How do Chelsea fans feel about losing KdB, Salah and Lukaku?

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Does it sting everytime you see them on the scoreboard or assisting?

Is there anger towards Mourinho and/or the board?

That trio with Hazard would be one of the best attacks in the game, if not the best.
 
The base assumption here is that they'd have developed as they have without leaving Chelsea.

Which is, imo, wrong.
 
Probably isn't much fun this season owing to how well they're doing at the moment but they have also won 2/3 of the last PL titles so it's not been all doom and gloom.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Is there anger towards Mourinho and/or the board?
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Absolutely. Mourinho is a Chelsea legend and all, but that was a major feck up!

I'm more forgiving for his shit third season than him selling KdB, Mata, Salah...
 
I’d miss De Bruyne if I were them. Im not convinced Salah is more than a 1 season wonder and as for Lukaku, i’d be too busy wondering why we let Costa leave.
 
Kostur said:
The base assumption here is that they'd have developed as they have without leaving Chelsea.

Which is, imo, wrong.
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Under Mourinho you are probably right. Although i feel Lukaku and KdB would have proved themselves if given the chance. Salah is a bit more difficult, as i don’t think Mourinho would have provided him the platform to do what he does best.

I’m not even sure what the purpose with this thread is. For me it’s just outrageous that they had 2 players who are currently the best players in the league. Losing Pogba was tough, but this is another level.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Under Mourinho you are probably right. Although i feel Lukaku and KdB would have proved themselves if given the chance. Salah is a bit more difficult, as i don’t think Mourinho would have provided him the platform to do what he does best.

I’m not even sure what the purpose with this thread is. For me it’s just outrageous that they had 2 players who are currently the best players in the league. Losing Pogba was tough, but this is another level.
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Hindsight is a good thing, cannot recall many people saying 'woah, those players are bound to be the best players in the league' when they were sold.
 
that's just very bad business. I still think they could find and afford a striker of Lukaku quality, but Salah and KDB are different story, especially now when it's tougher than ever to compete with both Manchester clubs and there's good chance of losing their only talismanic player, Hazard. you don't find those players easily and you certainly don't buy them cheap in todays market.
 
Kostur said:
Hindsight is a good thing, cannot recall many people saying 'woah, those players are bound to be the best players in the league' when they were sold.
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Tbf, i remember watching KdB at Werder Bremen and he was doing some great things. Lukaku had just scored 17 goals for West Brom. They did have some reputation.
 
Anyone know why Mourinho sold Robben as well? Didn't track back enough?
 
luke511 said:
Anyone know why Mourinho sold Robben as well? Didn't track back enough?
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He was not signing a contract extension, he was pretty injury prone at the time and wanted to go to Madrid.

As for Jose, I don't blame him for selling anyone, he was never in charge of transfers. He could've given Lukaku and De Bruyne more of a chance for sure but hindsight is 20/20. I'm honestly more annoyed at flogging Bertrand on the cheap (Chelsea youth product and England international rather than multi million pound signing who didn't work out like Salah, Kevin and Rom).
 
Lukaku although doing very well has yet to prove himself.
Salah, again, has to prove he can do it next season.
KDB though, I remember being in awe watching him play for Chelsea and couldn't get my head around 1. why they sold him and 2. why no one went for him other than Wolfsburg.
 
I think this thread could be summarised thus:

Question:
How do Chelsea fans feel about losing KdB, Salah and Lukaku?

Answer:
AltiUn said:
...they have also won 2/3 of the last PL titles so it's not been all doom and gloom.
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Kostur said:
Hindsight is a good thing, cannot recall many people saying 'woah, those players are bound to be the best players in the league' when they were sold.
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Exactly. And blaming Jose for them not developing?

You can’t develop the young players at Chelsea. How many players have they signed younger than 20 that have actually made it to the first 11 since 2003? Got to be single figures.
 
Prometheus said:
Absolutely. Mourinho is a Chelsea legend and all, but that was a major feck up!

I'm more forgiving for his shit third season than him selling KdB, Mata, Salah...
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Did Mourinho actually sell any of them? They maybe left on loan under his tenure but the actual sales came after he'd left no?

EDIT: note I'm referring to the 3 in the OP not Mata
 
Trizy said:
Lukaku although doing very well has yet to prove himself.
Salah, again, has to prove he can do it next season.
KDB though, I remember being in awe watching him play for Chelsea and couldn't get my head around 1. why they sold him and 2. why no one went for him other than Wolfsburg.
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I remember Rudi Völler at Leverkusen trying to sign him as well but not being able to compete with Wolfsburg financially.
Klopp also tried to bring him to Dortmund the previous transfer season to replace Götze but signed Mkhitaryan instead when Mourinho intervened.
 
charlenefan said:
Did Mourinho actually sell any of them? They maybe left on loan under his tenure but the actual sales came after he'd left no?

EDIT: note I'm referring to the 3 in the OP not Mata
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Nah he sold Lukaku and KDB
 
Regarding the title...same way we are going to feel about losing shaw, pogba and martial I guess.
 
Kostur said:
The base assumption here is that they'd have developed as they have without leaving Chelsea.

Which is, imo, wrong.
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This.

It's still uncertain whether the trio will become the players as they are now if they had stayed.

