Pride and Respect is coming home if nothing else.
Well done this young team of non household names.
Well done this young team of non household names.
Let's all Laugh at England
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Yep, Columbian defense was poor there. Inglend got luck though.it may have been something to do with that
Luckily the Columbian defender decided he would like to ride kane like a pantomime horse.
I love how some seem to struggle with the concept of supporting an English club, but not rooting for England.
I favoured England going into the game, but I was equally put off by both sides while watching it. I'm hoping Sweden make England look like mugs in their next game, partially on the back of this game, and partially based on the sheer arrogance of the England fans who view the game as a mere formality.
I favoured England going into the game, but I was equally put off by both sides while watching it. I'm hoping Sweden make England look like mugs in their next game, partially on the back of this game, and partially based on the sheer arrogance of the England fans who view the game as a mere formality.
Sweden will surely start with flat pack 4 ?
I agree. I think the issue is that us England fans get a little pissy when the people start their active "the english fans are arrogant etc"
I totally ‘get’ how you can root against England for footballing reasons and, yes, the arrogance of fans just expecting to roll Sweden over is pretty galling.
However, where I come from you’ll find guys who support English league clubs rather than league of Ireland clubs, guys who travel regularly to watch English league football, guys who pay top dollar for English club kits, Sky Sports and all the rest. Come World Cup time those same guys will be the most vehement Anti-‘all things English’ simply because we are supposed to hate our nearest and dearest neighbours. It’s just dumb.
When/if England get knocked out, of course fans will be absolutely gutted, disappointed etc, but they would also have had a wonderful few weeks, with some brilliant moments that they will remember for years to come. The last minute goal, the 6-1 drubbing, the penalty shootout win. The excitement felt during those moments will be something no-one can ever take away from them.
On the flip-side, when/if England get knocked out, there will also be people on the internet saying "I told you so", "you deserved it" and "you were too arrogant". These people may gain a small level of happiness from seeing the misfortune of others, but I promise you it as absolutely nowhere near the level of jubilation and excitement of the England fans. It is a fraction of the size.
On the flip-side, when/if England get knocked out, there will also be people on the internet saying "I told you so", "you deserved it" and "you were too arrogant". These people may gain a small level of happiness from seeing the misfortune of others, but I promise you it as absolutely nowhere near the level of jubilation and excitement of the England fans. It is a fraction of the size.
Didn't this thread backfire back hard? 
Congrats on the win, England.
Congrats on the win, England.
You could play shite and still won the game , that's football which is coming home now.
Yes, but do they support English football or an English club? If you support an EPL club it means you don't support the other 19.
I think it's more unusual to support players like Gerrard, Lampard, Terry and Ashley Cole who are your team's rivals when you have no connection with the country.
This squad is a bit different because they have so few players from elite sides but historically, it's not unusual whatsoever.
Staggering run of luck without a convincing performance and 1 goal from open play. So freakish they might actually win it. Pre tournament if any team was offered
Beat tunisia
Beat panama
Lose to belgium with a weakened team
Beat colombia
Beat sweden
Beat Croatia
To get to the world cup final they would have thought no way is such a simple route realistic.
One thing that is very irritating is the narrative being pushed that they are somehow some rag tag bunch of youngsters. They have one of the most expensive sides in the tournament. It is a seasoned premier league line up. Pickford is one of the most expensive keepers ever, walker and stones play for city and cost over 100m, young and lingard play for united and 3 more starters are part of tottenhams core and 1 is the liverool captain. Its very typical of the British press to take things to extremes of good or bad.
Beat tunisia
Beat panama
Lose to belgium with a weakened team
Beat colombia
Beat sweden
Beat Croatia
To get to the world cup final they would have thought no way is such a simple route realistic.
One thing that is very irritating is the narrative being pushed that they are somehow some rag tag bunch of youngsters. They have one of the most expensive sides in the tournament. It is a seasoned premier league line up. Pickford is one of the most expensive keepers ever, walker and stones play for city and cost over 100m, young and lingard play for united and 3 more starters are part of tottenhams core and 1 is the liverool captain. Its very typical of the British press to take things to extremes of good or bad.
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Judging by your tone, would it be fair to say you don't like England very much?
Im fairly neutral, i support the english league so have a soft spot for them and don't mind seeing them do well. I do prefer making it to late stages of a world cup to at least be a a little challenging. If russia made it with that run there would be widespread allegations of cheating
Of the remaining teams and teams faced
Croatia- argentina, nigeria, iceland, Denmark
Sweden- germany, mexico, s korea, switzerland
Russia- Uruguay, egypt, saudi, spain
From a neutral pov, i like to see more of a journey to latter stages thats all. England's has been a gift.
