Let's all Laugh at England

GeorgieBoy said:
Yeah I'm happy to hold my hands up and say I had maybe a 15 minute drunken meltdown after the game when I stupidly clicked this thread and made a throw-away comment about how people taking joy in this shouldn't consider themselves United fans. I did apologise for it and recognise that the nature on here from pretty much everyone is just a laugh. There has been the odd post on here though that makes me think some may have a deeper dislike than just for the England national football team though.

All in all, I have actually enjoyed reading this thread. A classic.
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Difference between you and some others is that you seemed to know you went overboard and jokingly did so, others have come across as dead serious when they've claimed you can't be a United fan and still dislike England. If anything you've been perfectly fine after that initial post. :)
 
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Classical Mechanic said:
That was beyond the pale yet on people on here (supposedly) get infuriated by some duvets getting trashed in Ikea. Someone think of the linen for Gods sake.
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There are plenty of examples throughout football of fans doing silly things but those things shouldnt define every fan in that country or of that club.
 
No profanity said:
I'm not having a pop at you for not wanting England to win or enjoying the loss or even winding up others based on the result. If I had issues with being able to take football banter I wouldn't have logged on here today.

I didn't mean to state it's an Dngland forum, my point was supposed to be an English based team so there is likely to be more England supporting fans. As I said I have no issues with anybody supporting any club from any nation. I hate being told I can't support a club for X Y Z reasons.

I've only got an issue with other issues being used as a reason to have a dig at England fans. I doubt there are many England fans on here that would praise the idiots out smashing up Ikea or Ambulances. I also don't like the Idea of mixing any other agenda's in with my football support. I watch football to enjoy the football, that's it. Not to talk about England as a nation and what they've done in the past.

I hope you haven't taken my post as a dig at you as that was not my intent at all. I just read your post as 'I hate England fans for these 6 reasons'.

Anyway being a 'newbie' this is my 5th post today so will likely be the last on the matter! Have a good day ya'll :D.
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I hardly take any reply to me has a dig. I was just stating why some people would "hate" england national team. Of course i know most of the people here dont agree with the way some fans act. I never posted on the "Laugh at" threads until now. I laughed at some stuff in the "laugh at Portugal" and memes and stuff. See ya later mate.


Jim Reaper said:
This. Also, was the Sporting fans recent behavior an indication of how all Portugese fans react and was it a something that should be used to judge all portugese football fans?...no...
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Like i said, those aren't my reasons but anyway, you cant really compare one isolated act with 20 or 30 years of england fans trashing everything. It's normal people will root against england.
 
fergies coat said:
Should be a good laugh when England qualify for the euros, and none of the other home nations do like usual. Good times ahead guys.
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England, Ireland, NI, Wales all qualified in 2016
 
GeorgieBoy said:
Yeah I'm happy to hold my hands up and say I had maybe a 15 minute drunken meltdown after the game when I stupidly clicked this thread and made a throw-away comment about how people taking joy in this shouldn't consider themselves United fans. I did apologise for it and recognise that the nature on here from pretty much everyone is just a laugh. There has been the odd post on here though that makes me think some may have a deeper dislike than just for the England national football team though.

All in all, I have actually enjoyed reading this thread. A classic.
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You know what? I'm a bit sick of the "oh we were just having a laugh", "banter, innit" stuff.

At the end of the day we're just discussing football, not life and death, so obviously nothing we discuss is entirely serious. However, we all know that football can provoke strong feelings so people shouldn't act all shocked when something they post provokes a strong reaction in someone they're trying to get a rise out of. All the more so when you're blending football and national identities.

And that's not to say we should all be precious snowflakes, who never says anything remotely controversial for fear of offending somebody else. But if you say something that is likely to wind someone up don't retreat behind the "banter" defence if that person responds angrily. Be a fecking man and own what you said. You tried to wind someone up and you succeeded. Well done. Feck off with the "why are you annoyed? I was only having a laugh" crap, though. That's disingenuous nonsense.
 
So one day after the Croatians claim England were arrogant Dean Lovern declares to the world that now everyone must now accept he’s ‘one of the best defenders in the world’.
 
