The main reason for this I think, is his arrogance in the media and the media hype created around him. He seems to put more effort into his media status and hairdo's than his football on the pitch. He was bought for a WR fee and the expectations were high and that has all gone to his head. Instead of his football taking off it has regressed the only thing that has taken off is his ego and that is why he gets ridden so hard in the press and by pundits.
Why so much hate for Pogba?
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explain what you are lolling at? I assume you are aware of Fergies issues with his haircuts
I certainly not saying that it's the main issue at all just it's tainted the football discussions at times. Like you rightly said, it's even applicable in the media by pundits. The question posed was why he's so hated and I suspect that's as much about him and what he stands for than him. I also suspect that irrespective of whether he was good or not, the haters would still be hating. This isn't just about football.
Oh I agree there, but I wouldnt put that down to race either. Many people just find shit like the dabbing and the amount of effort he puts into his dances as annoying probably, which is fine. Obviously it's a lot about nothing, but everyone will always love a player who just does his stuff normally and then goes home and ignores the limelight more then someone who always looks for the limelight. Many oppo fans find lingard annoying for the same reason. Same as Pogbas haircuts. Everyone is hating on Neymars haircut for the same reason. Most of them just look a bit shit if we're being honest. Its little things like that which people just view as kinda dumb or annoying and make him an easy target. That and being a world record transfer before he ever deserved that tag. If he actually performed on the pitch, people would be fine. But hes very inconsistent on it, was never worth that money, and then has all the other shit.
Let's be honest, if Pogba was a liverpool player we would all be laughing at him and hating on him constantly. Even if he was for spurs or Chelsea, same thing. Most characters who seek the limelight like that get that treatment, just its not so loud when they back it up on the pitch.
Like I said, it's funny how the antics of the players named are black ones. It's strange cause the barometer is always against stuff that's inherently white. Is the haircut shit or just not white. Is the dancing dumb or not white. Is the way the dress stupid or just not white. Some will see it different I'm sure but for me it's strange how he needs to be good for those things to be excepted when others can have whatever haircuts they want, dress the way they want and celebrate the way they want to after scoring.....I agree if he played for Liverpool we would be laughing at him as it's not the team, it would be the same issues which is exactly my point.
Oh, there's never any mention of him being French or any French stereotypes....aren't they applicable or is that too general?
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I can't swim, nor can I dance, so not really sure what color/colour i'm supposed to be.
Anyhow, thanks for educating me.
Same criticisms go to Griezmann, so I disagree. It's not about it being white or not white. Just some things look a bit ridiculous and "not natural". When people try too hard to stick out like that, it's usually to get noticed with what they're doing, so people will focus more on them.
Everyone laughed when Messi died his hair blonde because it looked weird. But at the end of the day, hes never been someone who goes for the limelight much beyond the pitch. And plus, he was still tearing it up, so they were like "feck it, you do you as long as you perform".
It's basically like this. If some nobody does all the things that attract publicity, well nobody really gives a feck because hes not very good and not very popular in the first place. If it's some huge name, and they play like shit, then their every movement will be analyzed and criticized, especially if they're like Pogba where they love the limelight and the fame. He can get whatever haircut he wants or dance however he wants, I couldn't care less, but when you're the most expensive player in the world (for a year) but dont justify that tag on the pitch, then everyone is going to say stuff like "more focused on his hair then his game". Nobody would give a feck or say anything if he put in great performances all the time. But it's very easy to hate on him when he flops and has all that stuff. If he flops but is some quiet guy, well then people dont care too much.
I hope our supporters get behind him next season. You don't mind a bit of constructive criticism of our players but it's verging on a witch hunt against him. Time to stick 2 fingers up at the world and get behind our guy like we've done so many times in the past.
Sorry we'll have to agree to disagree.
So you disagree that literally the same criticisms get thrown at Griezmann, with the main difference being he performs on the pitch so he doesnt get it as bad? This isnt due to race. Maybe for some, but the vast minority. It's because of how expensive he is, his reputation, and how hes been a flop so far.
