And yet you’ve still won NOTHING and Chelsea and Utd have won league and European trophies in that time.
No one remembers the time Spurs were in the top 4. It’s a nothing feat. Utd fans hate it, we want to be winning stuff.
Chelsea 2017/18 thread - FA Cup Champs, League chumps
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No one remembers the time Spurs were in the top 4. It’s a nothing feat. Utd fans hate it, we want to be winning stuff.
No more discussion of Spurs please, there are separate threads for that.
When you see the players they brought in and sold it's no surprise it has ended this badly for them
Costa leaving was probably inevitable but Morata was not even close to being a good replacement for him
A lot of decent players were brought in but nobody looks to be close to the level of Costa and Matic that came in
They were definitely not replaced and the squad depth has in proved but overall squad quality is lower
Costa leaving was probably inevitable but Morata was not even close to being a good replacement for him
A lot of decent players were brought in but nobody looks to be close to the level of Costa and Matic that came in
They were definitely not replaced and the squad depth has in proved but overall squad quality is lower
Antonio Conte
Slavisa Jokanovic
I don't know why but in my mind I think it's more or less nailed on that Enrique will be the next Chelsea manager.
Jody Morris
Max Allegri
I think it's a bit too soon for Morris (although he is very well liked within the club).
If Conte goes this season, I would not be surprised to see Joe Edwards as caretaker, he's 31 and has been at the club for 20 years (started as a kid, didn't make it as a player and went straight onto the coaching staff where he is the U23 coach). They want a "club man" and he fits the bill more than anyone.
Till the end of the season : Antonio Conte.
Next season: Luis Enrique or Max Allegri
Next season: Luis Enrique or Max Allegri
Yeah I’ve got that feeling too.
Chelsea will be fine I reckon. They always have a dodgy season and always bounce back.
Only semi serious mate.
Saw Jody has done good work with Youth and thought may get a couple of games at the end of the season if things go pear shaped.
Delusional because you don't agree with it? Righto. I didn't expect anything different here.
You should have a flick through the Lukaku thread on this very forum. He's beyond frustrating, and generally just a flat track bully who more often than not goes missing when it matters most. We've had him here before and his touch and technique are still as bad as I remember. For a player who's (potentially) going to cost Utd £90m, no thank you.
As far as Morata goes, Lukaku wouldn't get into the Madrid starting 11 either, and yet he still made plenty of contributions to their success last season, he's performed to a decent level in Europe too with his last two Clubs. For me he's just an all round better player. The only frustrating thing about him is his knack for going down so easily.
Morata has scored 14 goals in 40 matches. Lukaku had 26 in 45. Saying you avoided a bullet with Lukaku is pretty delusional and ridiculous.
This is what I said in relation to why Chelsea messed up in their handling of Salah, Lukaku and KDB, but in that piece I also went on on say this about the overall state of the club:
In other words, it is not managers like Conte which has resulted in Chelsea's sorry state, it is people on the board like Tenenbaum and Granovskaia that have caused this mess in the first place and unless those 2 are sacked, the issues behind the mess will not be addressed, no matter who is in the dugout next season.
In other words, it is not managers like Conte which has resulted in Chelsea's sorry state, it is people on the board like Tenenbaum and Granovskaia that have caused this mess in the first place and unless those 2 are sacked, the issues behind the mess will not be addressed, no matter who is in the dugout next season.
An article from Matt Law, the supposedly trusted Chelsea reporter.
Lukaku is a few goals away from eclipsing Drogba's PL goal tally yet i doubt even the most biased United fan will try and claim he's on prime Didier's level.
Nor should he be. He has not hit his prime yet.
He'll score more Prem goals than Didier for sure.
This clearly demonstrates you have not been watching Lukaku this season. He's been our best player since January and is now bagging goals consistently again. He is much superior to Morata, who in turn is much inferior to Diego Costa... which is one of the reasons Chelsea is struggling this year compared to last.
And that wont necessarily mean he'll ever be "better" than Drogba (who was one of the greatest PL strikers I've ever seen) but it is still disingenuous to compare a prime Drogba to Lukaku who has yet to hit his prime.
Time will tell.
I agree totally. Different players with vastly different career trajectories. When Didier was Lukaku's age he was playing for Guingamp.
To be honest, if Chelsea got Aleggri next season, I'd expect them to challenge for the league again. You have this feeling that a lot of the Chelsea players are just going through the motions; because they know the script already.
Which of our players do you think are doing that? Hazard is the only possibility in my mind.
Lukaku offers so much more than Morata aside from his greater goalscoring ability it's embarrassing. I doubt you have seen Lukaku that much in order to say such things.
They're definitely going through the motions but I doubt they'll have the talent to challenge next year, absent some brilliant additions over the summer. The title campaign of two seasons ago really depended on the stars aligning for them - no European football to play, a very lucky injury record, a new formation and tactics that the league took a long to adjust against, and no other team really playing at a high level. Next year they'll play Europa league football and have to beat out the likes of City if they want to contend for the title.
I'm not sure, it just feels like they are lacking that extra 5-10% that was there last season. For example during the City game, they sort of just watched City pass the ball around right in front of them, it's a different approach to last season when Chelsea were much more energetic against City.
