She's no Tory but she is definitely anti Labour
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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She's no Tory but she is definitely anti Labour
I normally the opposite when people cold call but at the same time I can easily see why Mason would get angry at someone cold calling him out of the blue to talk about Jeremy Corbyn. Just send him a email or tweet first asking if he wanted to be interviewed.
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Agreed. I work in media myself and this is always the way to do it. Would never just call someone and get stuck into an interview.
That said, the corbynistas seem to be a precious bunch.
Sunday Times Front Page
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The voice of the self-titled moderates is at it again. What is the weapon of choice for anti-Corbyn this weekend? A child abuse victim!
Not entirely unexpected. And for those on the left of the party, welcome news.
EDIT: Dan Hodge's is pissed off by it, just in case you weren't sure it was a good thing.
Poor Iain, he's tried everything to get rid of Corbyn, even using Labour members money in the process. Hopefully the carriage clock leaving present was smashed over the twat's head.
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So Corbyn was a member of a private anti-Israel hate group on FB which was frequented by an assortment of Holocaust deniers, anti-semites and conspiracy theorists which he coincidentally left when he became Labour Party leader. Nobody on the Cafe interested?
https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...s-party-members-in-antisemitic-facebook-group
https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...s-party-members-in-antisemitic-facebook-group
I'm interested but I don't normally frequent the Guardian, so thanks for sharing! What would you charge Corbyn with based on his membership of the group?
Being generous, I'd say it shows a massive lack of judgement on his part. But he has form for hanging around with this crowd and given the timing of his departure I'd say he recognized himself how problematic it might be, so I'm not sure why we should be generous.
So you're essentially saying it's bad campaigning? I'd agree with that.
I think the conclusion that based on the fact that he was a member of this group (not a fan page) on Facebook he must be anti-Israel or anti-semite is not valid because insufficient evidence*. It's a bit like just because Grinner is a member of the Caf doesn't necessarily make him a ManUnited fan. It would be different if he himself posted such views, but going from the article he was engaging in discussions which imo isn't bad per se even if you're talking with the second coming of Hitler.
*just to clarify, I'm not saying you made that conclusion or anything, just seems like the most problematic concern that could arise from this article.
Your original statement with the link doesn't really convey the situation very accurately. A friend added him to the group and he responded to some posts he was tagged in.
That article doesn't really state it to be what you've suggested at all. If this forum was judged across all its content we'd all be damned as flat earther conspiracy nuts
I'd go further and suggest it's yet more evidence that when it comes to anti-Israel activism he really doesn't consider the anti-semitism that often accompanies it to be a problem worth worrying about. Hence his appearances at Quds Day marches, his work on Press TV, and his friendly meetings with Hamas.
That article doesn't really state it to be what you've suggested at all. If this forum was judged across all its content we'd all be damned as flat earther conspiracy nuts
You can browse through the report yourselves:
http://david-collier.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/180305_livereport_part1_FINAL.pdf
http://david-collier.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/180305_livereport_part2_FINAL.pdf
Obviously don't expect you to read through it all, but the nature of the group is very much as I've described it.
Again, this is the type of crowd he has associated with for years. Whatever he may personally feel about the sentiments expressed in there, I think it's clear he's willing to put them aside for the sake of what he believes to be the greater cause.
I wonder what the reaction would be to a prominent politician found to have associated themselves to a similar degree with far-right, racist activists?
Yeah that's really not the same at all.
Why not?
This is all a Jewish conspiracy to expose Labour for exposing Jewish conspiracies.
Firstly because of the power dynamics. Anti semitism is of course a problem in the UK but today far right racism is far more dangerous(A Labour MP was murder by a far right extremist and the far right extremist who drove a van into a crowd of muslims, killing one man and was hoping that he might have being able to kill both Cobyn and Sadiq Khan as well). And then we have the state led racism - such as deportations, arms selling etc, it really wasn't that long ago that the government order vans to driven around the capital city asking the public to report illegal immigrates. The Facebook group is essentially anti semitic losers posting anti semitic youtube videos, they have no actual political power.
Secondly while I haven't read the full report(It's very long)in The Guardian article shows no evidence of Corbyn saying anything anti semitic, Corbyn says he was added to the group rather than actively joined it, and again according to Corbyn he only posted when tagged. His posts seem to be similar to his activist work - having a vote on recognising Palestine and potentially having a a doctor from Palestine come over to the UK to give a presentation.
And then finally since Corbyn has being Labour leader has the Labour Party adopted any anti semitic policies, NO. The party has been quick enough to kick out anyone who has been anti semitic(I image there's a unit dedicated to just Ken Livingston).
I don't think the power differential point, however true it may be, is relevant here - it's not a competition over which form of racism is worse or has the worse impact, and avoiding associating with adherents of either or any form of racism is really not a hard thing to do. In any case, while what you say may be true for the UK, it is certainly more questionable when looking across Europe and many other places, where Jewish institutions require armed security and Jews have been targeted repeatedly in terror attacks.
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There is no evidence of him posting antisemitic content. Nobody has claimed he did, and I'm not claiming he is an anti-semite (nor is the report).
There is an example given in the report of him commenting on a link which doesn't show him being tagged (part 2, p. 30); however perhaps he was tagged in one of the unseen comments.
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And his membership of such a group also seems consistent with some of his other activist work, such as giving speeches at Quds Day rallies, working for Press TV, and having friendly meetings with Hamas.
Again, I'm not claiming he is an anti-semite or plans to implement anti-semitic policies. I'm saying he doesn't take it all that seriously and regards the presence of these people in the anti-Israel circles he runs in as a minor irritant (at most) in the face of the cause he's promoting.
Aren't Islamic terrorists far right extremists too ?
Seems like dishonest smear tactics to me, again!
Its not an anti-Israel hate group, it's a pro-Palestinian group
Yes really. You post racist anti Palestinian shite on these boards but that doesn't make the caf as a whole racist
What if the founder of the Cafe invited a bunch of racists to join and repeatedly posted links to articles and other stuff written by racists?
Exactly.
That'd make it racist, but that's not what happened here
That's exactly what happened.
Antisemites spend an an inordinate amount of effort antisemiticly explaining why antisemitism/zionism isn't antisemitic.
Nope
Your report was written by a guy who says anti-Zionism = anti-sematism, I'd question his whole report on that bit of stupidity alone
I used the differential power as a reason why the story hasn't really been picked up, as you suggested
So what's the story then ? Politician get's invited to Palestine Facebook group, he has a couple of posts(None of which are anti semitic), the people in the group post anti semitic video's and memes but the politician claims to have no idea of these posts and condemns any hatred towards jewish people.
Zionists spend even more time trying to pretend their beliefs aren't racist
Then he's a fecking idiot either way.
What if he had been invited to Stormfront and made the same error of judgement?
Why don't you just admit you haven't read a single word of the report?
Yes, just some random politician with no national profile and without any history of hanging out with anti-semites of the exact type that make up the membership of this group - which he mysteriously left just after getting a massive promotion
Read bits of it. Same old shite from people keen to distract from the apartheid state of Israel
It's a family affair..
Right. So you missed the page-long "Definition of antisemitism" used in the report at the very start of each part?
Tell me, what did you think of the part that showed the founder of the group posting links to articles by Gilad Atzmon and posting comments supportive of him? Any thoughts on the fact the Atzmon was one of the first members of the group?
For those who don't know, this is Gilad Atzmon:
Here he is blaming Grenfell on the Jews:
