But you didn't apply this logic for Cavani and Suarez who are playing at their peaks and Neymar was still improving.
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But you didn't apply this logic for Cavani and Suarez who are playing at their peaks and Neymar was still improving.
Ignoring numbers and everything, it's obvious that Neymar is quality player and easily one of the best in the world. Apart form putting good numbers, his style of play is entertaining. Ofcourse comes with baggage but he plays with such flair and freestyle it's just so good to watch.
Of course he can't put as good number as Messi and Ronaldo, no one can, that's doesn't mean his end product isn't great.
Unfortunately, we won't see Neymar at his best this summer as his recent performances are disappointing.
I blame his poor physical condition following his injury, which explains his lack of impact and his nonexistent defensive contribution.
The only positive progress is about his comedy skills with Brazil.
I blame his poor physical condition following his injury, which explains his lack of impact and his nonexistent defensive contribution.
The only positive progress is about his comedy skills with Brazil.
the world cup his happening now, not in 3 months. Don't see how injuries correlate to an increase in showboating and selfishness of play.
He's a good player no doubt, but he is not the undoubtedly 3rd best player in the world like many claim he is. He is just a good player among many other good players, and I haven't seen anything that elevates him above the rest of the pack behind Messi and Ronaldo.
Yes of course. My point was that Neymar's numbers are much likely to boost up at PSG considering how far ahead of the pack that team is and how much creative force it has besides Neymar. Their game or numbers didn’t slow down when he got injured and even without him they are likely to walk the league.
that was my point really. We might already witnessed the best of Neymar - key player in that treble winning side. Mentally I don’t think he has improved ever since. Being Brazilian and all has that in him to possibly wane early much like Fenomeno and Ronaldinho considering his ego and that he has won it all at club level.
Under the right coaching and influence he can become much better sure, but can you see that in PSG and under managers who most likely won’t have his respect?
He is back from injury and had average 3 games, it's too early to even start this, he is just 26 years old.
I’m not talking about that mate but generally his approach to the game.
I like him as a player don’t get me wrong. Regardless of his antics flair players are always good to see.
Yeah it’s too early of course I’m talking about the time he becomes 28/29..
First of all, please consider me as the new @Cal? so nothing personal in my posts
Humm, please real all the article below and then you are allowed to revert to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neymar
Well, despite a crazy budget, PSG wasn't champion in 2016/17.
His impact at all levels is obvious if you compare the 1st leg against Real Madrid (with him on the pitch, not decisive but very influential) and the 2nd leg.
Without Neymar at the end of the season, PSG lost a lot of points compared to the relatively perfect start.
On what basis do you say he hasn't improved mentally? His current performances are those of player who isn't physically fit to deliver great performances.
Ronaldinho is a lovely successful player but Neymar is intrinsically a better player for my book.
You will probably say that Ronnie won the Ballon d'Or (in an era without Cr7 & Messi) and the World Cup (in the company of Ronaldo/Rivaldo/Cafu/Roberto Carlos...)
Sure, that is why, the contract Emery hasn't been renewed: I blame Unai Emery for the failure against Real Madrid and his bad performances: 2nd in 2016/17 LOL, the poor preparation of the big games on the whole, his management skills (Rabiot, Kurzawa...)...
Again, no. Being injured is not something that would lead to a player inevitably showboating or keeping the ball way longer than he should be, just to do stand-offs and dribble to nowhere.
Those are mental factors. And he has noticeable declined in this aspect since his time at Barcelona. He plays like he's just been pulled from a keepy-uppy tournament to show the world how it's really done who hasn't taken a tactical instruction in his life.
I doubt even Neymar believes this. Ronaldinho is better than him at everything football related. It was rare that Ronaldinho made mistakes (ask Eto'o) or got dispossessed. Neymar happens all the time. Ronaldinho used to make a mockery of even top tacklers.First of all, please consider me as the new @Cal? so nothing personal in my posts
Humm, please real all the article below and then you are allowed to revert to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neymar
Well, despite a crazy budget, PSG wasn't champion in 2016/17.
His impact at all levels is obvious if you compare the 1st leg against Real Madrid (with him on the pitch, not decisive but very influential) and the 2nd leg.
Without Neymar at the end of the season, PSG lost a lot of points compared to the relatively perfect start.
On what basis do you say he hasn't improved mentally? His current performances are those of player who isn't physically fit to deliver great performances.
