Sick of both of them to be honest.
Mourinho or Pogba?
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If Mourinho gets us going this season Pogba will be a big part of that. I predict we will have both next year.
A manager who will be gone by the end of the year if his stints with every single club he managed before us are anything to go by, and who allowed us to play some of the most boring football seen this side of the century last season vs. one of the most talented young midfielders around who just led his country to a World Cup victory without sporting one of those fancy hair cuts you seem so annoyed by.
I've always believed in backing the manager.
But when I think of Mourinho starting a fight with Pogba's replacement (on top of taking pot shots at the board and several other players), I had to vote Pogba.
But when I think of Mourinho starting a fight with Pogba's replacement (on top of taking pot shots at the board and several other players), I had to vote Pogba.
Your inverse logic argument doesn’t make sense and I explained why, but I will do so again.
Your argument was because of a lack of knowledge on something that is a matter of fact. Scientists around the world all thought the world was flat. Hence everyone thought it was fact. Later science proved it wasn’t.
This not the same. It’s an opinion which can never be proven right or wrong before the fact or even after the fact, because people’s definition of success and world class is different. Therefore a consensus view is a reasonable method to get a sense of where people are overall on their opinions. Nothing’s guaranteed. You could be right or you could be wrong. But the fact that the majority of people don’t agree with you is telling.
But alas, arrogance.
I can't express in words how much I want that Portuguese black hole of negativity to leave the club.
I wish both would leave Utd. Pogba does not want to be at Utd, you could see that last year and again this year.
Mourinho is just pissing everyone off and trying to do the same thing he did at inter. Spend money on 29/30 year old players so he can win and feck off.
Mourinho is just pissing everyone off and trying to do the same thing he did at inter. Spend money on 29/30 year old players so he can win and feck off.
One is a 25 year one world cup winner who could be one of the best player's in the world and do so here for years to come.
The other is a manager in his third season who has never lasted more than three seasons at a club.
I'm sort of stumped that 100+ people are even picking Mourinho. Boggles the mind.
The other is a manager in his third season who has never lasted more than three seasons at a club.
I'm sort of stumped that 100+ people are even picking Mourinho. Boggles the mind.
I accept that Jose was the only choice for our manger at the time, but quite honestly, if it's a toss up between him and Pogba, I'd rather keep Pogba.
I said absolutely nothing about Mourinho's time at the club. There was no criticism of that in my post. If you want my opinion on that, then he has done enough to get more time at the club (i don't think he deserves to get sacked).
Players are longer term options than managers, I believe there are probably 2 players in the squad that are more valuable than the manager. Pogba and Rashford, both due to their upwards trajectory as well as them being academy players which is symbolic for the club. Pogba is also very important for the image of the club.
No player is bigger than the club, this was Fergie’s policy since he left Rooney and Pogba are making Utd look like idiots
For me, our board is too passive. They just let things get out of hand. Make a fecking decision already! I worry this will cause even more problems for our season - that's where I'm coming from.
Jose is a narcissist and won't or can't change his personality; and Pogba is greatly influenced by that cnut Riaola. The manager is pissing everyone off and worst doesn't seem to have a clue as to how to get us to play well. At this moment, we need Pogba for footballing and marketing reasons. We shouldn't sell him until the club is at a good point and we can obviously not only lose him, but get a good transfer fee. There's time to deal with Pogba and Riaola on our terms.
At this moment though, we need to look at all the implications of keeping one or the other. Pogba in pole position for all practical reasons, but the club needs to make a decision because both Pogba and Jose can't survive together for a whole season imho.
Jose is a narcissist and won't or can't change his personality; and Pogba is greatly influenced by that cnut Riaola. The manager is pissing everyone off and worst doesn't seem to have a clue as to how to get us to play well. At this moment, we need Pogba for footballing and marketing reasons. We shouldn't sell him until the club is at a good point and we can obviously not only lose him, but get a good transfer fee. There's time to deal with Pogba and Riaola on our terms.
At this moment though, we need to look at all the implications of keeping one or the other. Pogba in pole position for all practical reasons, but the club needs to make a decision because both Pogba and Jose can't survive together for a whole season imho.
I would have taken Darmian over José unless we start playing proper football again - which is unlikely under Mou.
Anyone saying Mourinho is still leaving in the past. Modern football has proven to be all about having the best players. Look at the most successful club's over the past ten years, they have all been hiring and firing whilst winning titles because they have good squads. Chelsea, Bayern, Madrid and Barcelona the only difference between them and us is that our recruitment is beyond trash. It's high time we got a dof.
When Zidane left no one said Madrid are headed to a terrible season but as soon as CR7 left the narrative changed. There are too many teams with money so it's important to hold on to your best players, hell even decent squad players are hard to get. If we had the choice to get Mbappe and a lesser manager like Enrique which choice would most take?
When Zidane left no one said Madrid are headed to a terrible season but as soon as CR7 left the narrative changed. There are too many teams with money so it's important to hold on to your best players, hell even decent squad players are hard to get. If we had the choice to get Mbappe and a lesser manager like Enrique which choice would most take?
No player is bigger than the club of course, but Mourinho isn't the club. He is a manager who will likely last 3-4 years in total.
If Pogba does something unprofessional then he can either rot in the reserves or get flogged off. But he hasn't done that.
118 people have so far voted for Mourinho. Let that sink in.
I prefer Mourinho, and I'm one of the people who actually don't like his methods. Pogba has been a mediocre return if you look at the price tag. A 100M player is supposed to do much much more.
