Holy shit. This dumat chap is reallllly out there huh.
"Blackface" Discussion
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Well, no wonder, I guess. It's fine when other people are discriminated when it is not you. See how much of a hypocrite you are? Keep spouting that shit about white privilege when you were the privileged one when you were working for BBC.
Again, you're projecting.
Sure, take it as a compliment, not like I care.
Why do you think diversity programs exist in the first place ?
Do you know why there are diversity quotas?
Why were there certain laws brought in?
Is that because there was clear underlying racism in the workplace that meant minorities werent being hired? Or just because they felt like adding some colour round the offices?
Oh shit, he thinks I got the job because I was black? Wow
He would insist that he’s not racist too, that’s the worst part as far as I’m concerned.
Some people only recognise racism when it’s presented in a package that looks like the KKK.
This is what racism actually looks like in real life, not a dictionary.
He clearly holds ill feelings and contempt for others based on skin colour.
Some people only recognise racism when it’s presented in a package that looks like the KKK.
This is what racism actually looks like in real life, not a dictionary.
He clearly holds ill feelings and contempt for others based on skin colour.
Oh shit, he thinks I got the job because I was black? Wow
Well, why else?
This thread has become uncomfortable reading recently, just as I thought it was on a good arc and had managed to also become a source of education for those that were unaware of the history of blackface. Goddamit.
Oh shit, he thinks I got the job because I was black? Wow
You mean to tell me you don't know about the centuries-old systemic bias in favour of black people? Ignorance is not an excuse you know
Absolutely. Take this thread is the best example. Look at number of posters coming out of the woodwork with silly arguments like “he didn’t mean it” or “but he has loads of black friends” or even worse “trust me...I have loads of black friends and they all hate each other”. It’s as if they completely ignored what the gesture represents in the first place. In the age of trump rhetoric, that is the absolute worst stance you can take against issues like this.
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You mean to tell me you don't know about the centuries-old systemic bias in favour of black people? Ignorance is not an excuse you know
Got 2 of my friends a job there too. Both of them white, they didn't even need to black up.
What are we even trying to argue about anymore? Where is the white privilege you loved to talk about? Where is the discrimination? I thought only blacks were discriminated? But no, now let's dodge that argument entirely and focus on something else, like we did with my original post about slavery. It's insane how brainwashed you are to think that some white person is more privileged than you are just because he has a different skin.Oh shit, he thinks I got the job because I was black? Wow
Lol, I don't know if I should laugh here or continue to be baffled at how ignorant you are. There's nothing in my posts that has me holding any ill feelings or contempt towards blacks or any other race, I'm just defending myself from people that obviously have their head stuck in their ass way too deep and are unable to see reason. Imagine that, this whole thing started when I wanted every race to focus on the slavery issue itself rather than the focus being on the evil white people. And that somehow made me racist, because I refuse to agree with the modern notion that white people are the cause for everything wrong with the world and they have some kind of a magical privilege that allows them to do it (something something racism). Well, fecking hell, my eyes to my """racist""" ways have been completely opened. I'm sorry, I'll go give myself fifty lashes in order to repent for what my ancestors did. Bye.
Not sure if serious.
Is it ok to find this hilarious?
(the more I see Griezmann's costume, the more of a caricature it becomes)
(the more I see Griezmann's costume, the more of a caricature it becomes)
How was their B.A. Baracus impersonation?
Is it ok to find this hilarious?
(the more I see Griezmann's costume, the more of a caricature it becomes)
WTF
There are more than you realise on here.Nobody is blaming white people for everything that’s wrong with the world. You do need to take ownership that a lot of shit is down to white people.
Sorry if that hurts your, apparently fragile feelings.
Secondly, slavery wasn’t what held people back - a lot of slaves, especially African, Roman and Irish slaves were able to buy their way out of slavery and pay back their dues, and actually a lot of tribe leaders were former slaves.
What held people back is the removal of identity, the dehumanisation, lack of reparations and continual systemic and institutionalised discrimination.
Thirdly, I and a few other PoC have tried to articulate exactly what it’s like to live in society as a PoC that help explain the conversation around what white privileged actually is, you’ve conveniently ignored that multiple times.
Finally, I can’t tell you about yourself, I know nothing about you.
What I am telling you is that your posts have led me to believe that you hold ill feelings towards people based on the colour of their skin.
And you saying otherwise doesn’t automatically make it better.
You don’t have to agree with me.
@Dumat12
I mean what more do you want mate? You said that that there can't be privilege because they brought in quotas but the very reason they brought in quotas is the racism in the workplace.
I mean what more do you want mate? You said that that there can't be privilege because they brought in quotas but the very reason they brought in quotas is the racism in the workplace.
