compared with similar clubs. It would be odd if a team like Everton or Newcastle were making far more than Southampton or West Ham for example but they’re not.
City are making far more than Chelsea and probably more than United if you exclude the shirt/kit deals for both teams.
That match was reffed digracefully
It’s already been explained in recent posts that City have some incredibly astute business people at the club and that gives them the edge when negotiating deals. Who would you sooner have? Ron Gourlay at Chelsea or Ferran Soriano at City? I see Gourlay doesn’t work at Chelsea anymore but when he did, he held a similar role to Soriano at City and I know who I’d sooner have. Not only that, as someone else mentioned, there’s also Khaldoon who, along with City’s owner, will have some very high profile business contacts. And while I’m sure Woodward does a decent job over at United, does he have access to the same level of contacts? How many other clubs were in a position to strike that deal with China Media Capital when City’s owner sold them a 13% stake?
I said it the other day but in purely business terms, even the biggest football clubs generate a pitiful amount of money when you consider how many customers (fans) they have. They could all turn over more if they put their minds to it.
Fascinating breakdown, cheers for the share
It certainly illustrates that had they converted their chances better last year their season would've ended much differently in all competitions. Just as similarly, should they struggle to revert to questionable form in front of goal, they will be faced with disappointment as well. A big reason why I wonder if they will make a big play for Alexis in winter
The people who work on City’s sponsors are the most valuable people in the sport then, more valuable than Messi and Neymar even if they’re legitimately earning you £60/£70m per season more than Chelsea. Clearly the Glazers and Abramovich don’t have the contacts or just can’t hire anybody who does and are missing out on tens of millions because of it.
You can believe that if you want but I don’t.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ster-city-ffp-image-right-deals-a7621641.html
You have to factor in the political landscape in to things as well. The China deal for example is as much a Middle East to China deal as much as it is City to China. When your owners have the wealth that ours do then deals are easier to come by because of the nature of behind the scenes agreements on the back of those in to the club.
It happens everywhere and is normal business practice, even in football, it just hasn’t been done to this scale and success before. The way I see it, if you imagine our owners and management team at the helm of United, do you think your revenue would be the same as it is now? I suspect it would be much increased. Scary thought actually.
Ian Herbert doing his usual and being a Herbert - in this instance reporting something nearly 3 years after it became common knowledge (shame he missed the accompanying Titanic pic) when City were sanctioned by UEFA for breaching FFP. Since then, UEFA have given us a clean bill of health on that score, unless you think they’re in on it too.
Back to Herbert - I must admit that his is the only article I’ve ever read that has claimed City were paid a win bonus for losing the FA Cup Final in 2013 and I’d be most interested to know his source for that. As far as I know, when detailing the sanctions I can’t recall UEFA making mention of it. They did, however, as part of the settlement agreement ask City not to increase the value of those 2 second tier sponsorship deals Herbert mentions. Nice to see he can get something right but that’s not exactly difficult as like I said, UEFA made that public at the time.
Shhhhhh...don’t go giving Mansour any ideas. Cue him selling City to the Oyston family and buying United
Unexpected loss against Leicester incoming?
Invested?
That's one way of describing money simply gifted to the club by a sugar daddy I suppose.
Invested?
That's one way of describing money simply gifted to the club by a sugar daddy I suppose.
Well since the owners are here for the long haul, Im pretty sure that at some point, if we keep moving in our current direction the owners are going to be reaping a healthy profit on the "gifted" money, don't know about you but I'd call that an investment.
5-1 trashing incoming.
Invested?
That's one way of describing money simply gifted to the club by a sugar daddy I suppose.
To put some figures on it, the accumulated audited "gifts" in the accounts totals £1.2billion. The sale of a 13% share for £265million valued the club in excess of £2billion. If sold entirely that represents one tidy profit. Not bad for a gift...
The books show that the Etisalat, Aabar etc. deals when put together come out to be 10 to 15m which is nothing really, even if you take that out it's still a healthy revenue when compared to competition. Unless people think that these businesses can pull out numbers from their asses without any consequences or if the likes of Heinekin, Nissan, Nexen etc. are Abu Dhabi funded, there's no reason to not believe that the business side of things at city are second to none.
