He didn't start very well, he showed promises but was never in a position to seriously start. Out of all the players mentioned only Lemar started very well and almost immediately competed for a starting position, Mbappé improved after every games, like Dembélé. And Martial didn't lose his place because of one game, first he didn't had a place and secondly the chance was tactical, the team needed a playmaker like Payet in order to allow Griezmann to play closer to Giroud.
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He didn't start very well, he showed promises but was never in a position to seriously start. Out of all the players mentioned only Lemar started very well and almost immediately competed for a starting position, Mbappé improved after every games, like Dembélé. And Martial didn't lose his place because of one game, first he didn't had a place and secondly the chance was tactical, the team needed a playmaker like Payet in order to allow Griezmann to play closer to Giroud.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is precisely why we need a DoF (a real one) Either ready made galacticos is the way we wanna go, or we stick with developing youngsters, warts an’ all. We seem to have ended up stuck between two stools.
Exactly because by and large the lad has justified that faith. Yet every time we give him a rest. This dumb shit pops up.....
I generally agree, but the point with patience is that it's a two way street. You give players who aren't the finished article time, and as long as they're continuously working hard to improve you continue to do so even if they're not the finished article.
My issue with Martial is how little we've seen to suggest he sees the issues in his game as issues and is working on improving them. When he came over he was a prodigiously talented, inconsistent player who played in moments, not working hard enough either with the ball or without the ball to get involved. He was a good dribbler and quite clinical in and around the box, but all too frequently was happy for the game to completely pass him by.
3 years down the line, and I'm really struggling to see how that isn't still a perfect summary of Martial's strengths and weaknesses. Martial's always walking the tight rope between a good performance and a bad one and I can completely understand why players like Rashford, who will work for the team regardless of how well he's playing – and has visibly added elements to his game, receives more trust from the manager to improve.
I agree with you, I criticized him at the end of his first season because of the lack of improvement in areas that Jardim was allegedly not happy with, basically movement and striking technique but it was as a striker. Now, we need to remember that players aren't always as aware as we think, it's generally a coach that will tell them where they really need to make an effort, a simple example is Griezmann who explained that during his first trainings at Atletico, he would play like he usually did, try to create for others, but Simeone was upset about it because he thought that Griezmann was more useful as a goalscorer than a playmaker, so he would constantly tell him to shoot. That's the type of things that Martial requires someone that is constantly on his back.
Most agree Martial is his own problem, he is far too inconsistent. No need to be contemplating selling the kid yet but next season he must become a first choice .
I'm probably not going to make myself more popular on here by saying this, but I think we're better off letting Martial go. I think Alexis is simply better than Martial and Rashford is just as talented, works harder and is one of our own so we should keep him. Martial hasn't done enough with the time he's got. He's still too inconsistent and he just looks like he doesn't want it enough. We can't rely on him to constantly perform. Add to that the imbalance we have in our squad right now and we're better off swapping Martial for a right winger. Personally I'd take Mahrez, Bailey or even Bale over him.
We shouldn't sell him, but on the other hand he's massively overrated. He has moments of brilliance but they are so rare it's not worthy of all the fuss that is made over him. In any other elite team he'd just be another promising kid who may or may not make it. At this club he's talked about as if the fate of our club depends on him fulfilling his potential, and we'd be fecked if he left. Come on get a grip.
Is it too much to ask for few days to pass without at least one negative thread ? 
Martial is a player I tipped to come into his own at the start of the season and proclaimed had a lot more talent than Rashford. Rashford's dip coincided with some good play by Martial, but by now, I've given up. The lad has flattered to deceive several times - and to some extent, his number paper over the quality of play for much of the time. It wouldn't be bad if he were scoring as many as a Salah (leave alone a Ronaldo) but for a wide player to rely on sporadic finishing to merit his place is a bit much. Unless he really steps up a notch, I can't see him being a regular starter for us. Sadly, I feel the issue is more mental than anything else. I don't buy that it is about playing on the left or central. Frankly, he's a player I'd love (just like most of the caf) to do well, but you need to be ruthless if you're aiming for the top.
Martial could be a world beater but it is entirely down to him. Consistency is his problem. If he gets that right, then the manger must play him.If he doesn't then he will be on his bike.
This is a very poor post.
