Modric deserves Ballon d'Or, but Ronaldo will get it

If it is about inspiring a side Messi should have this locked down. BTW nobody gives a damn about league performances when it comes to the Ballon, I thought that was crystal clear? :) Especially in the seasons where Messi tears up the league and Modric, CRonaldo et all don't win it.
 
Kush said:
So.. future Ballon d'Or winner is unable to inspire this Real Madrid side? Just gone 6 hours without scoring. Some creativity wouldn't go amiss from him.
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He has been getting subbed off when Madrid need a goal regularly...

Modric deserves a top 3
finish, nothing more than that. At this point it would be insanity to give it to him. It would kill any of the remaining prestige the award has.

Champions League performances should be given more importance than league performances and the World Cup even more so. But Modric had a poor CL campaign last season and if you’re going to give it to him based just on the World Cup then surely the likes of Hazard and Mandzukic should be in the top 5 too?

The truth is if this wasn’t Ronaldo’s record breaking sixth Ballon D’Or, the propaganda wouldn’t be happening and Modric wouldn’t have a shot but I believe by the time it happens we’ll see Modric finishing third at best.
 
Peyroteo said:
Champions League performances should be given more importance than league performances and the World Cup even more so. But Modric had a poor CL campaign last season and if you’re going to give it to him based just on the World Cup then surely the likes of Hazard and Mandzukic should be in the top 5 too?
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Modric was better than your loverboy in the last three games of the Champions League. And miles better than him in the WC. The only hope that CR had (before the rape case started spinning again) was an insane start to this season. Which hasn't happened.

BTW when is the voting deadline for the Ballon this year? France Football will probably release their shortlist next week, if last year is anything to go by.
 
pregra said:
If it is about inspiring a side Messi should have this locked down. BTW nobody gives a damn about league performances when it comes to the Ballon, I thought that was crystal clear? :) Especially in the seasons where Messi tears up the league and Modric, CRonaldo et all don't win it.
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Messi inspiring a side when chips are down? Did you miss the entirety of World Cup or the number of knockout matches where Barca have folded with Messi making little impact? Roma last season is just such one instance. Ronaldo is someone who produces clutch performances more than him. So no I disagree with your notion.

League performances should count and that's why I believe Messi should've been in Top 3 shortlist alongside Ronaldo and Salah. But emphasis will always be placed on CL in a normal year and on Euros/WC in their respective years.

pregra said:
Modric was better than your loverboy in the last three games of the Champions League. And miles better than him in the WC. The only hope that CR had (before the rape case started spinning again) was an insane start to this season. Which hasn't happened.

BTW when is the voting deadline for the Ballon this year? France Football will probably release their shortlist next week, if last year is anything to go by.
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Just playing better in last 3 matches doesn't mean was a better performer throughout the Champions League. Ronaldo absolutely owned the Champions League once again and set few records in the process, goalless 3 matches don't wash away the good work done prior to that even though lot of fanboys would want you to believe that.

As far as WC is concerned it's not like Ronaldo had a terrible campaign, 4 in 4 is a pretty good record. His start to the season has been fine, he's not putting up staggering numbers yet because he's getting adjusted to the new team and league. Once he's dialed in he'll rip up the charts again.

Don't know what a legal case has to do with an award solely given for performances in a specific season.
 
If Modric wins it, he'd be the worst performing player in football history to win it.
 
Peyroteo said:
If Modric wins it, he'd be the worst performing player in football history to win it.
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If you are judging by season in which thry present the award,I think Ronaldo from last season was probably terrible too. Lucky for them they were incredible season before.
 
Amar__ said:
If you are judging by season in which thry present the award,I think Ronaldo from last season was probably terrible too. Lucky for them they were incredible season before.
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1 off a goal a game, from a striker. Clearly not the problem.
 
Amar__ said:
If you are judging by season in which thry present the award,I think Ronaldo from last season was probably terrible too. Lucky for them they were incredible season before.
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Modric has been poor by his standards this whole year bar 2 games at the WC and the second half of the CL final.

