To claim that he is off surely is obvs. equally wrong but that doesn't make your post any better really. The equation is basically him being friends with everybody at Spurs, feeling some dedication to the project he worked on a couple of years and the promise to continue to do so v. more money, more high profile and better prospects across the board. Difficult to see how he couldn't at the very least be tempted. And who knows the football globe turns fast, it might be a one off opportunity.
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To claim that he is off surely is obvs. equally wrong but that doesn't make your post any better really. The equation is basically him being friends with everybody at Spurs, feeling some dedication to the project he worked on a couple of years and the promise to continue to do so v. more money, more high profile and better prospects across the board. Difficult to see how he couldn't at the very least be tempted. And who knows the football globe turns fast, it might be a one off opportunity.
Your quote wasn't though
Hahahaha. I'd be lovely if poch leaves for madrid. Love it.
Says a lot when Poch himself is being coy to the press but you know for a fact that not only is he not interested in the madrid job, he's already let it be known to Perez.
When you have someone saying he knows Poch has already said No to perez, it isn't confidence. It's stupidly burying your head in the sand.
Yes, it was.
Wait.
People question whether the current manager of Tottenham Hotspur would accept the vacant managerial position at Real Madrid if offered?
Seriously?
Lads. It's Spurs.
People question whether the current manager of Tottenham Hotspur would accept the vacant managerial position at Real Madrid if offered?
Seriously?
Lads. It's Spurs.
What else do you think signing the new contract at Spurs - only days before the CL final - was all about?
People can impose their wishful thinking interpretations on every (often mis-translated) word he says - e.g. he's "being coy to the press" - but actions speaks louder than words.
Signing a 5 year, new contract has been Pochettino's action: everything else is just dust trailing in its wake.
Nooooo it wasn't
It's rather more than a 'promise' ... he signed a contract. And the 'couple of years' is actually 4 years and counting. And the 'project' includes a hugely important milestone looming on the horizon: the grand opening of our new stadium at the start of the coming season.
So you're telling me what my own words refer to, despite my telling you the contrary? Go hassle someone else.
You said Poch has turned down jobs like Madrid before and will again no?
Madrid can be a toxic environment due to the way the president behaved. Zidane was not affected by this because he is Zidane.
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If hes staying he must of got some guarantee from the board and Levy that they are going to make some big investments this transfer window for 'the project'. Interesting if so, Spurs splashing the cash this xfer window then?
They definitely need some investment, down to two main CB's if Alderweireld goes, which seems likely, Dembele and Winks the midfield drive and creativity are crocks, Llorente is what 33, 34? Might squeeze one more year out of him i guess, I feel Kane needs some real backup up top however.
So what are Spurs fans thinking 100mil plus player sales for the new stadium opening?
They definitely need some investment, down to two main CB's if Alderweireld goes, which seems likely, Dembele and Winks the midfield drive and creativity are crocks, Llorente is what 33, 34? Might squeeze one more year out of him i guess, I feel Kane needs some real backup up top however.
So what are Spurs fans thinking 100mil plus player sales for the new stadium opening?
A contract is nothing more than a promise albeit with legal enforcement. The stadium sure looks nice. The move is on Poch. Wait and see.
Now you're saying my quote was with reference to RM. A few minutes ago you claimed it wasn't, despite my telling you otherwise.
I'm tired of back-tracking, twisting and turning posters like you who are desperate to try and point score.
Pochettino effectively turned his back on RM the moment he chose to sign a new contract with Spurs. The bottom-line is that Pochettino will not be going to RM this summer. Get over it.
Ah so now you're changing your tune (is anyone surprised about that, of course not). You've gone from saying he has turned down jobs like the Madrid one and will again to now he's only effectively done that because he got a pay rise (because lets face it that's the only reason he signed said contract)
I'll let you work out what changed since signing the contract
I think he will remain loyal to Spurs for now if they have agreed to spend money this summer and given him the contract. The Real job will be available again within the next 3 years, he is still young.
I can't see Pochettino leaving Spurs this Summer... However it's absolutely nothing to do with Spurs and is solely to do with the current climate at Madrid.