Many factors come into play when it comes to player developments eg. situations, context, pressure, playing opportunities, coaching, social environment, experiences, "culture" of the league and teams they've since played for, motivations, etc.
 
KDB was the obvious one for me and I even got in a few arguments with Chelsea fans in 2012 that they would rue KDB leaving because he would be one of the world’s best.

I couldn’t reconcile the rumors that KDB was lazy with the fact that KDB was near the top of Bundesliga with Werder in Kms run.

Of course it’s hard to say if KDB would be as good as he is today, but I think Mourinho’s ultra defensive system frustrated KDB and like most top skilled players freedom is needed to get the most out of his skill set.

It’s ironic because I think might the counter attacking midfielder for Mourinho’s system.
 
Those three leaving Chelsea is a shame but what is more shameful is that some knuckle headed Chelsea fans continually heap blame on Mourinho for letting these players go and now they are doing the same thing to Conte for the likes of Costa and even Chalobah leaving.

Might as well give it to the board of directors to be the coach.
 
I think Mourinho in the past struggled to motivate young players who weren't playing regularly. KDB especially didn't appreciate Mourinho harming his reputation by telling the press he wasn't working hard in training. A lot of chelsea fans won't admit it but they bought that he wasn't a hardworker and had little sympathy for him when he was moved. When he left Jose called him a cry baby and praised the sale for how much they were able to recoup.

Why I'm always now sceptical when I hear 'Jose feels young player x doesn't train hard/doesn't fight'.
 
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Greck said:
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You might also want to read up on how we lost Pogba. He got poached from us
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You can't seriously have missed the point, it wasn't that hard?

We refused to offer Pogba the contract he wanted and SAF said afterwards the way he acted showed his character wasn't right for Manchester United. Quite a lot of similarities to the way Ravel Morrison left, he could equally have sorted his head out and gone on to be a superstar, who could know.

For all intents and purposes they are not the same players as the ones that left.
 
Kostur said:
The base assumption here is that they'd have developed as they have without leaving Chelsea.

Which is, imo, wrong.
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I really think De Bruyne would have. He was a fine 10 in the 2014 WC, just 3-4 months after joining Wolfsburg from Chelsea (and had a good qualifying campaign while at both Chelsea and Wolfsburg) and then was probably the best player in the Bundesliga the next year.

Lukaku I don't think has necessarily improved more than the average player does going from age 21 (left Chelsea) to 24. Not really an insult on him, and obviously playing behind Costa might have regressed his development and maybe they don't win the title last year with him up top in Conte's system, so that one I think there's a real case for, since presumably a 2-3 year loan would not have been okay with him.

Salah I have no idea, as I saw little of him at Basel (couple CL games, looked good) and only a bit more at Roma.
 
endless_wheelies said:
You can't seriously have missed the point, it wasn't that hard?

We refused to offer Pogba the contract he wanted and SAF said afterwards the way he acted showed his character wasn't right for Manchester United. Quite a lot of similarities to the way Ravel Morrison left, he could equally have sorted his head out and gone on to be a superstar, who could know.

For all intents and purposes they are not the same players as the ones that left.
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The Ravel Morrison comparisons are a reach. You might as well compare them to Macheda He never went on to become great. He was a wannable gangster who was getting into fights and had even been arrested for witness intimidation. Also going to need that link on SAF saying those things about Pogba. Fact of the matter is we didn't sell Pogba and did everything we could to keep him. We even had senior members of the team to go convince him to change his mind but he had already signed with Juve, who had offered him far more money and playing time. SAF went above and beyond to change his mind. Unlike KDB we didn't make the decision or voluntarily partake in the transfer process. The point might have made sense in your head though
 
KirkDuyt said:
I’d miss De Bruyne if I were them. Im not convinced Salah is more than a 1 season wonder and as for Lukaku, i’d be too busy wondering why we let Costa leave.
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Neither Salah is one season wonder not is he Messi. The reason he is having such a good season is because of subtle change in position and the team playing to his strength.
 
Greck said:
The Ravel Morrison comparisons are a reach. You might as well compare them to Macheda He never went on to become great. He was a wannable gangster who was getting into fights and had even been arrested for witness intimidation. Also going to need that link on SAF saying those things about Pogba. Fact of the matter is we didn't sell Pogba and did everything we could to keep him. We even had senior members of the team to go convince him to change his mind but he had already signed with Juve, who had offered him far more money and playing time. SAF went above and beyond to change his mind. Unlike KDB we didn't make the decision or voluntarily partake in the transfer process. The point might have made sense in your head though
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Aye but I guess I have to take into account what your head is capable of.....

Morrison/Pogba = acknowledged as potential talents of a generation; Macheda = random kid that scored one good goal
Pogba = we didn't give him the contract he wanted (he came to the negotiation table with us for a long time) = our active role in his departure; you can say "oh well he was asking too much", but had we known that he was to cost us £89m to buy back in a couple of years' time would the £30k per week or whatever and additional opportunities not have been worth it? Bare in mind we had 37 year old Scholes starting for us at the time and Pogba went straight into Juventus' starting 11. We actively let him go.

There's your quote:
https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/sport/ferguson-pogba-lacked-respect-26872182.html
"I'm quite happy that if they carry on that way, they're probably better doing it away from us."


Ultimately neither ourselves nor Chelsea are culpable, for every Pogba/Salah there is a Morrison.
 
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