We know they didn't want to invest this summer.
Why the negativity against Ed and the Glazers? Sorry I don't follow
- Thread starter vidic blood & sand
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
We know they didn't want to invest this summer.
Real Madrid? Who replaced Ronaldo with ... no one.
Berbatov cost around as much as Aguero. And we spent more money on Young than Chelsea on Mata.
That's like:
Jose: I want a Ford Mondeo.
Ed: Here we got a BMW M5 for you, now deal with it.
It basically boils down to there being no sign of ambition from them to challenge City. Its like we've just given up.
It's not just about spending a fortune on players to improve the current team either. We are neither doing that or buying young players to challenge in the future, or looking like building a structure to do so.
It's not just about spending a fortune on players to improve the current team either. We are neither doing that or buying young players to challenge in the future, or looking like building a structure to do so.
Sorry but you are wrong and VP is correct. Woodward brokered the deal that got the Glazers the money to buy Man Utd when he worked for JP Morgan and became our CEO. The purpose of a CEO is to make as much money as possible for the owners and sharesholders. Woodward has stated during a conference call with major shareholders that ‘Performances on the on the pitch will have no impact on the revenue stream of the club’. Why is this possible? Because we have hundreds of millions of registered fans, we have Pogba who is, apparently, the third most marketable sportsman on the planet after some American footballer and AJ, the Superstore etc etc. We could be relegated and the money would still pour in. The clubs value is in excess of £3,000,000,000. Therefore, Woodward is doing a good job for the Glazers.
The football side is the responsibility of Jose and the players. He will argue that he hasn’t got the tools for the job even though he bough most of them. He has also lost his right hand man and is in a war with United’s most valuable asset if you believe the media.
Guardiola on the other hand has no issues. He gets as much money as he wants, the club are under no pressure to be run as a business and players flock to them for an easy life on big, big money. How much do the bench sitters earn at the Emptyhad? That is what is winding Jose up. He’s seen Klopp spend big and even West Ham have splashed the cash but not Utd. We spent comparatively little compared to previous years.
So the position magically imbues him with great knowledge?
For all the people defending Woodward's commercial decision not to sign players: are you supporters of the club/players or are you supporters of the Glazer's bank balance?
It's almost as if you are happy that we are not buying new players to inject new blood into the team and instead, putting the money into the pockets of shareholders.
There are some in here who believe that any money saved this year, will be spent the following year - this won't happen.
If it came to spending £200M on Maguire or that money going into the pockets of the Glazers and we get no new players, I'd rather overspend on Maquire.
Jose wanted to spend, in the hope of winning the title. Woodward/Glazers did not want to fund a title challenge and were happy with 4th place.
Anyone who supports the 4th place philosophy of the Glazers, cannot seriously be a MUFC supporter.
Yep.
It's almost as if you are happy that we are not buying new players to inject new blood into the team and instead, putting the money into the pockets of shareholders.
There are some in here who believe that any money saved this year, will be spent the following year - this won't happen.
If it came to spending £200M on Maguire or that money going into the pockets of the Glazers and we get no new players, I'd rather overspend on Maquire.
Jose wanted to spend, in the hope of winning the title. Woodward/Glazers did not want to fund a title challenge and were happy with 4th place.
Anyone who supports the 4th place philosophy of the Glazers, cannot seriously be a MUFC supporter.
Yep.
Round of applause! Clink glasses. Absolutely spot fecking on, that poster. I could not possibly agree more.
How have you lost confidence in Mourinho? He came as close to winning the league as any manager has in the last 5 years, and he has won us a major European trophy as well a domestic cup in just two years at the club. I think the club was moving forward right up until the Glazers and Woodward decided to not spend anything this summer. Mou had a plan. He wanted a world class center back to partner his young center backs and to play attacking football based on a high quality backline. I think this plan was destroyed this summer when the owners yet again decided to underfund the team.
