Your not reading my post.
She was using the idea of no brexit as way to make your deal look more favourable(Trying to scare leave voters into liking her deal), she wasn't saying it's something that the she might actually do.
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Your not reading my post.
She was using the idea of no brexit as way to make your deal look more favourable(Trying to scare leave voters into liking her deal), she wasn't saying it's something that the she might actually do.
You originally said “no one can or will do” I was merely demonstrating that it very much can be stopped, and that Theresa May is clearly aware and clearly knows it’s a card she can play.
Obviously whether it will or not we will discover in time. When her deal doesn’t go through parliament I don’t see where the country can go other than a second referendum? With three options. However I am happy to be corrected on that as I am by no means an expert lol.
Where do people see this going now?
Anyway this was pointless discussion.
She literally listed it as one of three potential outcomes, so yeah she was saying it could happen. Whether it’s to scare leavers or not is another thing.
Well, that’s not a very nice thing to say, is it?
I personally enjoyed our little debate on a lovely Saturday morning, and I hope you have a delightful day.
what the feck do you think is going to happen in the event of Tory Brexit or no deal?We are.
General mood... I dunno
A lot of people want to leave regardless
More people didn't vote before than voted either leave or remain... I suspect a good chunk of those don't want a 2nd referendum and still don't care
Doubt we'll have a recession if the fudge goes through, more slow growth.
That’s okay, pal.We suffer from labour divisions rather than conservative...
Northern Ireland becomes a far bigger problem as he's not exactly seen as neutral on the issue
The pound probably crashes to parity or lower with the euro
The corbynistas Blame Blair
And Satan skates to work
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Isn't it technically a recession if your GDP is negative? That's what most economists are predicting aren't they?
For you and us.
Experts are predicting a global recession in 2020 among many other things.
If the fudge goes through it's a soft Brexit with us still locked into the CU and SM for an undetermined amount of time.
There's been a recession predicted 'within 4 months' if we hard Brexit but the UK economy has remained very resilient so far since the vote, against the majority of predictions (1.5% annual growth this year), so I don't see why that should change after the fudge, unless some broader global economic crisis occurs.
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There's always the potential for a riot in the UK. We've a long and proud history of civil disorder. But any "serious backlash" is only likely to come from the extreme and active right and there's feck all of them. Look at that UKIP protest outside Downing Street - two people.
The vast majority of those who voted Brexit are just peaceful law abiding citizens like everyone else.
'Serious backlash' will be over in the blink of an eye. As you say, it will be a minority of right wing extremists. It will be close to insignificant. Look at the pro-Brexit marches for a strength of feeling test.
Isn't the technical definition 2 quarters of negative growth... Which probably won't happen in 4 months
Yes for sure. The best of the worst.
The leavers can't even say they didn't get what they voted for, they're leaving the EU on 29th March. They don't seem very happy about it. Nor are the Remainers.
May was right, the country is now united, everyone is unhappy.
The alternative is brexit. The problem is that 85% of Westminster, the corporate banks & businesses, and the media don't want it. This is why May is being advised to deliver it in name only, but in reality keep things as they are. However, everyone knows (including leavers) that our current status in the EU is better than her deal. So now everyones frustrated with the situation. Labour and the Lib Dems would be right to reject her deal, because 'no brexit' is better than this deal. The EU realises that the UK government has no stomach for a no deal scenario, so they can now demand anything they want. They also know there is huge pressure mounting to force another vote, but this time they know that the british people have lost confidence in any shambolic government to deliver it, and this might tip the balance.
The will of the people is a flawed argument anyway seeing as nobody based their votes on facts. Both leave and remain had awful campaigns
I meant specifically wrt the great deal he thinks they can get.
It is but that's what an 'expert' claimed on Radio 4 the other day.
Actually how he votes or instructs his party to vote could lead him to be the one responsible to bring about a no deal brexit and he'll take the blame for the consequences which would serve him right for being even more useless than this Tory government.
Unicorns seem more likely than Corbyn as PM.
Perhaps gove was right... Maybe we have had enough of "experts"
Nah... Gove is never right... He's just a slimey pob
You can't say that. EU scepticism has been increasing for years. Cameron was forced to include the referendum in his manifesto in order to satisfy the UKIPers and get a majority government in the 2015 election.
Nobody knew what the leave processed actually involved. I'm fairly sure people thought right we will leave then 2 weeks later we'll have a fully funded NHS and everyone gets a fiver
I have to say I think a 2nd referendum is very unlikely
But... If there is one I can only see a binary choice on the ballot
If there is one I think it will be pitched as we are respecting the will of the people and we are leaving as promiced.
Option 1 leave accepting the deal on offer
Option 2 leave with no deal
As I say don't think there will be a vote anyway as it's not policy for either conservative or labour
But if there is I still don't think remain will be an option
But... If there is one I can only see a binary choice on the ballot
If there is one I think it will be pitched as we are respecting the will of the people and we are leaving as promiced.
Option 1 leave accepting the deal on offer
Option 2 leave with no deal
As I say don't think there will be a vote anyway as it's not policy for either conservative or labour
But if there is I still don't think remain will be an option
In the unlikely event of a second referendum of course remain would be an option.
What about the ECJ looking at Britain's potential right to unilaterally repeal Article 50. I've not heard to much about it, is it pie in the sky?
The EU would take us back in an instant, as it's in their favour to do so. The problem would be how to tell the British public that their decision is being overturned. There would be anarchy here, and I imagine a large number of people who voted remain would be very disturbed by it too. Many remainers would not have agreed with the vote, but they would have honoured the democratic decision.
In the end of the day, the issues that divide us need looking at to find some solutions or it'll never be resolved.
Does that even matter? I think regardless of that it would be in the EU's interest to keep the UK as a member.
Up until 29th March the EU would take the UK back under certain conditions. After that it would need reapplication.
I'm sceptical they'd take us back on the same terms as before.
Probably not, still better than all the other outcomes though.
One referendum is democracy, but another referendum isn't democracy?
The last general election came like a year after the last one... No one complained that that wasn't democracy.
Yeah I'm surprised people are still saying that. We picked that apart pages ago... It's bollocks.
McDonnell has u-turned on this. Before the party conference the Labour leadership was very much against a second referendum, and after great pressure from the rank and file to call for one they eventually weaseled a 'we're not ruling one out'. This morning on radio 4 he clearly said 'our preferred choice is a general election, but if not we want a second referendum. Could be different again next week though.
Would there balls be anarchy. Since when were the English supposedly this nation of revolutionaries? We put up with most things by doing nothing more than grumble when other nationalities would be out on the streets. Yet we’re supposed to believe that in the case of a second referendum millions of leavers whose deep political engagement with Brexit is generally summed up by ‘just get on with it’ are going to be rioting in the streets? Bollocks. There would be a few protest marches and lots of whining in the Daily Mail comments section and feck all else.
At the end of the day a second referendum is an added chance to have a choice. People aren’t about to burn down cities because they were given too much democracy.
The other problem is that the current malaise in the economy has a lot to do with Brexit uncertainty. If cancelling Brexit caused a bit of pressure to be eased off of people who are just about keeping their heads above the water (as most predict it might) then the idea they'll take to the streets is unlikely. People's lives getting better rarely leads to anarchy.
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Don't underestimate the seriousness betraying the will of the people.