Last year Ronaldo at the start of the season was three times the player Modric has been this season. 16 goals in 22 games for the first half of the season it a Real Madrid team that was playing horribly, first player ever to score in all 6 CL grup stage games. As for Modric, if it wasn't for his name he wouldn't even start for Real Madrid right now.

Modric in 2018 has been A LOT worse than Ronaldo in 2017, it's not even comparable. The difference is simple, one is likeable, the other isn't so people like you will make things up without watching the games and threads like these happen.
 
Ekeke said:
1 off a goal a game, from a striker. Clearly not the problem.
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He scored 1 goal in league last season up until middle of November after 7 or 8 games. His record in CL was good though.
 
I don't think there is an outstanding candidate this year.
 
If this wasn't Ronaldo's sixth... he'd win it comfortably. Don't get me wrong, he isn't a clear winner but he's done more than all the other candidates, voting fatigue, the fact he'd break the record and the rape allegations will make this closer than it should be.

Madrid's results opening a lot of eyes as to what Modric's performances have been like will help him though.
 
Peyroteo said:
If this wasn't Ronaldo's sixth... he'd win it comfortably. Don't get me wrong, he isn't a clear winner but he's done more than all the other candidates, voting fatigue, the fact he'd break the record and the rape allegations will make this closer than it should be.

Madrid's results opening a lot of eyes as to what Modric's performances have been like will help him though.
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Agreed.
 
Peyroteo said:
If this wasn't Ronaldo's sixth... he'd win it comfortably. Don't get me wrong, he isn't a clear winner but he's done more than all the other candidates, voting fatigue, the fact he'd break the record and the rape allegations will make this closer than it should be.

Madrid's results opening a lot of eyes as to what Modric's performances have been like will help him though.
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I love how some people are trying to pretend that being good in september/october is more important than leading his team to the world cup final. It's a WC year, WC matters, espacially now that the votes are in the hands of the journalists, and Ronaldo blew it in the most important competition.

On top of that, Ronaldo had a terrible CL final.
 
Oly Francis said:
I love how some people are trying to pretend that being good in september/october is more important than leading his team to the World Cup final. It's a WC year, WC matters, espacially now that the votes are in the hands of the journalists, and Ronaldo blew it in the most important competition.

On top of that, Ronaldo had a terrible CL final.
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Well, there were times when Ronaldo won it based on three good games in september so you can't blame them.
 
Oly Francis said:
I love how some people are trying to pretend that being good in september/october is more important than leading his team to the World Cup final. It's a WC year, WC matters, espacially now that the votes are in the hands of the journalists, and Ronaldo blew it in the most important competition.

On top of that, Ronaldo had a terrible CL final.
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Of course the WC matters, of course it matters a lot more than being good in September/October but if you follow the same logic then Perisic will finish ahead of Messi then.

It's not like Modric tore the World Cup apart Maradona style... he had two above average games. That was it.
 
Amar__ said:
Well, there were times when Ronaldo won it based on three good games in september so you can't blame them.
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Yeah he won it based on three very important games while being regularly throughout the season at a level Modric has never in his whole career came close to matching, nevermind in his worse season in the past 5 years.

Your comparisons are beyond absurd. Average for Ronaldo isn't the same than what it is for Modric. One's bad form is being a top 10 player in the world easily, the other's bad form is not even being a top 10 player in his own team.

The reason it's going to be close is the amount of people like yourself spreading propaganda because it would upset them beyond words to see Ronaldo become a record breaking sixth time Ballon D'Or winner.
 
Peyroteo said:
Of course the WC matters, of course it matters a lot more than being good in September/October but if you follow the same logic then Perisic will finish ahead of Messi then.

It's not like Modric tore the World Cup apart Maradona style... he had two above average games. That was it.
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Modric will never play Maradona style but he gives the tempo of his entire team. He rarely scores, rarely gives assists but had a huge importance. Saying that he had 2 above average game during the WC shows a total lack of understanding of how the balance of a team works. The game against france was pretty much the only subpar game he had, he was great the rest of the time, even when his team struggled like against iceland or russia.
 