Ronaldinho is a lovely successful player but Neymar is intrinsically a better player for my book.
You will probably say that Ronnie won the Ballon d'Or (in an era without Cr7 & Messi) and the World Cup (in the company of Ronaldo/Rivaldo/Cafu/Roberto Carlos...)
Sure, that is why, the contract Emery hasn't been renewed: I blame Unai Emery for the failure against Real Madrid and his bad performances: 2nd in 2016/17 LOL, the poor preparation of the big games on the whole, his management skills (Rabiot, Kurzawa...)...
True that he is sometimes ridiculous: he takes this World Cup as the opportunity to show off.
He should say 'I'm a not in a great shape to run the show so I have to be more conservative and rational than usual.
Humm. In terms of career peak, Ronaldinho has better credentials but Neymar is more consistent over a long period of time week after week.
True that Ronaldinho has better ball retention skills but I know we have selective memory!
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Neymar is clearly a talented player but I genuinely think he is over-hyped. People label him as the 3rd best player in the world and some fools label him just as good as Messi and Ronaldo!
Neymar is just too inconsistent, I know he has just come back from a long injury but even in general he is very inconsistent, likes to throw himself about on the pitch which I hate, does he believe football should be a non-contact sport?!? He is also not challenging himself in a competitive league. Unless this was his only way to move to Real Madrid then it's a different story but even if he does move to Madrid is he even going to make a big enough impact that would elevate him to eventually become the best in the world in 2-3 years time?
If United was offered the chance to sign Hazard or Neymar I would choose Hazard. That's my preference.
Neymar is just too inconsistent, I know he has just come back from a long injury but even in general he is very inconsistent, likes to throw himself about on the pitch which I hate, does he believe football should be a non-contact sport?!? He is also not challenging himself in a competitive league. Unless this was his only way to move to Real Madrid then it's a different story but even if he does move to Madrid is he even going to make a big enough impact that would elevate him to eventually become the best in the world in 2-3 years time?
If United was offered the chance to sign Hazard or Neymar I would choose Hazard. That's my preference.
The way he playacts, he's asking to have his legs broken. The former greats did not act like this. This really will put a dent on his legacy.
I also think that he's just nowhere near these two - an extremely good player but overhyped if people genuinly think he's comparable to either. if he had Cristiano's obsession with conditioning maybe he could reach them as he's obviously got an abundance of natural talent.
No one is near these 2. Shouldn't be an issue, Ronaldo and Messi are once in a life time players when you consider their talent and mentality.
Sure, everybody know Cr7 & Messi are not human beings.
Ronaldinho had a bit of the same that he would too often slow down play by threatening to dribble his man from a standstill, than tamely pass it to a teammate when it's obvious nothing would come of it. All the more annoying from seeing him, same as neymar, being able to play exquisite one touch football and obviously having great decisionmaking when he could be bothered.
I think Neymar is a better goalscorer and has a better shot, should be a better dribbler thanks to his unreal acceleration. Ronaldinho was stronger though and made mugs of the best of the best on his day. And obviously much more creative.
First of all, please consider me as the new @Cal? so nothing personal in my posts
Humm, please real all the article below and then you are allowed to revert to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neymar
Don't worry mate, and on the flip side don't take it as I don't rate him. I genuinely believed (based on that 2015 form) that he'd be the best player in the world post Ronaldo/Messi.
He's a world class player and once in generation player, who from what I've seen I'd rate next to Robben/Suarez etc best years.
He didn't play for PSG then tho. Last year PSG brought in besides Neymar, Mbappe right from their main rival Monaco, as well as Dani Alves who was still one of the best RB's in the world.
Monaco on the other hand lost their best player (Mbappe) to direct rival, as well as Mendi, Silva and Baka - basically all of their stars. Their away form was really meh compared to the title winning team.
Without Neymar they still won 6 out of their next 7 games and lost points in the last four when they were already crowned champions and began rotating their team.
Because to me he has gone downwards since 2015 in that respect(not skills and flair, that's obviously there). Now his ego receive a massive boost. His showboating and slowing down the play is much bigger and generally needs someone to keep him grounded. I don't see that at PSG. You keep mentioning that he isn't match fit, but I can't relate what he's doing on the pitch to lack of match practice or not being 100% fit physically. He did a lot of showboating for PSG as well this season before the injury, of course you are the bigger authority there as I haven't watched every PSG game, only against the big teams.