For all those saying that "City have just won one PL in last 4 years, how are they competing in the market with the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, United etc." should realize that the companies don't just invest funds looking at the past success, I mean if that was the case then the milan clubs would be the biggest dogs in the market, It surely is a factor no denying in that but it's the overall project that's taken into account, the chinese deal helps alot in this because it opens a massive market to exploit for these 3rd party companies.
They have almost doubled the value on the asset they "invested" in, if that's not investment then idk what is.
For all those saying that "City have just won one PL in last 4 years, how are they competing in the market with the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, United etc." should realize that the companies don't just invest funds looking at the past success, I mean if that was the case then the milan clubs would be the biggest dogs in the market, It surely is a factor no denying in that but it's the overall project that's taken into account, the chinese deal helps alot in this because it opens a massive market to exploit for these 3rd party companies.
Invested?
That's one way of describing money simply gifted to the club by a sugar daddy I suppose.
They have almost doubled the value on the asset they "invested" in, if that's not investment then idk what is.
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2 man midfield? no chance
Not sure whether that’s the whole CFG or just City but either way this is a valid point that often gets overlooked and that is that the money invested hasn’t simply been swallowed up - the value of the club has risen exponentially since it was bought for something in the region of £200 million and if Mansour was selling it tomorrow, he’d get back every penny he’s ever invested and more besides. Glaston obviously doesn’t seem to realise this and probably thinks the money has just been thrown around like confetti in a scattergun approach that has no long-term goal. It’s not our fault that Spurs themselves have a multi-billionaire owner who is such a tight twat that he expects every fooker else to pay for their new stadium.
Absolutely, but we can also recognise that’s partly to do with the rise of the TV deal, as well as some on pitch success, during their time at the club, the value of every club in the PL has risen during this time and the owners benefitted hugely from that. I don’t think they’ll need to invest any further funds directly in to us again and the value of clubs in the PL has further room to grow.
I can only imagine the impact of the next TV deal of Amazon decide to take on Sky, BT tried and failed in part, but pushed the value up significantly.
I think some of it is City doing it very well, but an awful lot of it is down to clubs like United doing it incredibly poorly. You would have had to be an unlucky, negligent, idiot to not capitalise commercially on the back of United's success when the PL was exploding financially. Rather like all those who make money, often lots of money, at the time of a property boom, the investors think they are all geniuses when what actually happened was they were in the right place at the right time.
But because so much money is being made, they rest on their laurels, without realising that actually, they could have made even more money. So many people are promoted/employed on the non-playing side at football clubs beyond their ability, able to add one or two zeros onto their salaries just because they work in football, including accountants, lawyers, administrators, etc but very often, they simply aren't that good
Someone else posted mockingly 'investment'. Not only as others have posted in response, has the Etihad profile been raised but so has the profile of the owners, Abu Dhabi. When they bought city, most people had barely heard of Abu Dhabi. Everyone had heard of Dubai. Abu Dhabi is far wealthier than Dubai and wanted the world to know it. So what people often forget when talking about sponsorship is that for the owners, it's a form of sponsorship in itself. The world knows about Abu Dhabi in a very different way now. So in addition to the fact they have a club worth at least as much as they have invested in it, they have had all the publicity too. I suppose the general point I've been trying to make in these posts is that so many opposition fans seem to think that the club is just a toy to the owners, some kind of indulgence, whereas it's in fact been a very serious investment by people with a well though out vision. It's well known that the UAE acknowledge their lack of expertise in many areas and have a tendency to seek out and hire the very best people in their field, to run their businesses but also, to learn from for the future. If other clubs don't raise their game (off the pitch), they will be left behind
I don't think I've have never seen anyone claim Utd are financially illiterate.
Utter drivel. My eyes are bleeding reading this.
Utter drivel. My eyes are bleeding reading this.