Lingard is having a great season because unlike Martial & Rashford; he is being played in the postion that gets the best out of him. Do you remember when he played RW under LVG & Jose early on? Nearly every fan wanted him out & this is the same reason alot of fans would pick losing Jose over losing Martial- Jose is not getting the best out of him nor Rashford because he is being his usual stubborn self where he has a fixed formation and fixed style of player & everybody else is used to fix gaps. Luckily; Lingard has been played at CAM where he should be and has shown his capabilities. Only if Martial got to play CF,ST or LF; like wise Rashford playing ST, LF or RF. Any chance that is going to happen? No this is Jose
a man manager who has a fixed formation, fixed player, wont drop them whilst dropping everyone else and eventually gets caught out by next year. He struggles to get the best out of a squad and struggles to build a team; only the best out of players as individuals. P.S this is why Ibrahimovic bigs up Jose over Pep; a individualist vs a team manager.Jose has come as his usual self trying to manage united the same way as the desperate underdog clubs such as Chelsea, Inter hell even Madrid vs Barcelona. He makes big mistakes over these types of players - remember De bryune playing on the Right wing whilst he favourited the other players. Lukaku playing on the right wing? Salah dropped for not being a defensive player
.Martial is playing on the Left as a midfielder and that is not his position even though he still manages to score goals and contribute.
Martial is very unlucky LVG left in the 3rd season. by the end of the second season we had Martial- Rashford- Lingard playing as a front 3 due to injuries & that is a great forward line that LVG would have reverted back to 352 the season after as
Martial- Rashford
Lingard
Only one has played in that position- that is Lingard & the results show.
Jose can cry about the squad all he wants but he can't blindfold all the fans whilst he has never used martial & rashfrod as strikers individually or in a partnership.
@haram Rashford has to remain? That is awfully biased towards Jose (mot like we didnt see it buddy)
I've been spamming a couple of other threads with some stats about distance covered/minute in the CL. Martial's stats are pretty crap. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why he's not impressing the manager as much as he's impressing his fans on here?
@haram Rashford has to remain? That is awfully biased towards Jose (mot like we didnt see it buddy)
Maybe you should read the thread again.
You did ask a dumbass question about who did Mourinho improve in the team and once I give you a clear answer and it doesn't suit your agenda, what do you do ? You change the goalposts...This is a very poor post.
Lingard is having a great season because unlike Martial & Rashford; he is being played in the postion that gets the best out of him. Do you remember when he played RW under LVG & Jose early on? Nearly every fan wanted him out & this is the same reason alot of fans would pick losing Jose over losing Martial- Jose is not getting the best out of him nor Rashford because he is being his usual stubborn self where he has a fixed formation and fixed style of player & everybody else is used to fix gaps. Luckily; Lingard has been played at CAM where he should be and has shown his capabilities. Only if Martial got to play CF,ST or LF; like wise Rashford playing ST, LF or RF. Any chance that is going to happen? No this is Jose
Jose has come as his usual self trying to manage united the same way as the desperate underdog clubs such as Chelsea, Inter hell even Madrid vs Barcelona. He makes big mistakes over these types of players - remember De bryune playing on the Right wing whilst he favourited the other players. Lukaku playing on the right wing? Salah dropped for not being a defensive player
Martial is playing on the Left as a midfielder and that is not his position even though he still manages to score goals and contribute.
Martial is very unlucky LVG left in the 3rd season. by the end of the second season we had Martial- Rashford- Lingard playing as a front 3 due to injuries & that is a great forward line that LVG would have reverted back to 352 the season after as
Martial- Rashford
Lingard
Only one has played in that position- that is Lingard & the results show.
Jose can cry about the squad all he wants but he can't blindfold all the fans whilst he has never used martial & rashfrod as strikers individually or in a partnership.
It is a fact that Lingard has improved tremendously and he has had to earn his spot too. He should be an example to Martial.
I want Mourinho to leave the club and I ain't blinded by that to deny blatant truth
Rashford isn't as talented as Martial. He's not even close either. If their roles were reversed and Martial was the academy product there would be nobody on here who would prefer Rashford.
If Jesse Lingard has become the benchmark of the club? then I sincerely fear being a United fan since our standards have dropped tremendously since Fergie left.
