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Yeah just a BBC NI journalist saying that May is doing a press conference at 5pm.
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Wonder what this is all about.
How is it their only option? It's a democracy so if the party (as a whole) disagrees with its direction then they should do something about it. If Corbyn is doing his own thing while his party want to do something else then they should feck him off...
Looking for a girlfriend I presume, seems like he found one.
No, the leave date can be extended. And the EU has deliberately placed ensuring the security of the single market and the Union above making any 'sensible' deal (relatively anyway).
Officially yes. Although it has softened. Look at McDonnell's shifting on the issue since 2016.
Yes. Basically.
Well that would be another option. If they haven’t fecked him off by now though...
They are polling at 40% while the lib dems are at 8%. Labour are doing a good job at holding together their voting base(They've increased they polling with younger voters since the last election).
JRM has clearly been watching house of cards recently. Operating straight out of Urquhart’s playbook.
So what happens now? I am terrified of the idea of Boris Johnson or any of his cronies being in power.
Indeed... This is why people get disenfranchised.
That's an outstanding conclusion to come to given how fecking awfully everyone agrees the Tories are doing.
Labour should be ten to twenty points up on the Tories, their being behind them is a damning indictment on Corbyn not a positive.
the referendum should have taken place AFTER the proposed deal was on the table, not before. no one knew what they were actually voting for. this whole thing has been an absolute farce.
They’re not forcing you to do anything. They’ve been trying to strike a deal with you for fecking ages. It’s the Uk’s inability to a) come up with an actual proposal and b) get parliament to agree to this proposal that is making no deal likely.
The clock started ticking when May invoked Article 50 and no deal was always on the cards from that moment. The fact it’s going down to the wire like this is 100% on the Uk government.
You weren't going to have a proposed deal before because unless article 50 was triggered the UK had a legal right to not only attend all meetings but have a say in the decisions.
Good twitter thread
Also if there's this massive support for remaining why is lib dems polling so shite ? Again saying labour should be x points a head is living in a fantasy land.
And losing Labour voters/politicians to the Lib Dems because they have a much clearer stance on Brexit will help only one party, the Tories.
Anyone thought of taking their finger off the self-destruct button? Looking on in disbelief.
They aren't losing any voters to the lib dems or at least not enough to off set the loses that would come from leave voting labour voters.
On the Lib Dem point surely a big factor is that they haven't been forgiven by the centre-left voters they had for the Coalition, and students haven't forgiven them for tuition fees. That and their record in Government was woeful - they didn't even propose same-sex marriage but left that to Cameron.
Yea I know, it was rhetorical. Decent summary tho
You have to admire JRM's determination to crash plus out. You would think he has money on the line.
Stats for lefties, huh? Guess that explains how shoddy their argument is, which seems based on everyone who voted Leave in 2016 holding the same opinion today/at the next GE.
Labour's position may be good politics (wait for the Tories to feck it up and then take power), but if we as a party actually have to implement our vague ideas of a 'jobs first' Brexit it will still feck the economy, albeit less so than May's plan.
Also we have now shifted to a pro-immigration stance after the Windrush debacle but many people voted leave due to immiigration. I am not sure how we as a party square that circle if and when we come to power.
Also we have now shifted to a pro-immigration stance after the Windrush debacle but many people voted leave due to immiigration. I am not sure how we as a party square that circle if and when we come to power.
No after being defeated in the commons a motion can be tabled for a vote of no confidence in the government and that requires a simple majority.
Suddenly your not feeling the whole facts and statics vibe anymore, that's odd.
“Stats” are useless if you don’t understand what they’re based on. The conclusion in that twitter thread being a great example of this.
Or, to quote an old lecturer of mine, they’re like bikinis... (you can guess the rest)
On the statistics line: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...100-pro-leave-constituencies-switch-to-remain
I don't think Corbyn is the reason people are disenfranchised with politics, his staying power is probably a result of that disenfranchisement as they are sick of the long line of Oxford PPE graduates like Cameron, Miliband, Campbell, Hunt, Hague etc all the way back to Heath and Wilson as well as the press who cover them from Peston to Murdoch.
I'm not a fan of Corbyn's stance on the EU but in general he's still refreshingly honest and unwavering for a modern politician.
Me too, but I could honestly see Johnson being so brass necked that as PM he stops brexit. Nothing would surprise me with him.
This this this! Infuriating seeing twitter folk congratulating him for his principled stand.
More speaking for myself tbh. I've never been that enamored by politics and politicians (think most are useless, corrupt and/or dishonest), and as time goes by they compound my beliefs... Hear it a lot in my casual convos too.
Edit: A guy just said pretty much the same thing on the news segment I'm watching
Yup that's the biggest issue
I firmly stand behind Labours decision as anything else would have ended up with votes going to UKIP, however, at some point Labour leave voters are going to get betrayed it's just hitting the right time so that a lot of them have been turned and understand why.
I'm sure the shadow cabinet are hoping a cross-party push for a second vote forms so it never has to be official party policy.
A view from 'the enemy' - May has misunderstood Brexit. In her head, all you have to do is end freedom of movement, and that's it. While it's true immigration was a part of it for some people, for others (like myself), sovereignty was the biggest part. And I think most Brexiteer MPs think the same. Hence why this deal she's got is so unpalatable.
You really think Corbyn and Labour have been in anyway honest throughout the major issue that has dominated his tenure?
When pressed they've essentially taken the same ambiguous nonsensical position on Brexit as the Tories 'we'll get a deal that protects British jobs and workers whilst fulfilling the democratic mandate to Leave' when in reality any such deal would fail their own nonsensical '6 tests'.
About 80% by my estimation.
The Lib Dems
Voting for the Lib Dems under Cable is such a vacuous, nothing vote. They wouldn't get anything done, they couldn't even get PR/AV when in government. Useless. Don't mind a socialist Labour party but Corbyn's views on Europe really requires a split. Same with the Tories. FPTP has produced these hodgepodge parties which only work when they stay centre/centre-right like under Blair and Cameron. Neither party can or is doing that.
Then again I have a viable third option where I am, which can't be said for the majority of the electorate.
Then again I have a viable third option where I am, which can't be said for the majority of the electorate.
So the bigger part was something that you were never going to gain from brexit because you didn't lose it?
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