I would't normally choose a player over a manager but after the dire football we have witnessed the last 2 seasons i choose Pogba. I get that our team needs some balance but come on there is quality in this team to beat Sevilla over a two legged tie comfortably for example.
Mourinho or Pogba?
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Voted Pogba. But I have a feeling Pogba may leave regardless of Mourinho.
Or maybe it's the manager fault that he's alienated key players like Pogba and Martial and failed to get the best out of them?
If moving clubs hasn't got in their minds by now I'd be worried. You can hardly blame them. We are further and further away from winning PL titles let alone the CL. I can totally understand if Pogba wants to leave. Players move to other clubs all the time. What's the problem? I hate to lose him too but I'm already resigned to that.
Not sure how anyone is still of the belief that the manager comes first. You've been around Moyes, and LVG. I thought those 2 were enough proof to show you a manager doesn't always come first. That's an outdated viewpoint. Let Fergie go. It's not easy to have a manager like him, nor is it easy to recreate the situation he found himself under.
No way would I choose a boring negative manager like Mourinho.
No way would I choose a boring negative manager like Mourinho.
The problem is that: it shows that we were manipulated by the whole manchester is my home thing. just a marketing ploy. Martial i understand, he doesn't have any relation with the club. i won't expect loyalty from him. but Pogba ? he's been here two years only. Jose had his back for 1.5 years. you don't give up on your 'home' for a difficult 6 months, in which the manager critisized you. eveybody knows that managers come and go. he does as well, why doesn't he wait it out if he does like the manager ? Manchester is his home right ?
I've said it quite a long time ago. Like half a year ago, back in January, when it was evident, that our football is pretty much shit in terms of attack and has not progressed at all. While i am happy Pogba is here, and voted for him, from an objective point of view Pogba made a huge blunder in agreeing to go to Jose's United.
Pogba is a huge talent, but he needs coaching and more importantly he need to be part of the team that actually plays proper football, with a properly built attacking play. That's just not what United is under Mourinho. People are saying about conflict between them, but for me, it's much more than that. He simply can't progress, can't show his better qualities in a stale football like we played for the last 2 years.
Pogba is a huge talent, but he needs coaching and more importantly he need to be part of the team that actually plays proper football, with a properly built attacking play. That's just not what United is under Mourinho. People are saying about conflict between them, but for me, it's much more than that. He simply can't progress, can't show his better qualities in a stale football like we played for the last 2 years.
Yeah. No matter what you think of his attitude and application, it is undeniable that Pogba is one of the very few players in our squad who is at least occasionally capable of doing something interesting on the pitch.
Mourinho's football without players like that sounds like even more torture than it already is.
I would even sell Pogba if it meant we could get rid of Mourinho. Can not stand the guy.
Pogba of course (in this instance).
Pogba all day long - he has all the potential it needs to become a constant world class player and his prime is still ahead. Mou is done on top level so the sooner our board acknowledges that the better.
Honestly if we were to lose Pogba and Martial due to Mou being a football dinosaur Ed & Co. would need to get their mental health checked!
Honestly if we were to lose Pogba and Martial due to Mou being a football dinosaur Ed & Co. would need to get their mental health checked!
Let's hope Mourinho is smart enough to not make a civil war out of this, because there will be only one winner.
His comments after Pogs won the World Cup didn't sound like a man who didn't want war. Jose and Pogba want the club to choose one of them.
Ed cannot have it both ways. Needs to make a decision now.
Voted Pogba not because I have any ill feelings for Mourinho. I think Jose has done a stellar job reviving us from the dark Moyes/LVG days, but I still want Poch to be at the helm one day. 
I certainly didn't interpret it as serious as you claim it to be here. I still think it will be nothing at the end just paper talk, but I worry that Jose tends to pick up fights with our best players.
Absolutely crazy that people think a player should be backed over any manager. Id vote moyes in a vote for moyes v pogba purely on the basis that when we start pandering to under performing players and scumbag agents there will be no manager in the world that can come in and get a handle on the culture of the squad. Every day theres a further distance some are prepared to go to let players away with murder. Pogba has been a massive let down regardless of our style of play. If pogba is going to deliver the same standard this year as the previous 2 then swap him for rakitic and be done.
The question is too simple anyway but if we keep pogba no matter how he performs well be in this position every summer. Commit to the club or piss off
The question is too simple anyway but if we keep pogba no matter how he performs well be in this position every summer. Commit to the club or piss off
And that will never stop. Hence, why I think let's just cut our losses now.
If it were beetween one or the other, Pogba all day long. I would happily take a guy like Laurent Blanc as a stop gap during a year since he knows the club and sure would play more fun than the dull stuff we have seen from Mou.
World class manager who has won leagues and cups vs midfielder who seems more bothered about his hair cuts than the football he plays (plus a shitbag of an agent)
Totally going with Pogba in this case. I feel with the bid and interest coming in for Pogba from Barcelona along with Martial being totally unsettled we will need to make a decision soon enough . It's starting to look like Mourinho is about to lose the dressing room . The first few matches will be crucial if we don't do well then its possible we might end up sacking Mourinho . His meltdown is a real thing and his constant moaning will affect the board . They will want to calm down the dressing room dynamics and keep Pogba and Martial in house . I would love if we are able to get Zidane or Low as the replacement because we need to show real ambition to these players . Zidane in particular can keep the French players in check along with getting other big names interested in joining us . He will definitely change our style of play in a positive way . I want Mourinho to succeed but his behaviour suggests otherwise . 2 big months coming up for us . It will be curious to see how the players react at the start of the season .
A player who since starting his playing career has managed to be far more successful than the allegedly 'world class' manager.