Well done to England!

Gutted for you guys, but by any measure this was a successful campaign.

Plus you or Croatia would have got shafted by France on Sunday :D

On to 2020.
 
Jim Reaper said:
exactly. Schmeichel did this exact same thing every game. It makes me wonder hoe much the people saying this kind of stuff really know. What did Pickford do? made a great save and a fair challange and then told the guy to get up and carry on (i know exaclt what he said). Fair enough. Mandzukic had tried some play acting before hand. If a United keeper didnt act like that, id be worried.
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Definitely. As a keeper, you have to make your box your zone. If the ball enters it, you are in charge - either directly, by collecting it, or instructing what course of action your defence takes. A part of this is intimidating the attack - not letting them feel comfortable, in the hope that they rush/make bad decisions later on in the game.
 
RedChisel said:
Our colonial history doesn't help I guess but other countries have similarly poor records in that respect and face no where near the same hatred. We are seen as arrogant despite I think being one of the if not the most self deprecating country on earth. Yes we got a bit carried away with the whole it's coming home thing but I don't think anyone really thought we would win the thing. I certainly didn't anyway.
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Thanks interesting to hear what view from inside is. Its a complex issue i think, pretty multi faceted. Mentioned it more in another thread, from a football point of view i think the hammering to england fans reputation over decades means that now global news will highlight the negatives- which even though is a complete minority and not different to scum in any country- can be quite unsavoury. It will take alot to repair the damage done in the past in the eyes of nations who will largely only see the negative stories
 
groovyalbert said:
Definitely. As a keeper, you have to make your box your zone. If the ball enters it, you are in charge - either directly, by collecting it, or instructing what course of action your defence takes. A part of this is intimidating the attack - not letting them feel comfortable, in the hope that they rush/make bad decisions later on in the game.
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It didn't work, did it?

I just thought Pickford came across as a complete tosser. Mandzukic was clearly injured as it was a heck of a collision with Pickford's leg.

Is this the norm?
I don't think so. Sure you see keepers angry/shouty. . . usually at their own defence though, not at a clearly injured opponent.
 
RW2 said:
It didn't work, did it?

I just thought Pickford came across as a complete tosser. Mandzukic was clearly injured as it was a heck of a collision with Pickford's leg.

Is this the norm?
I don't think so. Sure you see keepers angry/shouty. . . usually at their own defence though, not at a clearly injured opponent.
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I think Pickford's initial reaction subsided pretty quickly once it was clear Mandzukic was injured. Given the scenario, and the adrenalin of having made a vital save at that moment, I think Pickford was of the view Mandzukic was potentially claiming a penalty. Hard to decipher intentions from a crowded pub in London, naturally.
 
RedChisel said:
Our colonial history doesn't help I guess but other countries have similarly poor records in that respect and face no where near the same hatred. We are seen as arrogant despite I think being one of the if not the most self deprecating country on earth. Yes we got a bit carried away with the whole it's coming home thing but I don't think anyone really thought we would win the thing. I certainly didn't anyway.
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I asked my mates this earlier. Someone said that we're seen as the America of Europe which I thought was a bit unfair, though I get why. 'It's coming home' turned into a meme and has obviously pissed off the rest of the world. Fair enough - we had fun with it, pretty much everyone else thought it was annoying. Great tournament overall, though.
 
Just read this today: Modric said that they were motivated by the English press underestimating them:

Speaking to ITV, Modrić said:

We proved everything different than people were talking especially English journalists, pundits from television

They underestimated Croatia tonight and that was a huge mistake. All these words from them we take, we were reading and we were saying: ‘OK, today we will see who will be tired.’ They should be more humble and respect their opponents more.

Wqe showed again that we were not tired – we dominated the game mentally and physically. We should have killed the game even before extra-time.

This is an amazing achievement for us – it’s a dream come true after such a long time. We are in the final and that is the biggest success in Croatia history. We have to be proud.
 