There would be almost no chance that he could be deemed a success with Madrid at the moment. If he won the Champions League, it would be put down to the squad who've won it 4 times in the last 5 years. If he won La Liga but didn't win the Champions League, with their huge CL focus he'd be in a similar position to Mourinho who was heavily criticised for his lack of success in the Champions League. If he won nothing he'd be sacked, if he won merely the Spanish Cup he'd be sacked, if he "only" won La Liga it'd be deemed a decent season at best, and if he only won the Champions League it would be deemed a good but unremarkable season. He'd literally have to win the treble to be seen as a huge success.
Then you look at this "once in a lifetime" rhetoric that people are putting out in regards to the Real Madrid job. With players this is probably the case, but Madrid tend to employ a new manager every 18 months or so... Common sense would suggest with the current stability at Spurs that Pochettino given his age will continue to be an attractive option for Madrid and that they are more than likely to be back in for him either next Summer or the Summer after, once another manager has failed to replicate Zidane's success.
At this point I imagine the job will also be more attractive for a number of reasons. Firstly there will be less pressure as Zidane's success won't be the bench mark. Secondly they will be looking to rebuild with the likes of Ronaldo, Ramos, Modric, Benzema and possibly Bale either leaving or being phased out, which from a managerial point of view means his tactics could be implemented much more easily. Thirdly due to point two there will be lots of money available and I can imagine him looking to bring a few players who're already familiar with his style of play... The likes of Erikson/Kane/Sanchez for example who would be perfect replacements to Modric/Benzema/Ramos etc, all three of which will be looking for a big career move in that point in time.
If I were a betting man I'd say Pochettino and Kane both to Madrid in 2020.
There would be almost no chance that he could be deemed a success with Madrid at the moment. If he won the Champions League, it would be put down to the squad who've won it 4 times in the last 5 years. If he won La Liga but didn't win the Champions League, with their huge CL focus he'd be in a similar position to Mourinho who was heavily criticised for his lack of success in the Champions League. If he won nothing he'd be sacked, if he won merely the Spanish Cup he'd be sacked, if he "only" won La Liga it'd be deemed a decent season at best, and if he only won the Champions League it would be deemed a good but unremarkable season. He'd literally have to win the treble to be seen as a huge success.
Then you look at this "once in a lifetime" rhetoric that people are putting out in regards to the Real Madrid job. With players this is probably the case, but Madrid tend to employ a new manager every 18 months or so... Common sense would suggest with the current stability at Spurs that Pochettino given his age will continue to be an attractive option for Madrid and that they are more than likely to be back in for him either next Summer or the Summer after, once another manager has failed to replicate Zidane's success.
At this point I imagine the job will also be more attractive for a number of reasons. Firstly there will be less pressure as Zidane's success won't be the bench mark. Secondly they will be looking to rebuild with the likes of Ronaldo, Ramos, Modric, Benzema and possibly Bale either leaving or being phased out, which from a managerial point of view means his tactics could be implemented much more easily. Thirdly due to point two there will be lots of money available and I can imagine him looking to bring a few players who're already familiar with his style of play... The likes of Erikson/Kane/Sanchez for example who would be perfect replacements to Modric/Benzema/Ramos etc, all three of which will be looking for a big career move in that point in time.
If I were a betting man I'd say Pochettino and Kane both to Madrid in 2020.
I haven't changed anything. I've said he'd already spurned any chance to manage RM this summer when he chose to sign a new contract with Spurs. If he'd wanted to keep a potential route to RM open then he would have waited a few days until after the CL final outcome was known. This much is obvious.
Prior to this we had Pochettino-to-PSG stories, which again collapsed into dust.
Nor have I said that he turned down RM "because he got a pay rise". The idea is silly because doubtless RM would pay him more than Spurs, which means that he wants to stay at Spurs for other reasons besides just money.
It seems beyond you to imagine that perhaps Pochettino likes being at Spurs, likes how the club has progressed since he arrived, thinks he can take the players further and is looking forward to the new stadium.