So is a supposedly world class manager with a WEALTH of talent at his disposal.
Agree in regards to Pogba, but you have to admit the signals from Pogba camp shows he is unhappy and wants to leave
When you look at it the other way, has anybody in our team really performed consistently and shown themselves to be the level they were at previous teams or at various points with United? I can’t think of anyone other than De Gea.
Surely at some point the manager has take responsibility for not getting the best out of the majority of the team, many of whom are his signings.
Car crash of a season on the horizon by the looks of it. Wonder how many of the squad will down tools on Jose. I'd imagine it will be a fair few of them. Wouldn't mind seeing the back of both of them, but if you really had to make me choose i would want Jose gone as he was never the right fit here in the first place
Iirc he was flirting with PSG during the last season, no?
This is straight out of Riaola's playbook. He's a very difficult agent to deal with, demands huge agent fees and uses underhanded tactics for his players.
Apparently there was pressure from Mourinho for Pogba and Lukaku to drop Riaola after he found out that he was being offered to City in January.
He was, and we gave him a new contract after that.
Cheers mate!
I love when people express journalistic speculation or their thoughts as facts.
Where is the proof? Saying nice things about them to a French magazine, wow!
There's no contest here. Look at the poll so far. 80% for Pogba. 20% for Mourinho. What does this say about what fans think of our manager if they are prepared to prioritize/keep a player over him? Mourinho is not SAF. People need to wake up and realise this.
Yes it is, he was contracted to us, so why the feck is he talking about another club. If this is not flirting witb another club, then what is ??
The interview is a fact, not journalistic speculation, and the fact that he got his contract extended soon after is no coincidence.
Normally I will always say give 100% power to the manager, no any player should be allowed to challenge the authority of the manager, not even Beckham, Ronaldo or Messi.
But the problem is, more and more people around the club are increasingly pessimistic with Mourinho, and think that he will not last long. In this situation, it is painful to sacrifice out long term young talents because of Mourinho.
But the problem is, more and more people around the club are increasingly pessimistic with Mourinho, and think that he will not last long. In this situation, it is painful to sacrifice out long term young talents because of Mourinho.
80% of those voting already have.
Thank you captain
Has he not read the CAF lately?My thoughts
1. I really don't see Pogba as the person that would be trying to engineer a manager's depature.
2. Pogba is a very good player. Young, talented and excellent for the brand.
3. Pogba had been inconsistent at United.
4. With Raiola as his agent, we can't trust his loyalty or commitment to United.
5. Mourinho has had United on a upwards tragetory. We are are competitive and we're back in Europe.
6. Mourinho has a history of winning; even at United.
7. Mourinho attracts negative press and Mourinho doesn't play "pretty football"
8. Mourinho has never stayed beyond 3+ years at a club.
9. We've spent £300+ M to build a Mourinho team.
10. Man United image at stake.
Solution: Ed/the club cannot allow himself to be held to ransom. Both will stay for now. We'll reassess next year or as the situation changes.
1. I really don't see Pogba as the person that would be trying to engineer a manager's depature.
2. Pogba is a very good player. Young, talented and excellent for the brand.
3. Pogba had been inconsistent at United.
4. With Raiola as his agent, we can't trust his loyalty or commitment to United.
5. Mourinho has had United on a upwards tragetory. We are are competitive and we're back in Europe.
6. Mourinho has a history of winning; even at United.
7. Mourinho attracts negative press and Mourinho doesn't play "pretty football"
8. Mourinho has never stayed beyond 3+ years at a club.
9. We've spent £300+ M to build a Mourinho team.
10. Man United image at stake.
Solution: Ed/the club cannot allow himself to be held to ransom. Both will stay for now. We'll reassess next year or as the situation changes.
I'd put it another way. If Pogba and/or Martial leave then I want Jose gone too. We need to nurture our young talents not force them out the door.
Absolutely embarrassing this. The kind of thing that gets picked up by shit tabloids and regurgitated for months because of idiots on a forum.
Mind boggles. This place has become infested by wankers who’d rather watch pretty football like our biggest rivals, read 24/7 news media and believe every word, watch Instagram videos of superstar footballers and not bother with what makes a football club.
A fecking player over Jose?! 80%. Today’s the day. Idiots
Mind boggles. This place has become infested by wankers who’d rather watch pretty football like our biggest rivals, read 24/7 news media and believe every word, watch Instagram videos of superstar footballers and not bother with what makes a football club.
A fecking player over Jose?! 80%. Today’s the day. Idiots
Rather keep fellaini over mourinho at this stage.
Wonder if they'll both leave. At some point you have to look around and say the atmosphere is poison. No one is quite good enough for Man Utd apparently.
Feking spot on m8. In what feking world the player is bigger than the manager? Jesus these guys.
Dammit, I accidentally clicked Jose.
I would rather lose Jose tho, Pogba could be something absolutely special that doesn’t come along all that often, not easily replaceable. Jose probably a lot easier to replace. This is all assuming of course that Pogba issue with his current situation is all Jose related and not that he just doesn’t like Manchester, or infact any of it is true.
I would rather lose Jose tho, Pogba could be something absolutely special that doesn’t come along all that often, not easily replaceable. Jose probably a lot easier to replace. This is all assuming of course that Pogba issue with his current situation is all Jose related and not that he just doesn’t like Manchester, or infact any of it is true.
Er Jose Mourinho who got us to finish 2nd in the league, 2nd only to a freak City season!