It could just be the extra fixture schedule affecting them, but Willian and Kante are still at their top level. And both of those players are known for their work ethic.
Let's be fair, not been that hard to score against us recently, our defence has been an abomination all season... funnily enough that game you speak of Morata had a goal incorrectly flagged for offside just before Lukaku steamrolled through to set up the winner.
In any case, it doesn't automatically cancel out the previous 7 shithouse performances he's put in against us does it?
Football is a fickle game though, here's a link to the Lukaku thread after the reverse fixture, perhaps you should refresh your memory before saying it's an outlandish comment.
A very biased and rather ironic view. Lukaku has a better scoring record but Morata has far superior technique and hold up play. There's a genuine gem in that player somewhere, and with a proper season under his belt I think he'll start to show it.
For him on a personal level he wasted much of his career as a bit part player for Madrid, never really got a look in even when Benzema was out of form so he's somewhat of a late starter, but so was Drogba, and if Morata can be half as good as he was then we've done something right.
I'm willing to bet the Madrid fans didn't want him to leave.
We'll see, i'll give it till sometime next season before you're calling for his head and want Rashford/Martial/another £100m centre-forward playing up front.
I did not expect us to repeat last season's success. I did expect us to fight for top 4 and not being guaranteed a top 4 - spot, because I expected City to run away with the title, I expected United to improve, and I was thinking that Liverpool and Spurs will be tough opponents as well.
However, during the first half of the season we did not do that bad and I convinced myself that top 4 was all but secured.
Now, we find ourselves in a position where a top 4 spot is almost unattainable - with 7 games to go. I did not expect that, especially not after the first half of the season.
At the end of the day, it's all Conte's doing. No one forced him to pick a fight with Costa and Luiz. I get that they're probably tough characters and personalities to deal with, but that's why a manager is getting paid that well. On the other hand, Conte was too slow and still is when it comes to reacting in a positive way. He should have tried some other formations or some other starters. His unwillingness to explore new possibilities, his tendency to moan and to emphasize the alleged lack of signings has made me highly critical of him. At the same time, I do not see a potential replacement for him. ( I thought Tuchel might be one, but he seems to be PSG bound.) Unless we can get someone like Allegri, I would like us to keep Conte and see whether he can iron out his mistakes next season. He is a good manager after all, and I believe that he would start with new hunger and desire into next season.
However, during the first half of the season we did not do that bad and I convinced myself that top 4 was all but secured.
Now, we find ourselves in a position where a top 4 spot is almost unattainable - with 7 games to go. I did not expect that, especially not after the first half of the season.
At the end of the day, it's all Conte's doing. No one forced him to pick a fight with Costa and Luiz. I get that they're probably tough characters and personalities to deal with, but that's why a manager is getting paid that well. On the other hand, Conte was too slow and still is when it comes to reacting in a positive way. He should have tried some other formations or some other starters. His unwillingness to explore new possibilities, his tendency to moan and to emphasize the alleged lack of signings has made me highly critical of him. At the same time, I do not see a potential replacement for him. ( I thought Tuchel might be one, but he seems to be PSG bound.) Unless we can get someone like Allegri, I would like us to keep Conte and see whether he can iron out his mistakes next season. He is a good manager after all, and I believe that he would start with new hunger and desire into next season.
It literally feels like we have had two different manager's during Conte's time here. Last seasons version was everybit as good as Jose the first time, if not better.
This seasons version is worse than Scolari.
Have you forgotten what Morata did to you lot at Stamford Bridge? If were going down the route on judging them on Chelsea United clashes then i think we can safely call it 1-1 so far.
We aren't judging them on United v Chelsea clashes. We are judging them on their overall season and Lukaku has been better than Morata. Fact.
Or do you disagree?
Do you think Morata has had a better season then Lukaku?
Is Chelsea the only team that Lukaku plays against? If we more relevantly look at 2018 before the Chelsea match, Lukaku had scored 7 of our 16 goals where we recorded 7 wins, 1 draw and 2 losses.
He has also only gotten better since the Chelsea game. That includes his hold up play, interplay with other attackers, and passing.
Your agenda is failing because it ignores facts.
The irony here is the if Chelsea had Lukaku this season they would have more points and be comfortably in the CL spots in my opinion.
Bullet dodged though.
Bullet dodged though.
Both have blown very hot and cold, i suppose it's easier to pretend Lukaku has been this good all season but he wasn't he was dreadful in October and November, and Morata was decent upto November but unfortunately has looked poor since.
Early days but as far as new the strikers go, Auba looks on another planet to both, infact we'd have both been better off signing Vardy atleast in the short term.
Nah I'm sorry but your lumping in Lukaku with Morara here when it's obvious to anyone that Rom has had by FAR the better and most productive season even with his blip. Do you agree with that or not?
Also with regards to Auba he's looked good so far but another planet? Really? Sensationalism at its finest.
In November time especially agter our clash even most United fans were saying Morata was the better signing. Admittedly the last few months have changed things somewhat but it's easy to forget he ripped arguably the two best performing defenses in Europe (yours and Atletico's) to pieces.
Auba's looked fantastic since arriving, thankfully he's playing for Arsenal under Wenger.
Again, do to agree that Lukaku has had a better season than Morata?
Yes or no answer please!