It's fine if they've decided not to repay any of the almost 800m they've taken out of the club. I just wish they were honest with the fans well before season tickets were sold and before the season started and said that they weren't willing to invest. Instead, we have YET ANOTHER post-summer "I could have signed this guy and that guy" from Woodward, out to protect his own backside. Fans have every right to be furious with how they've been treated. To a certain extent, Mourinho should be unhappy too. But he's also the highest paid manager in the league and should be able to coach a team to play quality football given his current resources. We'll see what happens, but I can imagine a significant portion of our fanbase is now waking up to the fact of how devastating this current style of ownership has been to the club, the city and to football in general.
Can't help but think all of this growing of the United brand and increasing club value is about pricing anyone out of a potential takeover bid, hence allowing the Glazers to continue milking the cash cow forever more, whilst only giving it a kick in the arse every so often to make sure it's awake and that milk keeps on flowing.
They have no interest in the on field success of the club, no interest in seeing us win anything and every interest in those pointless forbes list and NYSE publications which come around every so often. Taking swathes of profits out each year and putting a fraction of that money back into the club to keep that value and things ticking over.
They are utter parasites, but they are clever in doing just enough to ensure there's no mass revolt against them and disguising the occasion star acquisition as ambition to take the club back to times of on field glory (Woodward is the key to this, in addition to fooling the manager of the same thing).
They have no interest in the on field success of the club, no interest in seeing us win anything and every interest in those pointless forbes list and NYSE publications which come around every so often. Taking swathes of profits out each year and putting a fraction of that money back into the club to keep that value and things ticking over.
They are utter parasites, but they are clever in doing just enough to ensure there's no mass revolt against them and disguising the occasion star acquisition as ambition to take the club back to times of on field glory (Woodward is the key to this, in addition to fooling the manager of the same thing).
I’d say it’s a lot less than the average Caftard
The past 4 years, we have spent a lot and Ed's been praised. Now he says hold up no because we aren't getting guaranteed successful players and we really not going anywhere and he's back to knowing nothing. He's not entirely blameless, but it is the coaching that has failed the most, end of. We definitely need a DOF to take over, but we also desperately need a modern coach. The Glazers are whatever, they take money, but they also spend, and have shown a willingness to spend big. Not ideal, but honestly the least of the three problems.
Mourinho's lack of patience and obsession with big spending is responsible for the mess now. Jose will always prefer to spend 100 million on a player club wants as opposed to 30 million on an unfashionable Sadio Mane. Most fans wanted Jose so there can be no whinging now. But in Jose's first stint at Chelsea he was allowed to spend what was equivelant to 70 million on a player back then and if after 5 minutes if he didn't like the new signing he would simply dump them on the bench and spend another 70 million on a replacement. Jose would look like a total genius in the process who could seemingly tell after 5 seconds if a player was going to make it or not and Jose greatly believed his own hype at the time. But at a club at Utd where you demand 30 million for Lindelof then after 5 minutes you don't get another 50 million right away to replace him and that has never been the utd way and Jose is starting to learn that for first time in his career he will actually be expected to develop one or two players and he's not liking it and throwing toys out of pram already. We're best off sticking with Jose for one more season after this if he hasn't purposly tried to get himself sacked before then as he is only 2 or 3 signings away from a Jose team that could win a lot with park the bus tactics
If you think that's good enough fair enough. I don't know many united supporters who are happy with the job he's doing. I doubt if the board are thrilled either especially when taking all his public griping into account.
He shouldn't need s constant pit of money to get a team to play well. The squad is quite good imo but he's getting nothing out of it
Agree with this.
We are in a world cup year and getting players was always going to be harder because of that and the fact that the window was shorter. Lets see what we can do this year, get Martial and Pogba sorted on way or another, get rid of the players who will be out of contract who arent needed and see where Jose is at come the end of the season. If he wants to stay then back him completely next season or if not the new manager will have a decent budget and platform to start from.
