Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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Perfect reply.I see madness everywhere. In one side PC lunatics with their first world priorities. In the other side neo nazis trying to get away with neo nazi things by screaming "pc culture" when they are caught.
Can someone tell me why banning clapping is wrong ? We've all seen the Tonight Show With - insert annoying man in suit here - so we already know clapping is annoying, loud, smug and never done as a reaction to a well made point. Whats the problem.
I'm not sure the Tonight Show should be the universal barometer for how we judge human behaviours.
In answer to your question, though, banning clapping is wrong because... I mean, come on. It's just fecking clapping.
Fairly sure this has all happened before. I think there was a conference at another University a few years ago where someone got triggered by clapping and suggested jazz hands instead.
EDIT: here you go. I think this might have been discussed on the first few pages of this thread!
Yeah this is a case of PC gone mad.
I agree, they should also ban laughter, or at least, ban laughter for people who laugh in an annoying way or at inopportune times.
To be replaced by "jazz laughing", opening and closing your mouth in complete silence.
'Jazz chanting' has been a massive success at OT, so no reason why this wouldn't work.
Thinking clapping is irritating is fine...actually banning it in case it triggers anxiety is...yeah. Plenty of people clap for positive reasons.
Ah yeah we already know that.
what if it does trigger anxiety in some people? Do we ignore their problem in favour of the right for everyone else to clap, do we stop clapping or is there another solution.
We find out the underlying problem that causes the anxiety and try to solve that. Banning clapping is actually ignoring their problems, because you take away te impulse that triggers a deeper lying psycological problem. So actually, people that want to ban clapping are detrimental to our mental well being amd should be prosecuted.
Imo.
Yes, so let's throw our young into the path of mechanised death...again.
Wait so the alternative solution is to have a little break at the start to provide quick-fix psychological help?
Why does clapping trigger anxiety? That’s what has me confused here. And what proportion of attendees are affected to the extent that everyone else has to adjust their behaviour to accommodate them?
Liverpool are causing me anxiety this season … just saying
lots of things trigger anxiety, sudden loud noises being a common trigger
is there a minimum that has to be met?
If someone is genuinely anxious at the prospect of clapping to the point where they can't cope with it then it's fine for people to adapt their behaviour out of common decency to accommodate said person. Certainly I'd have no problem with doing so. I'm not really sure clapping's likely to trigger anxiety to a far greater extent than a whole myriad of normal social behaviours we partake in every day though, and for that reason I find a complete banning of it fairly absurd. I'm willing to be proven wrong on this one and if there's ample evidence which suggests it's something which genuinely causes great anxiety in people then I'll be more forgiving to the above move, but on the whole I don't think it's something that particularly affects most people, and while that's no reason not to accommodate the minority it does effect, a complete banning on something completely normal and benign is bizarre.
these rules tend to come in because someone there asked for it which usually means it's worse than the rest of it for that person, that's why they're so uncommon, it just so happens this one is being asked for by female students (who are taking down western civilisation with their muslim friends) so it's more newsworthy for certain outlets than say, steve in hull who can't be around things that smell like rosewater and is easily startled by outside noises for some unknown reason
I don't know mate, I'm trying to keep an open mind about it as clearly people have voiced an issue with it and mental health issues are poorly understood in society. Would 1 person be enough? I think we should make reasonable adjustments and I'd personally have no issue with not being able to clap, it's not a hobby of mine just a habit.
Clapping is by and large overused and obnoxious in any public setting.
Banning it outright seems too hasty though. Behaviours like this are best discouraged over time.
Banning it outright seems too hasty though. Behaviours like this are best discouraged over time.
Isn't it arguable that if someone has an issue with clapping then it'd be better for that to be dealt with at a specific meeting/club they're attending, instead of a complete ban on it across the university? If it is a genuine problem then I don't want to belittle it but it's a problem I'd argue is so benign and (probably) rare that a complete ban may be a bit too much. Indeed I doubt it'd rank as any worse than a whole myriad of social activities in which we partake every day.
I also think there's got to be a distinction made between things which genuinely trigger proper anxiety and things we find slightly uncomfortable. 'Trigger warnings' were something maligned by the right but there are a lot of cases when they're undoubtedly necessary for people who suffer from trauma and PTSD after certain events. There's a difference between that and something I may find slightly uncomfortable. I don't like the sound of a chair screeching when being dragged across the room but I wouldn't class it as something that triggers anxiety in me.
if we give into these people, what comes next? banning loyalty oaths to the leader of our nation state? telling me I cant go to youth soccer matches and heckle the players? putting an attendant in each bathroom to make people wash their hands?
it's not the entire university, it's student union events and it's not for you so it doesn't matter where you'd rank it
Avoiding things that cause irrational anxiety should not be avoided. That's not fixing the problem, that's ignoring it. It's a very common reflex in anxiety dissorder sufferers (speaking fron experience here) to avoid impulses that trigger anxiety. That's the opposite of what you should do.