Peyroteo said:
Yeah he won it based on three very important games while being regularly throughout the season at a level Modric has never in his whole career came close to matching, nevermind in his worse season in the past 5 years.

Your comparisons are beyond absurd. Average for Ronaldo isn't the same than what it is for Modric. One's bad form is being a top 10 player in the world easily, the other's bad form is not even being a top 10 player in his own team.

The reason it's going to be close is the amount of people like yourself spreading propaganda because it would upset them beyond words to see Ronaldo become a record breaking sixth time Ballon D'Or winner.
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Don't you understand that it's not about knowing if a bad Ronaldo is better than an average Modric? Nobody cares about that. There's 2 important competitions for the ballon d'or, CL and the WC. Ronaldo had a couple of great CL games but sucked during the final and was totally armless when it mattered in the WC. Modric had a decent CL overall, was great during the final and was the most important player for Croatia and their way to the WC final, that's it.
 
Oly Francis said:
Modric will never play Maradona style but he gives the tempo of his entire team.
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That was true, two years ago. It is most definitely not the truth now and that's the freaking problem. There's absolutely no way someone can have watched Modric play in 2018 and say that statement seriously.

Oly Francis said:
The game against france was pretty much the only subpar game he had, he was great the rest of the time, even when his team struggled like against iceland or russia.
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Bullshit, he was atrocious vs Denmark... that was a lot worse than his match vs France. He was good vs England, great vs Russia and vs Argentina and average in the other 2 group games.

If he's going to win it because of that then Rakitic has to make the top 5 easily too.
 
Peyroteo said:
Bullshit, he was atrocious vs Denmark... that was a lot worse than his match vs France. He was good vs England, great vs Russia and vs Argentina and average in the other 2 group games.

If he's going to win it because of that then Rakitic has to make the top 5 easily too.
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Don't be ridiculous, he was average against Denmark, i'd take atrocious players like that every day.

Did Rakitic win the CL? Did I miss something?
 
Oly Francis said:
Don't you understand that it's not about knowing if a bad Ronaldo is better than an average Modric? Nobody cares about that. There's 2 important competitions for the ballon d'or, CL and the WC. Ronaldo had a couple of great CL games but sucked during the final and was totally armless when it mattered in the WC. Modric had a decent CL overall, was great during the final and was the most important player for Croatia and their way to the WC final, that's it.
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If that wasn't just completely incorrect then he'd deserve it. If we go by your logic, the top 5 of the Ballon D'Or will be Modric, Perisic, Rakitic, Varane and Griezmann.

Modric had a terrible Champions League... only match Madrid got any control was PSG away, without Modric on the pitch. Their midfield got outplayed every single time, only good half of football he played in the entire tournament was the second half of the final. He had a much worse CL than Ronaldo's World Cup.

The group stages of the WC ended with Modric and Ronaldo having a similar level of performances, one great game each (Argentina/Spain), then they both had bad games... Modric was terrible vs Denmark and missed a decisive penalty on top of it, Ronaldo was inconsequential vs Uruguay. One went through, the other didn't. You focus on Ronaldo having a bad CL final while ignoring that Modric was a lot worse during the WC final.

Champions League and World Cup may be the most important by far but they aren't the only thing that matters either. Especially when their level has been so far apart throughout the year.
 
Oly Francis said:
Don't be ridiculous, he was average against Denmark, i'd take atrocious players like that every day.

Did Rakitic win the CL? Did I miss something?
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He didn't, he played better than Modric did though and he didn't have a much worse WC either.

Modric was awful vs Denmark, if Croatia lose that penalty shootout he'd have been the villain.
 
meninred said:
Helping a small European nation to World Cup final..as a fighter for the underdogs..
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ah ok.I think that the fact that the magazine is French and having won the World Cup, may have more influence than what you say about the underdog.
For the other awards Modric was my favorite, but in this case I think it is Griezmann.
 