No we don’t. Ed even came out and said if the right type of player is available ie Varane, then they would happily sanction it. So no, we don’t know they didn’t want to invest and if anything sounds like they did, not to mention we spent roughly 70 mil on 2 players this summer.
The right players are always available. That's been proven in recent years.
Difference being they wanted players and didnt get them. They wanted Hazard, and that didnt come off. With what they have already and what they've already won the last few years, its more than justifiable to wait another year or six months. When we sold Ronaldo, where did that £80 million go? It should have went straight back into strengthening what we despeately needed. He was our best player by a mile, we sold him for a world record fee and brought in nothing close to what he brought to the side. The two situations arent even comparable.
We brought in Berbatov to strengthen our attack, and then let Tevez and Ronaldo go the season after. I fail to see your point here.
So you just want them to write blank cheques and do whatever. Sound logic that.
If someone is world class and deemed a perfect fit, which is apparently the only thing we're allowed to go for, it's going to cost money.
If we aren't prepared to splash big time, we'll need to think about a compromise, which is what most fans wanted and would still quite obviously improve us.
Age notwithstanding, Alderweireld is hugely talented and would’ve been massive upgrade, much like VVD has been for Liverpool.
This makes absolutely no sense. Why would they be interested only on seeing us on these 'pointless' lists when they actually own 80% of the club, which is around 2.5b pounds at the moment. And why would they want to raise the value of the club to be impossible for someone to buy, when the entire point is to raise the value of the club in order to sell stocks and so get money for it? You actually realize that they own most of the stocks and control the board, so at any moment can decide to remove United from stock-exchange, if they just don't want to sell it.
On dividends (as in, the money that goes to Glazers' pockets) they are getting circa 20m per year, which is around 3% of the revenue. Around the same goes also on interest payments (which would have gone anyway on tax payments), and I guess that a bit goes on tax payments. The other 90% of the money is either reinvested each year on the club or some of it goes into cash reserves (I believe we have circa 300m there), like it or not, and no conspiracy theory which makes absolutely no sense changes it.
So 75M for Maguire is a sound decision?
So how does that fit in with not investing this summer when we spent 70 odd mil. The right players aren’t always available either, ie Varane was never going to be available and there is a severe lack of CB’s at or near that sort of level. It’s clear the will to invest is there, but United aren’t going to be taken for mugs and break or go near WR fees for a Maguire, that would just be being silly.
We also have to take in to account the Glazers whole buisness model is based on the success of the club, the club has to maintain a certain level of success and to do that they have to invest to keep it competitive. So it is appealing to sponsors and so on.
So to sign Maguire for that amount is a correct decision?
And when money is a commercial decision, that's where Ed is doing his job. I mean, is he supposed to run around throwing money at random players?
So there's no CBs at the very best level, there's probably not going to be next year either if that's the case. Are we just going to refuse to buy anyone and improve in the necessary areas? Are we going to buy someone young and unproven and wait 4 years for them to possibly look alright while still struggling?
Perhaps we need to improve the scouting so we can find the kind players Liverpool do, but I doubt that will be instant.
Jose has never spent 100million on a player. Such a weird thing to criticise him for. And do you not think Mourinho would not bite someones arm off for a player like Mane? At 30million especially? Considering his similar profile to Willian who Jose loves? In fact didn't the board veto LVG's interest in Mane as he wasn't fashionable enough? But we should trust Ed right?
You know that by this point we sound like Glazer's shills right?
But seriously, being a PLC makes it fairly easy to see where the money goes.
What are you talking about ?
When did I say Maguire was a good or bad decision?
My original point was that a transfer is not solely a commercial decision.
Also .. “random players” you think Maguire was a random player? Clearly he was scouted, clearly Mourinho thought he was good enough and Woodward agreed, because he tried to buy him.
So evidently from the football side, Woodward agreed Maguire was good enough, but from the commercial side it wasn’t worth it.
I dont fecking believe people these days
Pogba cost over €100m?
The transitions from Mancini -> Pellegrini -> Guardiola were relatively smooth in terms of playing style and preferred player types.