Did he actually say that in as many words? No, he said that United could’ve done even better than they have and are perhaps guilty of resting on the laurels to an extent and not moving with the times. It’s already been pointed out - by United fans as well - that when it comes to social media, for example, United are somewhat inexplicably not making it much of a priority. So even now, at this point in time, there are certain revenue streams that United aren’t maximising. And where were United when City negotiated that documentary deal with Amazon the other week? You do realise that the exposure the club will get from that will dwarf the reported £24 million we’re receiving don’t you
This is the trouble with you and I’ve noticed it a lot - you come into these threads, drop in a comment, and when it’s explained to you in a constructive manner that you’re ill-informed you do a runner and all to often fail to respond.
The mind boggles at the City fans on here sometimes. I suppose you have to support your club but it defies logic what is happening at City ATM.
This is another smokescreen TBH. If you were put onto the open market your value would be alot lower. Very confident Mansour would not recoup his money. You have made a £1 Million profit this year. This is if your revenues were all above board. Not great for 10 years & a near £2 Billion spend.
Is this Namco's latest account?
I don't doubt Abu Dhabi are in it for the long haul. But this is not what we are talking about
So you truly believe that City are doing with 2 premier league titles what no other club has been able to do. Real Madrid with their two Champions league titles and best player in the world have failed to keep up City's growth. Their club is notorious for buying pretty/fancy footballers to increase their commercial opportunities. The club that became the biggest club in the world defeating Manchester united mainly due to its commercial and business operation and not it's success on the field can't keep up with the geniuses at Manchester City. Bayern and Barca with their unparalleled domestic success couldn't keep up. Chelsea who are far more successful than you and who have a far bigger following were left in the dust of your growth. Do you think this is reasonable to believe or that your profits are artificially inflated as you are a state sponsored club?
This City side has some much depth as well real quality.
I would love just one KDB/Sane/Augero level player in our team.
I would love just one KDB/Sane/Augero level player in our team.
God I hate City at the moment
They focus on technical ability rather than athleticism and it shows in their play. Until we get away from our 'big man first' strategy we'll never be what we should be.
They have been ruthless but Leicester have been unlucky. Kompany should have walked in the first minute or so, and their second goal came on the counter after McGuire hit the post.
It’s real ‘bravery’ - which ironically has been a buzzword around United my whole life, one that Fergie particularly liked. He often spoke about courage to take the ball, and the favouring of physical attributes is if anything, less brave.
Reading stuff like this is pathetic.
Players like Pogba, Martial and Ibrahimovic have great technical ability and are as good as those 3 City players on their day. Granted City is on a very good run of form, but that does not mean everything about United has to be negative.
We have Pogba and De Gea...
@M18CTID
Do a runner? Am I meant to stay in the house all day waiting for a reply?
In most cases I've explained my reasoning and we're not going to change each others minds so are we really willing to bog down this thread with the same, rotating arguments?
If you believe your financial growth can be attributed to a club with a tiny fanbase with little success then fair enough, maybe you are the greatest financial minds in football history leading the way where Madrid and Utd are too clueless to follow.
Do a runner? Am I meant to stay in the house all day waiting for a reply?
In most cases I've explained my reasoning and we're not going to change each others minds so are we really willing to bog down this thread with the same, rotating arguments?
If you believe your financial growth can be attributed to a club with a tiny fanbase with little success then fair enough, maybe you are the greatest financial minds in football history leading the way where Madrid and Utd are too clueless to follow.
I meant in the front 4. Should have specified that.
Saying we focus on athleticism isn't the same thing as saying we have no technical players. Completely different sentiments.
There's a reason why Fellaini and Lingard get games here, and why Rashford is preferred over Martial, and it certainly isn't because of technical ability.
This City team may flirt with 04/05 Chelsea's record 95 points. And that was a team whose leading scorer (Lampard) only got 13. City may have 5 players with more than that this season.
This City side makes a mockery of the myth that possession football and counter attacking football are mutually exclusive.
On a league of their own atm.
Come on! I know they have all the momentum at the moment, but Pogba is at that level, comfortably.
Aye.
So pissed on ref today. I think that leicester could got a point or three if ref did his job and sent kompany off. 2 games in a row they won with refs help. But lets forget that and talk how good they are, how fantastic is pep etc...