My true detest of british media and many sports pundits is no reflection on the team
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I expect England to do well, they're a good team and should do well.
You know what pisses me off? The wankfestery around the team from the pundits and media. At half time the boys were having an orgy over the Henderson incident saying it should have been a red card etc.
Was anything mentioned about Stones' clear scuff at Falco's head? Was it buggery.
I don't mind England doing well, because you deserve to do well with your squad, but the bias from the commentary (Lawrenson, Murphy etc) and punditry is bloody nauseating. Very hypocritical which annoys a lot of people.
You know what pisses me off? The wankfestery around the team from the pundits and media. At half time the boys were having an orgy over the Henderson incident saying it should have been a red card etc.
Was anything mentioned about Stones' clear scuff at Falco's head? Was it buggery.
I don't mind England doing well, because you deserve to do well with your squad, but the bias from the commentary (Lawrenson, Murphy etc) and punditry is bloody nauseating. Very hypocritical which annoys a lot of people.
They've got to put together a good performance
True, that is one thing that irritates me about the England fanbase, the media. But that really is because of our exposure to the English game, though I support Germany I don't know a word of German so I have no idea how biased they are as well. Same for any other foreign team.
Confident England will reach the final. And lose if they face either Brazil or France. But if somehow Brazil/France don’t make it, futbol is coming home yo.
No chance they are gonna win the WC. This team just can't score goals from open play and don't have a good midfielder.
Same.
I'm assuming you've watched United play on MUTV with Pat Crerand chipping in? Or Liverpool with Rush and co. on their equivalent? I'm watching the World Cup in Australia and our commentators are the same with the National team. That Griezmann pen against Australia was discussed for almost 45 minutes in-game.
The Henderson incident was a tough break. That sort of petulance has seen many an England player given a red and so I'm not suprised that a non-call dictates the conversation at halftime in a world cup knockout match.
Its still a fact that they're one of the least capped and youngest sides at the tournament, so seasoned is utter crap.
I don't think anyone is exagerating like you are about the team, but its not like most of the england teams of the past 30 years. Kane is comfortably our best player.
The meltdown from non england fans if they win the world cup will be incredible. Far bigger than if england get knocked out.
When do England travel the 1000 miles to the next stadiums? Today when resting? Tomorrow after training?
I'm not saying that the henderson incident shouldn't have been discussed, I'm saying that if they're going to dissect these moments post-game they should at least dissect or comment on all similar incidents regardless of the offender. Haven't seen anything condemning Stones' action.
England have been wrestled and cut down of sure, but they're not innocent by any means. That's what I find irritating. It's just too bias.
MUTV is different, only United fans tune in.When it's on BBC or ITV, thats a national broadcaster, all kinds of nationalities are tuning in with support going either way, thats why they should endeavour it to be neutral.
Totally agree. He was the only one who had the presence of mind to keep the ball 1-0 up and buy fouls. Some of the others looked bereft of ideas going into extra time.
I do agree with you re the last part. It's as if they are wiling England to fail but England fans are just enjoying the moment. Well done to Southgate for knitting a bunch together as a team.
You never know, they could do a Greece and come through very unfancied!
You think English coverage predominantly made up of retired English internationals covering the English team for English supporters should strive to be entirely neutral?
Of course they are going to show bias, so do other national broadcasters in other countries.
I struggle to understand this to be honest. Jones, Lingard, Rashford and Young have all played minutes and most probably will this Saturday. Do you want them to look like mugs? I totally understand if it's your home Country vs. England, but just hoping a random team embarrass them and then be cheering on the same players for Manchester United a few weeks later seems bizarre to me, but each to his/her own. I hope all United players do well for their National teams. And if (when) England don't win the world cup then I don't really care which team wins it, but I certainly won't bear any ill will to on any one Nation.
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I have a soft spot for England, but don't actually expect them to do well. It's years of multiple heartbreaks, so even if they lose vs Sweden, I'd be happy and say this is a good result.
I agree that some of the fans and media are arrogant bunch. They also put immense pressure on the squad. This squad is likeable though, including Southgate! I didn't think I'd say I like the way Southgate handles things! Stranger things happen... And England won on pens!