I had to turn over after 10 minutes last night to RTE to watch the match as Mark Pougatch is a real annoying cnut. Hoddle was fine. It was the same when England were on BBC the other day, with Guy Mowbray, again, Keown was easy enough to listen to. It was worse than listening to Crerand
 
My initial take on that Pickford incident was to laugh at how pathetic and unnecessary it was for him to berate Mandzukic when he was clearly hurt. He just came across as a dick head, tbh. But thinking about it, he just made crucial save, in the semi final of a World Cup and his adrenaline must have been pumping. It's the biggest game he's every played in (and maybe likely to play in) and the emotion kind of took over for a second.

I don't think there was any malice involved as he seemed genuinely concerned after a minute or two and stood over Mandzukic to see if he was ok.
 
Colombian Mancunian said:
Just read this today: Modric said that they were motivated by the English press underestimating them:

Speaking to ITV, Modrić said:

We proved everything different than people were talking especially English journalists, pundits from television

They underestimated Croatia tonight and that was a huge mistake. All these words from them we take, we were reading and we were saying: ‘OK, today we will see who will be tired.’ They should be more humble and respect their opponents more.

Wqe showed again that we were not tired – we dominated the game mentally and physically. We should have killed the game even before extra-time.

This is an amazing achievement for us – it’s a dream come true after such a long time. We are in the final and that is the biggest success in Croatia history. We have to be proud.
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I like Modric but I don’t see how speculating that two gruelling 120 minute games might have depleted their reserves of energy was showing disrespect or lack of humility.
 
Jesus the thin skin in here is so enjoyable right now. I think this is my favourite thread so far this year.
 
dweb said:
I had to turn over after 10 minutes last night to RTE to watch the match as Mark Pougatch is a real annoying cnut. Hoddle was fine. It was the same when England were on BBC the other day, with Guy Mowbray, again, Keown was easy enough to listen to. It was worse than listening to Crerand
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I sat through the ITV commentary for the first time last night (no choice in pub I was in) and feck me they were annoying. Never mind the attitude of the England fans I can fully understand a backlash from non-English viewers who had to sit through that triumphalist bollox all tournament.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You know what? I'm a bit sick of the "oh we were just having a laugh", "banter, innit" stuff.

At the end of the day we're just discussing football, not life and death, so obviously nothing we discuss is entirely serious. However, we all know that football can provoke strong feelings so people shouldn't act all shocked when something they post provokes a strong reaction in someone they're trying to get a rise out of. All the more so when you're blending football and national identities.

And that's not to say we should all be precious snowflakes, who never says anything remotely controversial for fear of offending somebody else. But if you say something that is likely to wind someone up don't retreat behind the "banter" defence if that person responds angrily. Be a fecking man and own what you said. You tried to wind someone up and you succeeded. Well done. Feck off with the "why are you annoyed? I was only having a laugh" crap, though. That's disingenuous nonsense.
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Yeah I agree with everything you've said when applied to 'real life' outside of this forum.

But, I guess the title of this thread is an indicator as to what type of posts you're going to have to read. As an England fan, I didn't have to come into here yesterday after the game; but for whatever reason I did, and naturally reading everyone revelling in England's failure pissed me off no end. I wouldn't have watched the game yesterday in a bar in Dublin/Glasgow etc. for the same reasons. Similarly, resident Pool fans should avoid visiting the RAWK thread.

Its difficult though when the majority of the posters here are, I assume, English, to avoid a bit of hostility but again there's been nothing in here that's been malicious and just a few throw-away comments that were a mate to say to me in a pub I'd just roll my eyes.
 
Ødegaard said:
Difference between you and some others is that you seemed to know you went overboard and jokingly did so, others have come across as dead serious when they've claimed you can't be a United fan and still dislike England. If anything you've perfectly fine after that initial post. :)
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Cheers.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I sat through the ITV commentary for the first time last night (no choice in pub I was in) and feck me they were annoying. Never mind the attitude of the England fans I can fully understand a backlash from non-English viewers who had to sit through that triumphalist bollox all tournament.
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For me it's not even English commentators bigging up their team and players. It's the complete lack of respect they give the opposition, including barely mentioning anything (positive) they do. Last night was actually a great example: only when Croatia equalised did Clive start talking up Modric etc as good players. You can be biased without ruining the fecking show for everyone.

