Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The dozy twonks are back again, now whitewashing Tory MP's voting records for them.
On the plus the comments below are all rightly slagging him off.
No idea why anyone who considers themselves left wing would go near that fecking rag.
I don't think that's what she actually said though?
She clarified that white working class boys are being held back by the Tory administration, not women & BAME - as they are also being held back.
Having read the article, she just points out that White working class boys happen to be at the bottom of the UCAS tables, and she thinks that this is because they haven't adapted culturally in comparison to migrant families, because migrant families have much more of a focus on education than white working class families.
So in order for them to catch up they too need to shift their focus on education, and make that a priority.
And that in order to get the best out of people, especially kids, you need to invest in them as opposed to what the current Government are doing.
I don't really see a lot wrong with what she said, just the Torygraph spinning the story for headlines.
Really ?
Also even if that what Rayner was trying to say, it's both patronising and going against where the Labour Party seems to be going which is to say that the system is rid against normal people in favour of the very rich.
Also the ''Our culture'' is annoying bollocks as well.
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What she is saying is right though. The town I live in have some council estates where 4 out of 5 houses have no one working in them. These are estates that are predominantly white. There are large swathes of what I would call sub-working class white boys who nobody champions. They are as poor as the poorest people in the country but because they don't fit a minority they are forgotten about.
If she said that about education I'd agree. One also needs to consider all the other league tables that white working class boys are at the wrong end of, unemployment, committing crime, being victims of crime, wages, GCSE grades, taking drugs, alcoholism, suicide, going to prison. I've not studied it, but they do seem to be a category no one cares about.
It's not so much that BAME and white working-class schoolboys are an either, or type of debate. Rather, it is that the latter category do not receive much prominence at all. It's not a...fashionable calling card for the chattering/political classes.
She is right that there are poor white working class lads, who yes are some of the poorest people in the country(Which is why I think talk of white privilege at times is just stupid) that are completely forgotten but that's down to(I would argue as a Socialist) Capitalism and not that there's been a tiny tiny bit more force on women and people of colour(Which really doesn't amount to much as austerity has hurt people of colour more than anyone else in the UK).
The only way a Socialist Labour Party will succeed in changing the country will be to united people from different parts of the country together to fight for a common cause, uniting people with class politics(How they relate to Capitalism and not some nostalgia notion of working class culture)is the best way to do this.
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I totally agree. Education is the biggest vehicle we have to bring people from different backgrounds to a common understanding. How you get children who's parents never had an education engaged in education is a big problem though.
The thing is that we need to find a way to engage the disenfranchised portions of the population. Be they female's who feel underappreciated/underrepresented, ethnic minorities who feel marginalised and the non-working class who feel no one cares.
The politics of racism. Let's not create a fallacy that 'white working class' kids aren't championed by teachers and schools every bit as much as minority kids. The reason council estate white kids don't do well and immigrant kids do far better in equally deprived areas is because the immigrant kids parents are pushing them to do well in school where as most white council estate kids parents either are dysfunctional or aren't encouraging them to do well in school. I know teachers who teach in these areas where some children begin school at 4 (not nursery) not nappy trained, not being able to speak because no ones spoke to them, mums picking up kids in dressing gowns, parents advising kids 'don't listen to those teachers' etc etc.
Also how about differentiating between "white working class" and "white unemployed class" because the 2 are often very different with different aspirations.
Agree with you. Regarding the Labour Party there's some interesting stuff about trying to get the party to reconnect more with communities(Using the ideas of the Black Panthers)
- https://newsocialist.org.uk/corbynism-from-below/
- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/07/labour-reinvention-comes-from-bottom-up
But at the moment these are all just ideas and nothing concrete.
I don't mean by teachers. I've taught and treated ever kid the same so did every teacher I know.
I said in one of my posts how do you engage kids in education when their parents were never educated. I was talking about council estate kids.