Back to the squad being likeable ... it's good that a major tournament can be enjoyable for some English. I'd say have fun and enjoy the ride
I agree that some of the fans and media are arrogant bunch. They also put immense pressure on the squad. This squad is likeable though, including Southgate! I didn't think I'd say I like the way Southgate handles things! Stranger things happen... And England won on pens!
Back to the squad being likeable ... it's good that a major tournament can be enjoyable for some English. I'd say have fun and enjoy the ride
We were lucky we were playing Colombia, who seemed more interested in trying to start some sort of mass brawl every time the ref blew his whistle. Pekerman's comments after the game...Henderson properly milked that headbutt, but any Colombian player would have reacted far worse.
It was a terrible game, England played it far too safe for the most part and the back 3 were too happy to keep it amongst themselves, but I was so disappointed by Colombia. I know James was missing, but I thought they'd offer more.
Incredibly, England could actually reach the final now, but somehow I don't think they will, not without another penalty shootout or two. The system/available personnel doesn't create enough chances.
Why what happened in the Colombia game that makes you want us to lose more? Colombia's tactics were disgusting, what was so bad about England?
The arrogance line again
If there's one thing every England supporter knows, it's Sweden are no joke, we've struggled against them every single time we've ever faced them, but at least they'll not being kicking and diving all over the place.
Can I again suggest to all the Irish on here who moan about the English media to stop consuming it? Why are people reading the English press and watching English football coverage when they dislike it so intensely and have their own? You won't find any pro England hysteria on RTE or in the Irish Indo which, incidentally, go equally overboard and partisan when it comes to Irish sporting endeavour. I suspect it's the same in every country.
A countries media backing it's country, sickening stuff. Who would have thought it.
And supporters believing their team can possibly win it. It's ridiculous. No-one should be allowed to be supportive or excited until the team are 3-0 up in the final.
This is ridiculous, it's like we're fielding a bunch of U-17s to listen to some of the commentary. They are all seasoned pros, most of whom have played in the Champions League.
So good to win an actual penalty shoot-out. After conceding so late in normal time and after that dire first 15 minutes of ET I was sure we'd feck it up again.
That sound like a great Ikea
Nobody is struggling with it. Each to their own, everyone has their own agency and can support or dislike whoever they like. However, I will clarify one thing. Nobody is saying that non-English Man Utd (or Spurs or City or whatever) fans should support England. It is the active dislike of the team and actively rooting for them to fail that I and many others find strange. Except perhaps from the supporters from other home nations.
Despite what people say, Man Utd don't exist in some kind of vacuum. They are an English team, set up by Englishmen, more than half of their managers have been English (with almost all of the rest Scottish). They have an English core, always have and play against other English teams in the English league. 3 of your 4 directors are English (the other being Ferguson), the owners for decades were English. Most of the media written about them will be in the English media, which people still seem to consume despite apparently hating it (I don't read or watch any media that I despise so not sure why others subject themselves to that?)
So support whomever you like, I just find it strange when people who support English teams actively want and seem to revel in England's failure.
Can I ask of some examples of English arrogance towards Sweden on this board? Plus of course I'm delighted we have Sweden. Just as I'm sure they're delighted they have us, instead of Brazil or France or Uruguay. That doesn't mean either set of fans are arrogant, it doesn't mean that England will win. It means that we have a much higher chance against Sweden than against the powerhouses on the other side of the draw.
That i surely just common sense?
Every fecker in here moaning about the English media or ex England players being biased towards England, it really is any excuse to moan about us
, needs to take a look at this.Every country will be doing this, it's not just England.
Is it though? I haven't gone to check all squads but it would seem our squad value is inflated by a few players (especally the Man City ones). Otherwise:
The 5 Spurs players cost a combined £13.5 million
The 3 keepers cost about £30 million
The 4 Man City players cost about £160
Liverpool's 2 cost £20 million
Leicester's 2 cost £13 million
Chelsea's 2 cost £7 million
Man Utd's 4 cost £32 million
Arsenal's 1 £16 million
Man City most likely makes us an outlier, otherwise I think that is really quite reasonable.
They're not a rag tag bunch of youngsters, most of them play for top teams for sure. It is fact though that we are the 3rd youngest squad in the competition and also have the squad with the least total number of caps.
And such routes do sometimes happen (if we even manage to get past Sweden and Croatia/ Russia). Germany did it in 2002 and I'm sure none of their fans cared a jot. Would be a great experience for this group of players to make it even to a semi, let alone a final, as I'd hope by 2022, some of the players from the youth generation that have won so much recently will have made it into the squad as well.