According to whoscored.com
Martial --- 16(10) Appearances --- 1346 min ---- 9 goals & 5 assists
Sane --- 21(5) Appearances --- 1909 min ---- 9 goals & 11 assists
Lingard --- 16(11) Appearances --- 1471 min --- 8 goals & 4 assists
Even Lingard has played more minutes than Martial... and Martial still has one more goal and one more assist than Lingard. Lingard will never be a World Class Player.
He's nothing more than a glorified English Pedro in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, he's got great movement off the ball and I like his direct style of play but more often than not, he makes a great impact sub. World class players tend to produce moments of magic even on their off day. Martial comes under that category whereas Lingard can be completely invisible on his off day.
I can assure you that in an attacking setup, Martial will tear apart defenses. The guy is that good. Just take notice of the way Sanchez plays on the left wing as compared to Martial. Both cut in to take shots on goal but Sanchez cuts in a lot deeper (almost in center of midfield) whereas Martial attacks the fullback and gets the fullback to back off and then cuts in. That's one of the reasons why Pogba and Sanchez were occupying the same space and have been finding it difficult to play together.
Completely Agree. Rashford is mostly pace and power and he'll make the occasional run behind defenses but Martial is trickery. Martial can beat his man when standstill to get an extra yard on his man whereas Rashford cannot do that. Rashford will use his speed and strength to outmuscle this opponent.
Lingard has improved no doubt but Lingard is not a flair player. He's got immense energy which is what Mourinho likes about him. I'm not sure if Mourinho has ever improved a player whose got natural flair and is talented.
When Rooney had his best goal season and we beat Milan and lost to Bayern in the CL based on the away goal rule, Nani was absolutely amazing and would tear any defense apart. I've always thought that Nani's best position was the right wing but to accommodate Valencia, he had to be played on the left.
Martial hasn't been getting any game time, if it keep continuing, he will put in a transfer request especially since his contract is up for renewal and he's got a year or so left on his contract.
Well there you go. The venn diagram of the Nani and Martial fan club has a big overlap. As I suspected.
Won’t be a popular opinion but I don’t care if he does leave.
He is Massively overhyped by united fans but he hasn’t shown any improvement since his debut.
He is Massively overhyped by united fans but he hasn’t shown any improvement since his debut.
Because of a single poster?
He hasn't improved massively since his first season I agree, but he was quite great then. I'd argue he hasn't been given ample opportunity to. Despite what many here believe, he has been good this season. I'm sure he still is our best for goals/assists per minute played. He hasn't been given the same allowances as Jesse, Lukaku and now Sanchez. They've had periods as poor as Martial at his worst this season but have all been allowed to play through it. Same cannot be said for Martial.
Sanchez may run around a lot more, but nothing the past 2 months has shown me a better player than Martial. He's also 8 years older and spent longer in the league and has much more experience.
Martial's talent is clear for the world to see. Should we lose him he'd go on to be class.
Edit - my fears of Rashford and Martial not progressing from their first season seem to be coming into fruition. It was a massive worry when we hired Mourinho. Seeing how Pep's system allows for Sterling, Sane, Bernado, Jesus to deliver - can't help but wonder what could have been.
if he can't work hard he will never reach that special potential people talk about, he will be just a nice technical player. He's lazy, if he can't put in a shift let's just sell him. He should be probably kept for another season or one other season under a different manager but he's just too laid back.
The most frustrating thing about Martial is not his lack of workrate, per se, but his lack of movement in behind the opposition defence. It's infuriating. You watch players like Sane who are superb at making those penetrating runs in behind and then watch Martial - they're chalk and cheese. The thing is, he's just as fast as Sane and has the close ball control to be able to do it. So it's not a technique issue but more of an attitude problem; there's just very little movement from him.
As for the actual topic of the thread, i would still keep him. He has the talent and it would be a shame to let him go this early. I would love for him to succeed here.
As for the actual topic of the thread, i would still keep him. He has the talent and it would be a shame to let him go this early. I would love for him to succeed here.
I don't think it's a shortcut. It's good to have big players to allow the younger ones to flourish. There's no point always looking to the potential in the future without anything now. We usually had a base of world class players, with excellent young players around them (who are already good enough to contribute well but also have the best brought out of them by the others) and then a few filler/utility players that were dedicated.