I can't listen to Crerand on MUTV either for the same reason, I don't know how English supporters put up with it.
 
Harry Harries said:
I asked my mates this earlier. Someone said that we're seen as the America of Europe which I thought was a bit unfair, though I get why. 'It's coming home' turned into a meme and has obviously pissed off the rest of the world. Fair enough - we had fun with it, pretty much everyone else thought it was annoying. Great tournament overall, though.
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All the history stuff of course plays a part but really England football fans are just in general very easy to wind up so it's great to see the reaction when their team loses, it's the same with cricket and Aussie fans. I happily cheer on England if it meant that I get to see a bloated fat white Aussie man crying into his
kangaroo jersey because some bloke from Yorkshire just hit a ton.

It's just a bit of fun in the end.
 
Minimalist said:
For me it's not even English commentators bigging up their team and players. It's the complete lack of respect they give the opposition, including barely mentioning anything (positive) they do. Last night was actually a great example: only when Croatia equalised did Clive start talking up Modric etc as good players. You can be biased without ruining the fecking show for everyone.

I can't listen to Crerand on MUTV either for the same reason, I don't know how English supporters put up with it.
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I’m English and cringe a bit when listening to the commentary but, to be honest, I don’t think BBC/ITV are much different to other national broadcasters in terms of partisanship and bias (can’t comment on RTE as I’ve never seen it). And I don’t think they are quite as bad as Paddy....
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
But that’s not the song is it. The song is called Three Lions.

It is literally a song about how we are never quite good enough - very apt. It was probably no 1 in 1996 (or at least near the top of the charts) and we went out on the semi final then.

Honestly, what people claim to find hilarious, is hilarious in itself.
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That's something I didn’t know. I found that “it’s comong home” thing extremely annoying, but harmless.

England fans arrogant? You have the right to be arrogant! You reached a fecking semi final, and can still win Bronze! In worst case scenario you will be the fourth best National Team in the World Cup! It’s normal to take pride in it! If Colombia were third or fourth, I will be extremely proud!

Well played guys. The only thing I have disliked from England this WC are those twats Allí (typical Spurs player) and Stones (a self-righteous crybaby, as all Pep players).
 
Classical Mechanic said:
So one day after the Croatians claim England were arrogant Dean Lovern declares to the world that now everyone must now accept he’s ‘one of the best defenders in the world’.
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Posted this is another thread too. There's much more arrogance and smugness coming from the Croatian media and players than there ever was for England who's "It's coming home" song was more of a pisstake.

I know a lot of people thought England were "arrogant", but not a peep on the Croatian arrogance?

'The national broadcaster, HRT, started its post-match programme with presenters and studio guests jumping around and chanting, while Robert Prosinecki, a member of Croatia’s bronze-winning side in 1998, said: “We murdered the English in the second half!”. Josko Jelicic, Croatia’s self-styled answer to Gary Lineker,added: “They [England] have nothing to cry about – they were knocked out by the future world champions. We played a mature game, the English were unbelievably inferior”.

The Vecernji list newspaper went with the headline “We knocked the English down, Croatia are in the World Cup final!”, with Zeljko Jankovic writing how Croatia and France will now decide “who plays the best football on the planet at the moment”. It turned out to be rhetorical as he answered it himself by adding: “It’s Croatia, don’t even doubt that!”

Vecernji’s website devoted an unusual amount of space to gloating over the fate of the losing team, with headlines such as “Football’s not coming home”, “The arrogance hit them back”, “The English are sore losers” and even published a photo gallery titled “Look how the English cry after losing to Croatia” with pictures of downbeat players and fans.

“France, who are better than England, can hardly stop them”, wrote Drazen Antolic. “That will be a true final, a top clash between the two sides who have shown the most at the tournament.”

To be honest I never saw that type of arrogance and gloating coming out of England. You'd think they didn't scrape past very average Denmark and Russia teams on penalties or the so-called overrated, terrible English team.