People who get irrationally anxious over people clapping have a problem, they should try to fix this problem by identifying the root, not by hiding from people who clap. It sounds mean and counter intuitive and the fact some people have to overcome these problems is unfair on them, but that's the only way to fix them.
In holland we have a saying: zachte heelmeesters maken stinkende wonden. Which translates to something like the sift approach leaves festering wounds. Thats rather appropriate here.
People who get irrationally anxious over people clapping have a problem, they should try to fix this problem by identifying the root, not by hiding from people who clap. It sounds mean and counter intuitive and the fact some people have to overcome these problems is unfair on them, but that's the only way to fix them.
In holland we have a saying: zachte heelmeesters maken stinkende wonden. Which translates to something like the sift approach leaves festering wounds. Thats rather appropriate here.
usually when the usual outlets stir up these kinds of stories they differ from their usual attack in one way; they never talk about the people who asked for it and don't try to doxx them as they might people who protest some teaching on colonialism or women's rights
it's pretty obvious that it's because it's easier to raise a rainbow at "students ban clapping" than it for "named source asks for clapping to be banned because it triggers their anxiety and makes it impossible to attend large public events"
it's pretty obvious that it's because it's easier to raise a rainbow at "students ban clapping" than it for "named source asks for clapping to be banned because it triggers their anxiety and makes it impossible to attend large public events"
both are an option, we're not going to stop using condoms because there's antibiotics that get rid of chlamydia
The only way to overcome an irrational fear is by experiencing it and learning that they're not actually dangerous. It's not in the slightest the same as your condom analogy.
So a thousand people can't live normally because 1 guy has anxiety? If the ratio is even that big.
I'd suggest if you have that much anxiety by people applauding just lock yourself up at home, because loud cars, motorcycles and butterflies will probably scare you aswell.
What's next? No cheering or whistling? Singing along at a concert still ok?
Imagine being a triggered weirdo, going out to places with loads of people and demanding everyone to stop normal practices to accommodate you. Christ.
there are different types of anxiety and trauma, the things that worked for you will only work the type of anxiety or anxieties you had
this would would be 7.4 million people on the planet
it's actually closer to 1 in 5 in reality, just over a billion people
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Obviously all forms of anxiety can't be lumped together, but Cognitive behavioral therapy is a very common way of treating a multitude of anxiety disorders. This therapy consists of, among other things, invoking your irrational fears and learning to cope and deal with them in order to recognize them for what they are, harmless. This at first is extremely difficult and counter intuitive. Which is why the person suffering from anxiety is in no way qualified to decide what is and what is not good for him/her. I sympathize with someone trying to get clapping banned because it causes them anxiety, but what I'm saying is that without them knowing or intending it, it's actually detrimental for their own well being. In the end, anxiety over people clapping is irrational. Clapping is not dangerous. Therapy can help you see clapping in this correct, none dangerous light.
More over, if you ban clapping, where do you set the limit? Do we ban people talking in the park if someone says it causes them anxiety? Do we reserve empty traincars for people who are afraid to sit between people they don't know? You can't do that, because a world where we try to accomodate everyone's irrational fear is unrealizable. The world is a rational place and our societal rules are mostly based on this.
I symphatize with people suffering from anxiety, more than you might realize, but banning clapping because it makes you anxious is not PC gone mad, because it has feck all to do with it. It's detrimental to people suffering from anxiety and that's much more important.
Also, it's not remotely the same as STD's and condoms.
Good thing I pulled that number out of my arse and it's probably much less then.
If clapping scares you why not just stay away from places where there will likely be applause?
I think this is a great idea. Personally I'm triggered by idiots who eat with their mouths open. Can we get some legislation on criminalising this?
Just as an example, compared to clapping there are many, many, many more people triggered by i.e. crowds. Why don't we put bans on high numbers of people gathering? Why don't concerts have areas where people have to stand 3m apart from their nearest neighbours? Real talk if they had that I'd probably go to more of them.
Just as an example, compared to clapping there are many, many, many more people triggered by i.e. crowds. Why don't we put bans on high numbers of people gathering? Why don't concerts have areas where people have to stand 3m apart from their nearest neighbours? Real talk if they had that I'd probably go to more of them.
I want to see a football match where everybody just sits there in silence doing jazz hands after their team scores a last minute winner.
okay lets assume they're on another type of therapy and make the event easier for that person since we don't know either way and it would be a dickhead move to assume what their exact problem is and the exact treatments they're getting/should be getting
and we on the internet are?
if you care about clapping so much don't go to manchester student union events
I guess the point here is that they don’t want to exclude people from student union meetings.
That's just where it starts though. Next it'll be theatres and other venues.