If the Ballon d'Or is intended to recognise the best footballer then it will go to Messi, as Messi was the best footballer in the world last season, is the best footballer in the world this season, and will be the best footballer in the world next season. And his performances across the season as a whole were simply far better than anyone else. Literally on a different plane.

If the Ballon d'Or is to just be awarded to a player from a team that won the Champions League then give it to anyone. It's not a measure of the best footballer anyway. You might as well give it to Nacho. I mean, he won the Champions League, so he must be better than Messi.

I personally do not understand why such awards now have to go to players who won trophies. That is what team trophies are for. Individual trophies are for individual performances, and Messi has been comfortably the best player in European football for season after season.

The fact that Ronaldo may after this year have won more Ballon d'Or titles than Messi is literally a travesty. The implication from this is that Ronaldo is the better player, whereas everyone who remotely understand football and is remotely objective knows that Messi is clearly the superior footballer, great player though Ronaldo is and has been. That's why people ask whether or not Messi is the greatest player ever, and he is bracketed with Pele and Maradona.

In terms of who wins it out of Modric and Ronaldo...Modric isn't fit to lace Messi's boots, and Messi is significantly better than Ronaldo, so who cares who wins it out of the two of them?
 
wub1234 said:
If the Ballon d'Or is intended to recognise the best footballer then it will go to Messi, as Messi was the best footballer in the world last season, is the best footballer in the world this season, and will be the best footballer in the world next season. And his performances across the season as a whole were simply far better than anyone else. Literally on a different plane.

If the Ballon d'Or is to just be awarded to a player from a team that won the Champions League then give it to anyone. It's not a measure of the best footballer anyway. You might as well give it to Nacho. I mean, he won the Champions League, so he must be better than Messi.

I personally do not understand why such awards now have to go to players who won trophies. That is what team trophies are for. Individual trophies are for individual performances, and Messi has been comfortably the best player in European football for season after season.

The fact that Ronaldo may after this year have won more Ballon d'Or titles than Messi is literally a travesty. The implication from this is that Ronaldo is the better player, whereas everyone who remotely understand football and is remotely objective knows that Messi is clearly the superior footballer, great player though Ronaldo is and has been.

In terms of who wins it out of Modric and Ronaldo...Modric isn't fit to lace Messi's boots, and Messi is significantly better than Ronaldo, so who cares who wins it out of the two of them?
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Are you Messi dad ?
 
It should always be between Messi and Ronaldo until they retire. Ronaldo deserves it again. He will get absolutely robbed if it's anyone else.
 


Ballon d'Or counting halfway through, podium as of now: 1. Luka Modric 2. Raphael Varane 3. Kylian Mbappe

Looks like Ronaldo-Messi duopoly will be broken by Modric :lol:
 
Peyroteo said:
Of course the WC matters, of course it matters a lot more than being good in September/October but if you follow the same logic then Perisic will finish ahead of Messi then.

It's not like Modric tore the World Cup apart Maradona style... he had two above average games. That was it.
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That's a stupid hyperbole, Modric can win it because he's a key player for a UCL winner and a WC finalist, those are the two things that puts him over Messi for example, UCL and WC performances trump League and Cup games, but Perisic doesn't have an edge, he scored for Croatia some clutch goals, but he wasn't a top 3 player on that team (people thought he did awful until ¿Semis?) and did nothing at continental level.

Perisic can't get above Messi for the same reasons Ronaldo doesn't have a lock on this trophy yet, you don't get a Ballon d'Or for scoring a bunch of goals in 3/4 key games on a whole season.
 
Kush said:


Ballon d'Or counting halfway through, podium as of now: 1. Luka Modric 2. Raphael Varane 3. Kylian Mbappe

Looks like Ronaldo-Messi duopoly will be broken by Modric :lol:
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Wow, no griezmann? Thought he was a lock to win it honestly
 
Varane over all the highest scorers in Europe? feck off.

They couldn't defend for shit domestically.
 
Trizy said:
Varane over all the highest scorers in Europe? feck off.

They couldn't defend for shit domestically.
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The world cup always takes priority as it should. The only time this stopped is when the award combined with the FIFA's World player of the year award.
 
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