So surely the first game they play a good team in the KO stages is Sunday? Let's see what happens. All of this will come back to bite them as they will be crying on Sunday and making excuses no doubt. France will play them off the park and probably have Croatia with a negative goal difference in the KO stages.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Posted this is another thread too. There's much more arrogance and smugness coming from the Croatian media and players than there ever was for England who's "It's coming home" song was more of a pisstake.

I know a lot of people thought England were "arrogant", but not a peep on the Croatian arrogance?

'The national broadcaster, HRT, started its post-match programme with presenters and studio guests jumping around and chanting, while Robert Prosinecki, a member of Croatia’s bronze-winning side in 1998, said: “We murdered the English in the second half!”. Josko Jelicic, Croatia’s self-styled answer to Gary Lineker,added: “They [England] have nothing to cry about – they were knocked out by the future world champions. We played a mature game, the English were unbelievably inferior”.

The Vecernji list newspaper went with the headline “We knocked the English down, Croatia are in the World Cup final!”, with Zeljko Jankovic writing how Croatia and France will now decide “who plays the best football on the planet at the moment”. It turned out to be rhetorical as he answered it himself by adding: “It’s Croatia, don’t even doubt that!”

Vecernji’s website devoted an unusual amount of space to gloating over the fate of the losing team, with headlines such as “Football’s not coming home”, “The arrogance hit them back”, “The English are sore losers” and even published a photo gallery titled “Look how the English cry after losing to Croatia” with pictures of downbeat players and fans.

“France, who are better than England, can hardly stop them”, wrote Drazen Antolic. “That will be a true final, a top clash between the two sides who have shown the most at the tournament.”

To be honest I never saw that type of arrogance and gloating coming out of England. You'd think they didn't scrape past very average Denmark and Russia teams on penalties or the so-called overrated, terrible English team.

So surely the first game they play a good team in the KO stages is Sunday? Let's see what happens. All of this will come back to bite them as they will be crying on Sunday and making excuses no doubt. France will play them off the park and probably have Croatia with a negative goal difference in the KO stages.
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An absolutely staggering level of arrogance in fairness. Even the Yanks wouldn't serve that up, well Trump maybe.
 
Nothing to laugh about England, but I think they've missed a great chance to reach the finals/win the damn thing. This sort of chance doesn't happen frequently.

I was not bothered by the coming home stuff for me, but there is a reason why I don't actively root for England. I'm from India and since we don't have a good football team, I picked Argentina because of Maradona. Supported them in 90, 94 and 98. I began watching EPL and following United regularly from 96/97 season and I thought the 98 team was quiet likable with a strong united contingent. However, the way Becks was vilified in England after the WC completely put me off rooting for England with any real support. It was just not Becks, treatment of Rooney, Scholes and Carrick by other 'England' supporters have always grated me. 2018 team is good in a lot of ways but I just can't ignore all that and start cheering for England. I've been happy to see them lose in spite of supporting United. And taking the piss out of 'This narrative of lucky england' threads are an added bonus. Nowadays, I don't watch Argentina anymore, and I started cheering for Scotland because of Sir alex and Darren Fletcher.

EDIT: I also think England press suffer a lot when it comes to arrogance. I guess every country does this but English press and articles are consumed by not only England but by the entire world. We don't read anything in Croatia but we get to read everything from the English papers.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Yes, poor winners and I suspect they will likely be poor losers on Sunday.
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Interestingly Pogba admitted they underestimated Portugal in the Euros after beating Germany, which was very honest of him. I think they'll be on their game on Sunday. I said if England didn't win I'd want France to win because of Pogba, hope they get it done.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Interestingly Pogba admitted they underestimated Portugal in the Euros after beating Germany, which was very honest of him. I think they'll be on their game on Sunday. I said if England didn't win I'd want France to win because of Pogba, hope they get it done.
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Likewise. Yeah, I saw that quote from Pogba. I think some of their core players really learned from that experience and won't blow this. I think they'll dominate on Sunday. I'll be chuffed for Pogba (I'll be rubbing it in on his irrational haters) and will get a nice bout of schadenfreude seeing the Croatian arrogance/poor sportsmanship now.
 
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