The transitions from Moyes -> LvG -> Mourniho were as jarring as it was possible to be. All three managers couldn't have been more different, and their recruitment policies reflected that.
SAF left behind a squad with obvious deficiencies and the purchases we've made since have been aligned to totally disconnected philosophies. Now that we've finally got a World Class manager, we need to support his vision for the future or else waste the opportunity he's offering to the club to wipe the slate clean.
By not fully supporting to Jose desired transfer targets, we're entrenching the mistakes of the past.
The problem is that Ed and the Glazers can only offer support to the manager if they admit that they themselves made serious errors of judgement leading up to this point. The negativity against them has been well earned. But it's being made worse by the fact that their refusal to take a share of the blame is still hurting the club in some very real ways. The only way to fix that is to sanction the spending the manager feels he needs.
The priorities of the board seem to be all about their own image rather than the well-being of the club. And that selfishness is understandably causing a backlash.
The transitions from Moyes -> LvG -> Mourniho were as jarring as it was possible to be. All three managers couldn't have been more different, and their recruitment policies reflected that.
SAF left behind a squad with obvious deficiencies and the purchases we've made since have been aligned to totally disconnected philosophies. Now that we've finally got a World Class manager, we need to support his vision for the future or else waste the opportunity he's offering to the club to wipe the slate clean.
By not fully supporting to Jose desired transfer targets, we're entrenching the mistakes of the past.
The problem is that Ed and the Glazers can only offer support to the manager if they admit that they themselves made serious errors of judgement leading up to this point. The negativity against them has been well earned. But it's being made worse by the fact that their refusal to take a share of the blame is still hurting the club in some very real ways. The only way to fix that is to sanction the spending the manager feels he needs.
The priorities of the board seem to be all about their own image rather than the well-being of the club. And that selfishness is understandably causing a backlash.
Last edited:
The Ed and Glazers apologists in this thread need to get their heads checked.
The Glazers are the worst thing to ever happen top this club. They are lucky they had SAF to steady the ship after their takeover or God knows where we would be right now
The Glazers are the worst thing to ever happen top this club. They are lucky they had SAF to steady the ship after their takeover or God knows where we would be right now
I don't think you can level too much blame on the Glazers recently since they've handed over the cash willingly post Fergie. Only for Moyes to refuse to use it. Then LVG/Woodward to waste it on garbage signings and Mourinho/Woodward to use it poorly.
He also cost 400,000,000,000 Naira if we are going to convert it into other currencies at different exchange rates.
That question is very much dependent on how highly you rate him though so you can't peg it as a commercial decision.
Ferdinand was a world record fee when we signed him but we went for it even after being burned by Veron.
Since when is that a fact or even a rumor?
If they’d have bought Pogba from a team in Nigeria then that would be relevant.
As it happens, United paid €105 million euros to Juventus for pogba.
I know, which is kind of amazing. I mean, I wouldn't lose sleep if they sell us today as long as it isn't to Saudi Arabia or to some other businessmen who will leverage the buy via a debt, so if they sell us to Soros or Buffet or whatever, I wouldn't give it a shit. But thing is, it has been so much propaganda based on lies, that is kind of impossible to just not post about it. I actually think that a lot of those people would have preferred if we went bankrupt just to see their doom-mongering prophecies be true. It seemed that they almost lived for it. And when their prophecies never got realized, they still pretend that they were right.You know that by this point we sound like Glazer's shills right?
But seriously, being a PLC makes it fairly easy to see where the money goes.
And as you said, being a PLC makes things easy, you can read the reports. So either the Glazers are falsifying the reports, or they are not getting more than 20m pounds from the club via dividends.
A lot of people seem to think that we didn't spend money this summer, cause Glazers want the money for itself. Yet there is no truth (so far) on that, and well, soon the Q3 reports will be released, and if they increase the dividend, we will know it.
This. Anyone supporting the Glazers has rocks in their head. Seriously, seriously sad state of affairs.