Feck sake. First his hair and now balancing nails on his head? No wonder he's shite.
Why so much hate for Pogba?
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Feck sake. First his hair and now balancing nails on his head? No wonder he's shite.
Who said this?
Think it’s more a term used now for unwarranted criticism.
You might have missed his performance thread. Lukaku clearly struggles with being a target man and has great link up play on the ground, but it doesn't stop people pigeon holing him into being a donkey with little technical qualities
Pogba was an ex-United player, when he was in Juve everything was relatively okay.
The shitstorm started when he stopped the war with Sir Alex and came back to United... the price tag probably didn't help too.
The shitstorm started when he stopped the war with Sir Alex and came back to United... the price tag probably didn't help too.
He’s the most expensive singing in English football history, plays for a United, loves media attention and has been at best disappointing for us since he resigned. Does that not go some way to explaing the focus on him - rightly or wrongly.
If he spent less time in the carpentry shop...
Actually I have followed him from before he joined us. His general control was a poorer element of his game and it's been much improved since joining us. This is the general consensus I've found from following readers here too.
Obviously strength and physicality are stronger skill-sets than technical prowess in his case. But that's not to say he's not got any technique whatsoever and its certainly not to say hes black so he's only good for being strong. I'm a bit confused why people are making a lazy link to race in this manner.
Smalling is hated because he is black as well, nothing to do with his game.
Because he plays for United, cost a bucket of money and makes himself extra visible, be it on the field or on social media etc. Any player when taking into consideration those 3 variables had better be putting in top tier performances every week or they'd also be taking flak.
Explains why Southgate didn't pick him
Cost a lot of money.
Plays for Manchester United.
Is foreign (and black too no less).
Has generally underperformed.
Has notions.
Any and all of those reasons, I suspect.
Plays for Manchester United.
Is foreign (and black too no less).
Has generally underperformed.
Has notions.
Any and all of those reasons, I suspect.
Explains why Southgate didn't pick him
The despicable racist.
United biggest stars always get stick, just the nature of the world. If he starts shaving his head, he'll get criticised for something else.
So if a player is black and or plays for Man Utd they get rough treatment from the media.
Got it.
Not RAWK like at all.
Got it.
Not RAWK like at all.
One thing is the United connection. He definitely deserves some of his criticism, but it's now far over the top, almost spiteful - and he nor anyone else deserves that.
The only thing he can do is to ignore it and work on his game. He needs good direction from someone (not sure who that is), who can help him with his game.
Only putting in consistent performances will help him.
I also wonder at the huge publicity push he got (maybe orchestrated by his agent) before he came back to United. Every time there were articles about how United shouldn't have let him go and how great he was at Juventus. For me, I thought he was inconsistent even then, but most people were taken in.
Now he has nowhere to hide being at United, and maybe some fans are disappointed he hasn't lived up to that hype? I dunno. Irrespective of anything, I think the press and ex players need to cool it sometimes.
The only thing he can do is to ignore it and work on his game. He needs good direction from someone (not sure who that is), who can help him with his game.
Only putting in consistent performances will help him.
I also wonder at the huge publicity push he got (maybe orchestrated by his agent) before he came back to United. Every time there were articles about how United shouldn't have let him go and how great he was at Juventus. For me, I thought he was inconsistent even then, but most people were taken in.
Now he has nowhere to hide being at United, and maybe some fans are disappointed he hasn't lived up to that hype? I dunno. Irrespective of anything, I think the press and ex players need to cool it sometimes.
Because we know what he capable for but he didn't show enough consistency to do it.
But today everyone shite bar Pogba and Kante, but of course no credit to him.
But today everyone shite bar Pogba and Kante, but of course no credit to him.
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Raheem Stirling.
Got to be a special case here - a true victim of the media in my opinion. They invade his personal life for no fecking reason.
Never seen that happen with Rashford, Lingard, Young etc. It's truly bizzare and I'm glad commentators called the Sun out in the friendly warm up matches.
Pogba broke a taboo. He showed the middle finger to SAF who was pretty much the don in the EPL by leaving United, he built a career elsewhere and then returned as the most expensive midfielder in the EPL, breaking the myth that once you leave United the only way is down. Roberto Baggio did the same with Sacchi (AC Milan's establishment) and Lippi (Juventus establishment). That + his reluctance to leave Italy explains why the best no 10 in the past 30 years ended up playing for Brescia.
Luckily for Pogba, he's got a manager that backs him up, an agent who would spank anyone who tries to hurt his players and he's wise enough to move places if things get too poisonous.
Luckily for Pogba, he's got a manager that backs him up, an agent who would spank anyone who tries to hurt his players and he's wise enough to move places if things get too poisonous.