I rate obviously Neymar but he hasn't hit the heights Dinho hit at his peak. Dinho tore apart great Real, Milan and Chelsea sides when even young Messi was struggling against(Chelsea).
Ronaldinho's peak was awesome despite pretty short all things considered. Ronaldinho played in a much inferior Barca side compared to what Neymar inherited. He was Barca at the time and took that team into new heights and new level, considering how off the pace they were before he got there. Barca were 4th, 4th and 6th in the three years before he came, yet won the title 2 years in a row and a Champions League after his 2nd season there.
Again Neymar has been world class for longer period, but his peak is not comparable to Dinho's yet.
What's your opinion on Tuchel? To me he isn't the one to take it further either. Good manager, but far from the mentor Neymar needs.
That should be separate tho. His antics might make him difficult to like, but the level he shows on the pitch in terms of what he does for his team should be the main criteria for the legacy he'll leave behind.
Maradona wasn't a likeable chap either, but what he was doing with a ball in his feet made the whole world love him.
I don't even comment usually his theatrics, he's not the only one and if you are holding that against him you should do the same for Cristiano for example.
It's a sad state of affairs though isn't it?
Yeah he's been a dick playacting but he gets clattered into regularly because teams know he can hurt them in an instant and referees don't always give it. If referees gave fouls as fouls without players having to go down they wouldn't exaggerate everything in order to get the decision.
Whole mentality of football screams jealousy towards the top talents too. Players clattering into him with the intent to stop him because he's better than them.
He was injured weeks before the World Cup, had a surgery and is not 100% fit. Is getting better every game. If Brazil reach the round of 8 he probably will be in his best form. Or maybe not.
true. Ronaldinho was a bit of a showman with all the feints etc but despite all that he was damn effective and impactful. Ia actually feel Ronaldinho is a better shooter than Neymar as it isn't like he missed lots of one on ones, although he was more of a play maker. Neymar probably has better goal scoring and assists stats to be fair but Ronaldinho was more a number 10 being played on the left, where as Neymar is a CF being played on the left. It would be good to ask Brazilians who is the better player
You say that as though we haven't seen loads of other talented players cope just fine with a few tough tackles, without spending half the game rolling round, crying.
Christ, he just needs to look up to the stands to see an example of a brilliant footballer who got far less protection and still dominated the game.
In terms of his antics at this world cup, he's been such a ludicrous drama queen that you actually can't blame the ref's for starting to give the defenders the benefit of any doubt. For which Neymar has nobody to blame but himself.
Or someone a bit closer to home?
Note the way not even his own team-mates seem too bothered by what just happened.
At his peak Ronaldinho would do his tricks for 70 or 80 minutes but in the other 10 he would stitch it all together and destroy you. When he was on it he was unstoppable. I've never seen Neymar come even close to Ronaldinho's top level yet. He has the skills in isolation but he doesn't have that ability to take the ball from a complete nothing situation and turn it into a goal. I don't think its a development thing either, i just don't think he's quite good enough. The tricks mask it.
It's funny you say that. But if you go in the Ronaldo Transfer thread, many on here, state that he is too old and isn't actually any good. Some poster even said that Ronaldo wouldn't make his top 5.
I do agree though, Ronaldo and Messi are in a different league from the rest and both are once in a lifetime players. It's sheer luck that have 2 of them, playing at exactly the same time.
I fecking love Cantona.
He's a player for the YouTube generation. He's been mediocre at this World Cup but his constant slowing down of play and showboating will have ensured he's gotten a few minutes worth of highlights for his compilation videos.
Vile player. Wouldn't take him if PSG paid us.
Why would he behave like that? He had a lot of public sympathy in 2014, most neutrals like Brazil and he has a huge opportunity to make this his tournament or at least player a key role in winning a World Cup. It’s just unbelievably pathetic and in an instant can turn millions of people against him. People can argue that it’s just a way any professional might look to gain an advantage, win at all costs if you like, but there is a line to it. Surely integrity counts for something. For me Suarez is the very lowest of the low, and neymar today is right down there with him
Neymar is the lowest for me. He has overtaken everyone.
I hate him. Was absolutely certain that he'll get up on his feet a few seconds later when he was imitating a fish whom has been put out of water.
Suarez is still worse, for me, all things considered. Neymar isn't far off on the pitch.
Suarez strikes me as the type of guy who’s just a Cnut in real life too. He seems to TRY to cheat every game whereas neymar, pathetic as he is, is opportunistic.
I've got the opposite impression.