90% of things said by football media is said for no other reason than to get attention. Paul Pogba's name gets clicks, and that's how websites get paid and pundits get quoted. That's simply all there is to it. They'll say whatever gets the most attention, and if that's "Paul Pogba is shit!" or "Raheem Sterling is the devil!" then that's what they'll say. It isn't based on anything other than the need to get as many people as possible to click on the link. Pogba just happens to be a) a United player and b) a recent high-profile transfer, and that's the golden formula for clicks. Don't bother trying to analyze it any further.
He isn't hated. Suarez is hated. Rival fans see Pogba as a source of amusement. You said no white people are held to the same standards then someone immediately mentioned Griezmann, who also only a matter of days ago made a gesture of self importance that fans in general unanimously lambasted him for
Name a top international player with a tattoo disrespecting women?
His tattoo is open to easily be misinterpreted . If I see a tattoo of a joint I don't think it must be related to anti drugs, similarly with a tattoo of a knife.
He should get a big red circle around the gun with a line crossing it out.....no issue then
Are you implying something here?
Personally, I do not believe for a second that the criticism aimed at Pobga is race related. Simply that he has yet to meet expectations. Nothing more nothing less.
Griezmann gets criticised for embarrassing black cultural stuff. What he does is from the black culture. It’s not white cultural so the same point stands. I agree with @Litch here. Don’t think I’m saying this to be disrespectful it just is what it is. Unfortunately these things exist.
What he puts on ‘his’ body is up to him it’s not for us to assume and judge. If he wants a gun so what... he’s not shooting no one and if it encourages kids to pick up a gun and shoot, then parents and society should do their job not Sterling.
Christ , have you ever gone to the barber? it takes like 30 mins to get a trim all u do is sit down. there's no effort involved. I really dont get this narrative, it doesnt take him anymore effort than the next guy.
Being annoyed by his haircut is fecking crazy to me 
Makes no sense whatsoever
Makes no sense whatsoeverNope. The question was genuine.
The criticism aimed at Pogba is partly race motivated. Not on the lines of, "some people who criticize him hate black people". That's ridiculous.
However there is an insidious pattern where black athletes get criticized for shit that white athletes get a pass for. The motives for that may be unclear, or it may be an unconscious action. However categorically denying any sort of racial bias is sweeping the issue under the floor, and it does no good for posters to shy away from the topic or insist that the criticisms of Pogba are entirely related to his performances on the pitch. They're not. Otherwise I wouldn't be hearing about his off-pitch endeavors.
Simply, check yourself. Even if you think you have the best of intentions on this subject.
Like what? Genuine question.
Don’t get why people think he is arrogant! Every interview I see with Pogba he comes across very well and actually has a personality. I listened to Harry Kane the other day on TV and he could barely string a sentence together yet the BBC, BT and Sky Wank over everything he does.
Is it black culture or just modern Instagram culture? Things like the take the L celebration is from fortnite, made hugely popular from memes on Instagram and all that. Griezmann got loads of criticism from acting like an attention seeking twat with the whole transfer saga thing. It's not so much criticism just like most people seriously dont criticize Pogbas haircuts, but Griezmann had some pretty shit haircuts too. People said things, though in the end, he performs better on the pitch so it goes under the "you do you as long as you perform" column. Pogba doesnt perform, so everything he does that is different from the ordinary gets focused on and are little things to cite as reasons for being irritating or things to pick on. It's like an unwritten rule in the minds of many people (very old fashioned thinking of course, but anyway) that any player needs to basically earn his stripes before he can feck around and be in the spotlight. It's why you have so many ex players who in the past have said "he should worry less about his dancing and Instagram videos and more about playing". Like how back in the day they wouldnt let players have flashy boots until they made it past the youth teams. Basically earning the right to do what you want, and before that staying in line and proving your worth.
Not to say I agree with a lot of that, just what I think is more the reason for the hate. He got a record transfer, so much hype, all the fame and always looking for the publicity which makes anyone an easy target, but it gets amplified when you dont perform and Pogba so far has not.
Also I agree that of course the racial issues exist. In some part with Pogba too. For the most part though, hes an easy target because of how much publicity he gets, the money, and then him failing to perform on the pitch. Plenty of players get hated on for whatever reason. People love seeing hyped up players fail just like people love seeing any sort of upset. You become a record transfer and you get dropped? Nothing better for rival fans.
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I always looked at how Rio Ferdinand was treated compared to John Terry. Only thing I could see there was racism.