Edit: I will say though that boys aren't though. On teacher training days we often had courses on how to make learning a positive experience for girls. Never did I do a course on making education a positive experience for boys.
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This sort of shite won't work by the way. Being so woke that you end up sounding like representative for the Republican Party is pretty useless politically .
Is that a desirable thing? We know that different groups respond differently to different things. Girls do better in coursework for example and boys do better in exams for example. If we introduce a one size fits all approach and try and treat all kids the same, then is it any surprise we get unequal outcomes?
I'm not having a dig, just posing it as a pedagogical question.
What I meant by treating everybody the same was that you try not to favour one group over the other. It was a reply to someone who recons that thinking that poor white boys need to be championed just as much as minorities was racist.
You are right that boys and girls react to different stimuli. It goes further than course work and exams though. The same can be said for the truly gifted and those who need more support. You use your lesson plan and resources to try and keep everybody engaged.
I didn't do it for long before going back into industry though.
Can't find the UK politics thread, so this goes here:
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Jereemy Corrrrrrbynn
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Ann Black being beaten by party democracy is so poetic Wordsworth would be proud.
Goes on to suggest that Paul Mason is just like Alastair Campbell (Ouch!); that's gonna grate on him for years.
Iain Dale, a man who threw a pensioner over for daring to protest, talking sarcastically about 'kinder gentler politics' will never not be hilarious.
Are they supposed to go through his 'people' then? Come on now. Mason was rude tried to bully a member of staff; what he objected to was the topic.
You ignore that it was Shelagh Fogarty who made the complaint, and it was her show Mason was supposed to appear on.
Rather sounds like LBC doing anything they can think of to bring about discussion cause they're bored to death of covering Carillion.
What more can be said after covering it with four different presenters? And why should one topic preclude another from being discussed, and for what would likely have been one-tenth the time if that?
Nor is Fogarty an evil Tory.
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Not a lot. Hence why I imagine they're bored out of their mind and deciding a man they rang up being grumpy is newsworthy.
Paul Mason was rude to a LADY producer from radio daily mail.
Er... yes. I image there's many ways of contacting Mason but cold calling isn't one of them.
He was rude because they cold called him to talk about Jeremy Corbyn and he really hasn't got that much of interest in Corbyn(It's more the politics and movement thats of interest), oddly enough the people most obsessive with Corbyn are the anti Labour conservatives.
Commentworthy might be more accurate than newsworthy, for it's not holding down a place in the half-hourly bulletin. He's a prominent supporter of Corbyn and high profile Momentum figure, how he is perceived reflects on the latter in particular. With the recent power shifts on Harigany council as a form of evidence local to the station, the increased influence of Momentum on the NEC is a valid segment on a political talk-show.
Is that where we are in 2018, you can no longer just be called on the phone? Paul Mason is professional windbag, not a senator or member of the Cabinet. He has had prior interaction with the station, they are not strangers to each other; Mason had a tantrum because he wanted to thoose the topic of discussion.
You're calling Fogarty an anti-Labour Conservative?
Of course you can phone someone up but don't get upset(Especially if your cold calling)if you get told to feck off.
Not really her(From the few clips I've seen she seems a boring liberal)but people like Ian Dale are obsessive with ''kinder politics'' stuff(Mainly due fact conservatism has absolutely nothing to say at the moment).
I think it's childish gossip, to be honest. Sort of nonsense that usually only interests Paul Staines and his rather odd fanbase. I don't think I'd want LBC having my number if they think this is how to behave. Not that I have much love for Mason who is rather cringey himself.
Iain Dale is still a hypocritical old cnut for saying it.
Bit late to this but yes it's glorious.
So unless you make an appointment with Mason's non-existent secretary, he is justified to scream at soemeone down a phone line for the gross wrog of simply doing their job? Do you routinely act in such a way?
But if you're a political jounro/commentator, is it not part of your job to maintaining such connections and appear on these programmes? If he'd declined with courtesy there would have been nl criticism to make.
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