I see no problem with buying the world class talent after how badly the shape of the team ended up, specially considering how fecked football is now thanks to PSG, City et al. You need to keep up somewhere close to their spending otherwise you're gonna be solid second tier before long.
Sell him with a buy back clause
They almost make me not like Martial.
Same. Which is a pity. Because he’s fecking great to watch on his day.
Of course, the exact same thing was true of Nani.
I think Martial leaving is good for all parties.
We have 3 LWs, replacing one of those with a RW would make much more sense for the balance of team. Yes, this means we are losing one of our top youngster on whom we have already invested lot of time, money and effort. BUt what good it will bring by just benching him and not giving him any game time.
For Martial, moving to a new club means he will have a lot more playing time and that might help him realize his potential.
For the buying club, they would get a youngster who already has a good experience at top level, and who has great technical ability.
I want him to suceed whereever he goes, even if that means he go on to become a top player at one of our rivals like Arsenal.
We have 3 LWs, replacing one of those with a RW would make much more sense for the balance of team. Yes, this means we are losing one of our top youngster on whom we have already invested lot of time, money and effort. BUt what good it will bring by just benching him and not giving him any game time.
For Martial, moving to a new club means he will have a lot more playing time and that might help him realize his potential.
For the buying club, they would get a youngster who already has a good experience at top level, and who has great technical ability.
I want him to suceed whereever he goes, even if that means he go on to become a top player at one of our rivals like Arsenal.
Will never be able to wrap my head around opinions like this...
Where have people got the idea that Martial will be sold? Tabloid nonsense?
He plays regularly and contributes goals and assists. Has the potential to be a top player. Unless Martial angles for a move he's not going anywhere.
There aren't many clubs he'll go to better than this, he will cost a pretty penny and most clubs won't have the budget to spend on him.
He plays regularly and contributes goals and assists. Has the potential to be a top player. Unless Martial angles for a move he's not going anywhere.
There aren't many clubs he'll go to better than this, he will cost a pretty penny and most clubs won't have the budget to spend on him.
Oh, i agree with your general points and this was the gist of my initial post. The bit you quoted was me thinking about the possibility which seems to be what many fans fear: Us selling Martial and replacing him with Bale (?) in order to attain the experience and the consistency that will allow us to take the final step toward the 90+ tally and properly challenge for the title. This is because Mourinho is not renown for his extensive rotation but for sticking with his go-to men on the pitch. Now, you can argue that this is exactly what we may need because of the bad choices we made in the recent past and the money being spent by teams that are already better than us but it's still a shortcut. A shortcut in the sense that we'll be putting all our hopes in a side with a possible two or three-year lifespan to deliver the goods and provide the platform for a more successful rebuilding this time around.
Nah, according to many he'd only start for Arsenal at a push. Besides, he isn't that good on the right wing.
Not in recent weeks. Was only chosen as a sub vs Sevilla after we were losing with just 13 mins left of the game, not even picked off the bench v Swansea and unlikely to play much against City either.
If Mourinho had a problem with that, he'd have made it public by now like he usually does and Martial wouldn't have played anywhere near as much as he has this season.
Martial has pace, skill, and finishing ability. I think united would be missing a massive trick if they got rid. This guy has bags of potential and has shown he can do the business, in my opinion.
I don't really get the concept of 'fans' disliking a player simply because of they believe he gets too much love from a portion of supporters but they seem very prevelant in Martial threads. Seems very tit for tat.
With regards to this thread, has there even been any serious speculation about him leaving?
With regards to this thread, has there even been any serious speculation about him leaving?
Ok, so whatever period makes it look like Martial is being singled out is the one you'll pick? What about earlier in the season when he started 6 or 7 games in a row, were you talking about him not being given game time just because he didn't play 15 games in a row?
He was just injured. And he played 90 minutes in our most important game of the season, now that we are out of the CL and top 4 is secured.
You seem to be arguing that Martial isn’t being picked as much as he could be while also arguing that he’s been picked so much that Mourinho couldn’t have any issue with him. All in the same post.
@Damien is selectively picking periods of the season to suit his point.Martial rotates on the LW depending on what qualities are needed for the game. He is a valuable squad player that can develop into a guaranteed starter. But this is apparently not good enough and we should play Martial no matter what the game or his form despite his deficiencies in his game.