Pogba. His agent is a prick and I'm by no means Jose Out but this'll be his third year. Assuming we don't win the title nor CL this year I get the feeling we'll be looking for a fresh start in terms of our leadership team in 19/20 (new manager, perhaps a DOF) and we'll want to keep our very best players in that new era.
Pogba. Cause Mourinho will probably start a fight with Pogba's replacement anyway.
Allegedly, lol.
Treble winner with Inter.
CL+league winner with Porto.
League winner 3 or 4 times with Chelsea.
Breaking record goals scored in a single season with Real, competing with Barca's best team in their history (possibly the world)
This isn't mentioning the domestic cups he's won.
Allegedly.
Easy, Mourinho. But why not both?
Most of those things are ancient now. Since 2012 he's achieved the square root of feck all outside of a league title with Chelsea - the same side he tried to relegate the next season.
Since then Pogba has won 4 league titles at Juventus, won a world cup and made a Champions League final and Euros final. Not sure if I'm struggling to understand which of these guys has to prove he's world class.
I wouldn't be in such a hurry to get rid of a quality manager like Mourinho. But I get your point, and he is such a polarizing figure, so can't fault fans for wanting him out.
League Cup+Europa League 2017 equals feck all I guess. No point arguing with people who have an Anti-Mourinho agenda. We genuinely have one of the few tier 1 world class managers in world football and fans want him gone over 1 player.
Then people moan when "player power" is too much and "oh bring back the good old days when players were loyal etc etc"
It's so telling that a significant portion of people would rather keep a player who has enormous potential but hasn't necessarily fulfilled it so far, over a manager.
If Jose doesn't get a fast start this year, the atmosphere at the club, in the stands, and everywhere else will be incredibly toxic.
If Jose doesn't get a fast start this year, the atmosphere at the club, in the stands, and everywhere else will be incredibly toxic.
sure give the power in the dressing room to players and their agents. see where that gets us
I’m honestly not overly enamoured with either of them. I do blame Jose for the general unrest and still having a poor squad though, and I think Pogba is a great player while I’m not sure Jose is a great manager anymore.
You could entirely flip that whole argument though.
If such a significant number of people are going with the player, then that to me is incredibly telling. Even if it is ridiculous to pick a player over a manager, the fact that people are says volumes about our manager.
And anyway, is Mourinho truly a "tier 1 world class manager"? Absolutely think he's had an incredible career, with incredible achievements. He certainly was one of if not the best managers in the world. But can we truly say that Jose Mourinho in the 2010's is the same as Jose Mourinho in the 2000's? Think the answer to that is, sadly, no. Something happened to him at RM, and the fact is he hasn't been the same since.
Easy choice, Pogba is a top player and I want to see him and this team under a more attacking and positive coach.
Neither.
It is Pogba's job to be disciplined and carry out the mangers instructions while ensuring he gives somewhere between 95% and 100% every match.
It is Jose's job to ensure the team is set up to win. The whole team not just Pogba. If there are genuine issues here then I don't think either player or manager is totally blameless.
Jose = great manager but questionable personality
Pogba = Potentially great player but questionable personality
It is Pogba's job to be disciplined and carry out the mangers instructions while ensuring he gives somewhere between 95% and 100% every match.
It is Jose's job to ensure the team is set up to win. The whole team not just Pogba. If there are genuine issues here then I don't think either player or manager is totally blameless.
Jose = great manager but questionable personality
Pogba = Potentially great player but questionable personality
I picked Mourinho.
Not because I like him or think we will do well with him but because I believe the manager should hold all the power. When you start letting players be the main man then things are truly fecked.
Not because I like him or think we will do well with him but because I believe the manager should hold all the power. When you start letting players be the main man then things are truly fecked.
Going by that argument, if the entire world thought the Earth was flat (as people did before), would that mean it was true?
Mou isn't the same as before I admit but he's still a damn world class manager and more importantly a winner. He won't rest like Poch et al who don't mind getting the runner's up award. That's what this club was built on, the winning mentality instilled by SAF.
I'd rather that winning mentality with Mourinho over a highly potential player who doesn't seem to be too bothered with his career vs his image in the media (club wise at least)
We are not giving anything, the power in the dressing room already belongs to players and agents, not just at our club but all clubs in general. It goes for other top clubs as well, managers and coaches today have very little power. In the end, it is easier and much cheaper to replace a manager than to replace players, with even average players going for stupid amounts of money. If a situation arises where players are unhappy with the coach, it is always the coach who will get the boot, irrespective of whether it is fair or not. This is just a natural side effect of ever increasing transfer fees. In the end, if our board has the choice to make between Pogba and Jose, don't be surprised if they choose Pogba as well.
This is a bit of a ridiculous post. One was a function of limited knowledge and insufficient development of science, the other is purely an opinion based on judgement and no amount of science or knowledge would allow you to be factually correct, so I won't even entertain discussing that notion.
Whether he is WC is, IMO, up for debate. No doubt he was, not sure about now.
Well that choice was very easy Mourinho Out all day long. Didn't the poll results to be any different, the man is toxic. In his 2 years here he has got the club to invest richly in his desires, yet he has got the team playing the most boring football known to man. He has alienated players, attacked them publicly in the press and everyone is to blame for the mess we are in except Jose. He has got 2 of our best players wanting to leave because of him and we have had a player like Kovacic ( if you can believe the press, it hasn't been denied either) not wanting to come to Utd as the football Jose plays wouldn't suit him, that I call a very diplomatic answer.
*Uses baseless logic saying if more people favor A, then A must be right and B must be wrong*.
I use the same logic inversely for another argument.
*Argues that the logic I used was baseless and won't entertain the discussion.*
Imagine voting to keep a toxic short term manager at the expense of Pogba.