The more they criticise Pogba the more Pogba talks about the people giving the criticism. Thus generating debate around it and the person handing out the critiscism. I think they critsize him as it makes more headlines than praising him would. Not saying this is totally true on all occasions because some of it is justified. In his game for France he was easily their best player but still came in for more critiscim than some of the other players who deserved it more.
If Griezmann spent more time on preparations for the game instead of that ridiculous video to announce his future maybe he would have played a lot better in that game. Mbappe wasn’t great and Dembele was awful yet Pogba who got an assist and a “goal” came off as the villain
If Griezmann spent more time on preparations for the game instead of that ridiculous video to announce his future maybe he would have played a lot better in that game. Mbappe wasn’t great and Dembele was awful yet Pogba who got an assist and a “goal” came off as the villain
Think some people go overboard with accusations of racism.
Was Henry criticised? When he played poorly, he was. By and large, he was admired though and considered the best player in the PL history.
If Pogba delivers according to the expectations, he will be widely admired too. No one would give shit about his handshakes, haircuts, dances and off the field antics.
When you behave like one of the biggest stars around but fail to perform on the pitch like such a star, you attract criticisms. It's as simple as that.
Was Henry criticised? When he played poorly, he was. By and large, he was admired though and considered the best player in the PL history.
If Pogba delivers according to the expectations, he will be widely admired too. No one would give shit about his handshakes, haircuts, dances and off the field antics.
When you behave like one of the biggest stars around but fail to perform on the pitch like such a star, you attract criticisms. It's as simple as that.
You are misinterpreting my post, I don’t think so personally I really like Pogba but do believe that he has a hell of a lot more to offer than what we are seeing and getting. My post is what I believe is the reason for all the criticism he is getting, as that is the way he is being perceived in media. In the media and social media you’re always seeing his new hairdo’s, or his dabbing and dancing or his sponsorship responsibilities. You never see him working out in the gym or the training he does on the field. Then every week the world gets to view his performances on the field and react accordingly. Pogba made his WR transfer 2 years ago and under Jose he has regressed instead of taking off and lighting up the sky like everyone expected and that just fuels the fire for criticism.
Fully agree, if Pogba wasn’t a black player race would not be mentioned. If we take the World Cup now with France their team and fans are made up of all colours and races, yet 70% of the French fans don’t want him in the team. That will be based on his antics and poor performances on the pitch and have nothing to do with race as all they see is a frenchman.
He's the third-most expensive player in the world. With his status, you have to hold him to the standards of Ronaldo, Bale, Messi, Neymar, Coutinho, Salah and so forth. And he just doesn't deliver like they do.
Anyone holding Pogba to the standards of Ronaldo and Messi because he cost £89m is an idiot. That isn't how football works. If Messi moved in that window he would've been over double Pogba's price.
Of course Ronaldo and Messi are in a league of their own. But Pogba's status within the game, as well as his price, means you would, or should, expect him to perform like a world-class player on a regular basis. He doesn't, and thus deserves the criticism he's getting. He's playing below any reasonable expectations more often than not.
Coutinho is a fair comparison and barometer for Pogba
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Absolutely spot on. Yes unpalatable it may be for some or uncomfortable for others, it exists including on here. Some as you say unconsciously but there's others who fully are aware of their motives behind what they post. Its not what people post, it's the racial stereotypes that it's based on. It's only months ago the chat around Rom's penis made the media. When ever have we had a chat of this nature at OT. Wasn't this based on a racial stereotype?
You’ve got a point! Can’t disagree.
What a load of bollocks. I shouldn't be surprised though with a username like that.
But he is Black? Im not sure but I suspect they don't want him cause they are frustrated as we are with his performances but I've not read anything to suggested it's due to his hair, clothes, dancing, cars or his use of social media? Ok that could be applicable to any high profile footballer but it's the context of how it's used and remarkably never used in the same context with his white counterparts. I heard on BBC before the WC game the presenter describing his current haircut as 'normal'. Normal to who?
Trust me if you knew anything about French politics, you'd know they see much more than a Frenchman....
how is he arrogant? what has he done or say that suggests such? how has is ego taken off? wtf
Fifth then because there is also Dembélé