Anyway, didn't someone try and explain what white privilage was earlier and you accused them of being racist?
I do actually remember a black guy say 'excuse me' to me and it was dark on a side street and I stopped -he just wanted directions, it turned out- but he thanked me in a kind of over the top way at first, even just for stopping. Made me assume that people do cross the road or pretend they didn't hear, then walk off at full pelt if he approaches a random member of the public.
A lot of people do not really want racism to end they want POC to shut up about racism and they want to eliminate the threat of being called a racist. I think we see an example in this thread.
Is it ok to find this hilarious?
(the more I see Griezmann's costume, the more of a caricature it becomes)
Wowzer.
To both the costume and especially the last few pages. And to think, we are a few days off 2018.
Might as well be 1918 to some.
To both the costume and especially the last few pages. And to think, we are a few days off 2018.
Might as well be 1918 to some.
Is it ok to find this hilarious?
(the more I see Griezmann's costume, the more of a caricature it becomes)
Its hilarious tbh, because it’s a caricature.
I’m not sure if they intentionally don’t want racism to end.
I just don’t think they’re used to having to consider the perspectives of PoC and this challenges the way people have to approach topics.
There’s a quote about being used to be privilege and having that taken away feeling like oppression.
That’s what we’re witnessing here.
Bingo.
Why am I not surprised you hear this often?
I love it when we get posters challenging the resident lefties...but why the feck do they always go fecking crazy at the end of it?
Keep it together ffs
Keep it together ffs
Re: privilege
And another study since Pager has replicated this finding several times
http://ftp.iza.org/dp4469.pdf
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/09/study-black-man-and-white-felon-same-chances-for-hire/Princeton University Professor Devah Pager said:
And another study since Pager has replicated this finding several times
http://ftp.iza.org/dp4469.pdf
@oneniltothearsenal good man, dumat seems like he needs some stats.
Not trying to say that none of those are due to racism, but some people have poor sight or focus and stare. Others could stare at couples they find to be a nice looking couple.
I do both. My terrible focus makes me seem like i stare when i'm trapped in my own mind and really am not looking at anyone, my terrible sight makes me stare and try to focus my sight when someone looks interesting or i'm just curious (and i'm terribly curious by nature) whilst other times i just enjoy looking at attractive couples that looks happy together.
I know from experience how negative thoughts can make a non-negative intended action feel horrible. As you or someone else said black people struggle with people looking at their hair - i too experienced that for many, many years (used to have weird hairstyles and every colour possible to make people bully me instead of a friend who tried to commit suicide because of being a target during my teenage years). Many of those staring or just randomly touching or stroking my hear i've later in life hear have positive things to say about it and was sad that i quit (quit because my friend no longer had suicidal tendensies around the time we were done with theoretical studies and were moving out into the workforce and i had to be a bit more respectably styled).
The amount can get to you, and the odd (for me) negative interaction made me believe all instead of some were negatively intended.
Because the privilege they mention is more about the negative stuff you and i most often don't have to feel due to being born white. Feeling priveleged without hitting the jackpot amongst jackpot in which class you are lucky enough to be born into is very unlikely to happen.
I do however struggle to see how we can come to a waypoint where we can say that the privelage issue is over if people are unlikely to feel priveleged unless they are overly so...
Is it really a leftie thing to recognise that, due a very long history of being ridiculed for their appearance as well as persisting (to this day) negative stereotypes about them, black people are very likely and justifiably going to be offended by others wearing blackface? Is it?
I think it’s more of a “how not to be a cnut” thing, rather a leftie or righty thing. I don’t even see what it has to do with politics personally.
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Mate I know you are well intentioned. But when I tell you people cross the road because I'm black and men tell my girlfriend that she shouldn't be with me because Im black. I'm telling you not because it's a random thing that I imagine in my head. It's because it is true. That's how alot of people act.
As is pretty clear you and many don't understand what it means to be a minority. So yes people will look at you because of your hair. But people will stare at black people because of their hair AND because they are black. Everyone is discrimination for something could be social status, attractiveness, economic status etc but black people get this plus the extra stigma of being black.
Those things are obviously different, which is why i commented on the hair & staring part only, since it's the only ones i have any resembling experience with.
I understand what you’re trying to say, but the type of looks I get with my boyfriend are not out of curiosity of poor vision, the distinction is clear. Plus they occur when by myself or with friends and family also.
As for the hair, that’s a completely different conversation - black hair is heavily politicised, and not a case of crazy hairstyles or interesting colours and such.
How is this a left v right issue?
I know right? For someone that (I assume) leans right he's doing his side no favours by making it seem like left=decency right=prick.
I understand. Guess i was hoping that it wasn't all bad. Saddens me to read of it as a daily experience for many.
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