Very possibly he will take the RM job at some future date, but he doesn't need to rush and has plenty of time (the suggestion that they'll only offer the job once is bollocks).
Perhaps you'd care to explain why he didn't wait a few days (to sign the new contract) until after the CL final outcome - and the fate of Zidane - was known?
Progress at last! It makes a nice change from the usual "this summer for sure" narrative spin
He'll basically leave if Madrid are willing to stump up a lot of money to Spurs for him. I very much doubt they will though considering the length of the contract, if Zidane announced his resignation before Poch signed his contract he would already be gone.
It is a strange arrogance. There's not many who have turned the likes of Real or Barcelona down.
The big question is do Real Madrid, serial winners, actually want a guy with no pots to his name.
If they do, it'd be hard to see him turning it down. Signing a contract a few days before doesn't mean as much as they think, as Zidane stepping down was out of the blue.
It's absolutely blown the window open. Bale, Ronaldo, Hazard and various managers now all in a flux of what's going on.
We all would. Same with Klopp, as when either team's manager goes, they will drop a gear.
Would be fun reading his fanboys opinion when he cant cut it with Madrid.
I'm not sure I see Kane ever leaving to be honest. Seems the homebody type, already earning big money, and while he wants to win, won't do anything for it.
Poch would have a tough job at Real, but it's pretty much the pinnacle. He's got a pretty tough job where he is! He's had his 2nd place finishes, and dropped off that this season. That's with us flattering to deceive a bit, Chelsea completely dropping out of it, and Arsenal in a Wenger-esque mess.
Next season, they might find 4th is a great result
Well... 5 years of lesser money is better than 1 year wage + pittance severance pay
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On a serious note. I'd be anxious if i were pochetinno. He surely has some believe in his ability. Every manager does even moyes believes in their own ability.
Sadly this is madrid. You can be a very good coach winning the league or cl and still get the boots.
If poch cant win the big one in his first season there'll be no second season and his reputation would take a dent. He's on the rise with totenham because he can hide (whether he intends to or just a byproduct of managing spurs) behind the comfort zone of not expected to win anything
I'm not sure we'd be able to read about it on redcafe, as the forum would explode due to the amount of people quoting Glaston on his posts about his certainty he wasn't leaving.
Absolutely none of us have access to what’s going on in Pochettino’s mind so your predictions is as good as anyone.
Being offered the most prestigious manager job in the world isn’t something you just dismiss without concideration. Let’s wait and see before making bold statements.
My first reaction to this was that he’s stying with Spurs, but I know what dreams can do to your mind.
You know how it works. When the local media starts their campaign, key players big him up, Perez doing his thing and suddenly it’s easy to start to dream. On top of that he has his family whispering in his ear. This is going to be long ride. Relax Glaston and accept whatever happens, then you don’t have to be so disappointed if your Messiah leaves.
Tbf at this time there's not many suitable candidates for madrid. They've sacked all the good ones before
Having reconsidered this, I actually don’t see it happening at all.
Don’t Real Madrid usually go for managers who have a record of winning things?
Don’t Real Madrid usually go for managers who have a record of winning things?
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The thing is even he was not deemed as successful for Madrid, his reputation when he left would be greater than at Tottenham with their trophyless streak. He can land top job easier. Now at Tottenham, the longer he stay, the more questions would be thrown at his ambition. If he ever slipped (the competition keeps being raised by other clubs), his reputation gets more harmed than not successful at Madrid. It's one of the job as comes from the horse mouth: "you have to listen" because of that. Also even achievement being downplayed, it's better to add achievement to your CV than having nowt to show
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Yeah, just like Kyle Walker effectively turned his back on City the moment he chose to sign a new 5-year contract at Spurs. Remind us all how that one turned out
Yeah, just like Kyle Walker effectively turned his back on City the moment he chose to sign a new 5-year contract at Spurs. Remind us all how that one turned out
That was a year before he was sold, not a few days. So if this is your parallel it doesn't point to Pochettino leaving for RM this summer.
So by his parallel, he's leaving next summer for sure?
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