Its not only a English thing though. I was reading a Dutch forum during the match and Pogba was getting 'hate' there too and during the season he gets called overrated, shit and a waste of money multiple times every match (its almost like redcafe)
I think it has to do with his social media activities, him being the former most expensive footballer all time, not having a goal/assist every match and the fact he plays for United/Mourinho.
I really dont understand the hate.. he might not always play like a world class midfielder but he has qualities no other player in the world has (strenght combined with technique and vision) and his stats -despite what people claim- arent bad at all either.
I think it has to do with his social media activities, him being the former most expensive footballer all time, not having a goal/assist every match and the fact he plays for United/Mourinho.
I really dont understand the hate.. he might not always play like a world class midfielder but he has qualities no other player in the world has (strenght combined with technique and vision) and his stats -despite what people claim- arent bad at all either.
Maybe 'cause he should be the "greatest" outfield player by now..
Foreign commentators trust local based commentators judgement. You can't expect someone from Holland etc to know the EPL as much as the likes of Carra and the Nevilles do. Thus it creates a contagion were criticism at local level is spilled abroad as well.
In Italy things are different. English players are seen differently in Italy ie players with plenty of heart and not lot of brains or talent to go by. Thus they take what the likes of Gaz say with a pinch of salt
Strong start but you lost me at the being black bit.
He's hated because he plays for United, but there's so much pressure on him to be the best player on the pitch that's he can't win.
Exactly and that's the major issue I have.
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Cost a lot of money.
Has generally underperformed.
Has generally underperformed.
Has generally underperformed.
So your suggesting that the French public take their lead from Graham Souness??
There's a lot of truth to this.He likes fancy haircuts and he’s a United player. Two key credentials to being hated in football.
Hated, Adored, Never Ignored
With Griezmann's embarrassing histrionics (the decision, etc) if he had joined us he would be ripped apart consistently.
I think they take the local pundits opinion in consideration. I've noticed that quite a lot between the Serie A, the Maltese commentators and the EPL. Things said during games on local level are repeated 2-3 games after by the foreign ones. Which is fair enough since the premise is that these people know their stuff. Who would pay millions to pundits whose got no clue what they are saying right?
There is no doubt that some casual fans get their lead from pundits view but most match day supporters go by what they see on the pitch.
Those players don't fit the profile of someone who the press would destroy. Rashford, by all accounts, is humble, keeps his head down, and until recently lived with his Mum. Lingard is a local lad like Rashford and only became somewhat relevant this year, but is still quite unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
Young deservedly received a lot of heat in 2012 because of his diving. But he's been out of the spotlight since then, because he's also not a star or particularly important to England or even United.
Sterling is young, prococious, made a huge money move to City, made Scousers angry (always a recipe to sell papers and the media will lap that spiteful shit up). He had a kid at 15. He also doesn't come across as humble. And his Jamaican background. Now it's all wrong spiteful bollocks, and Sterling's treatment is beyond unfair. However he is a prime target in a way the 3 players you listed are not.
In France too. And I don't think that people hate Pogba because he plays for United or Mourinho. They just hate him.
Eh?
The gutter press like to find someone/anyone that they can create controversy around to sell papers, always have always will. The people most responsible are those that buy that rubbish.
Did Beckham fit the profile of someone they wanted to destroy? Rooney?
I would argue that Beckham absolutely did fit that profile. He dated a slice girl. He was flamboyant. Successful. A top top footballer and a model. He sold papers worldwide. Beckham was the press ultimate dream.
Rooney did too because he was supremely talented. He was touted as the best teenager in the world when he broke onto the world stage. He was a global superstar. He came from a tough background and made a big money move like Sterling did, and he also made some publically questionable decisions that the media loved.
The price does not help him but he has two players, both not even 20, that cost more than him. Both were awful today.
Pogba's hair is distracting him from football. Bryan Robson and Roy Keane's drinking was how the real pros prepared for matches.
There is unfair hatred based on what he does outside of football when it fairness it should have feck all to do when judging the footballer.
You weren't paying attention before the start of the last season when pundits where certain that Moratta would be the better more "intelligent" striker when he signed for Chelsea.
its not even subtle - forgetting that Rom is very intelligent, very studious and speaks some 6 languages - none of that matters because he's such a unit/ beast/ tank and whatever other descriptions given to black physical players.
Show me where british pundits and media, like your Paul Mersons or Jaime Redknapps or whoever it may be, went out and called Morata to be a better signing than Lukaku and dumbed down the latter.
I genuinely don't recall this (in fact I recall the likes of Merson pre-grading Lukaku as a great piece of business at the start of the season for his more established premier league record than Morata).