UK can't agree to sign this deal. This could be humiliating.
Agreed but ironically, freedom of movement will continue under her deal unless she can figure out how to leave the SM & CU and still leave the Irish border invisible.
So, since this deal is written down as being the transitional deal until 20XX, unless both parties agree to a new deal.
Does it mean that for the next 80 years, the UK has to accept every ruling of ECJ and new standards set by european lawmakers? If they sign it now, they can‘t just do a hard brexit on WTO rules 3 years down the road because surely the EU has no intention of agreeing to that? No exit clause for the UK here or did I miss something?
This smells like a deal that the EU would make with some heavily disadvantaged third countries from the developing world, where they set all the rules and get to keep all the earnings.
yes, its 585 pages long and can be downloaded from the UK government websiteIs there a simpletons guide to the pros and cons of the deal? Still can't find anything that breaks everything down without the waffle of one sided groups personal interests getting involved
Seems the cabinet's go to line of argument is that the British people are bored with Brexit and just want to get on with life. So, on the one hand, it is the most important decision for a generation, on the other hand people are just bored with Brexit and just want to move on? If this is true, then the British people will get what they deserve for being (a)pathetic.
The Conservative MPs who have suggested they will vote against May’s deal:
The opposition MPs who may support May’s deal:
- Lucy Allan
- Heidi Allen
- Richard Bacon
- Steve Baker
- John Baron
- Sir Bernard Jenkin
- Crispin Blunt
- Peter Bone
- Ben Bradley
- Suella Braverman
- Andrew Bridgen
- Conor Burns
- Bill Cash
- Maria Caulfield
- Rehman Chishti
- Sir Christopher Chope
- Simon Clarke
- Damian Collins
- Robert Courts
- Sir David Amess
- Philip Davies
- David Davis
- Sir Desmond Swayne
- Nadine Dorries
- Steve Double
- Richard Drax
- James Duddridge
- Iain Duncan Smith
- Sir Edward Leigh
- Charlie Elphicke
- Nigel Evans
- David Evennett
- Michael Fabricant
- Mark Francois
- Marcus Fysh
- Zac Goldsmith
- James Gray
- Chris Green
- Justine Greening
- Dominic Grieve
- Rob Halfon
- Trudy Harrison
- John Hayes
- Gordon Henderson
- Philip Hollobone
- Adam Holloway
- Ranil Jayawardena
- Andrea Jenkyns
- Boris Johnson
- Jo Johnson
- David Jones
- Daniel Kawczynski
- Pauline Latham
- Phillip Lee
- Andrew Lewer
- Julian Lewis
- Julia Lopez
- Tim Loughton
- Craig Mackinlay
- Anne Main
- Scott Mann
- Esther McVey
- Stephen Metcalfe
- Sir Mike Penning
- Nigel Mills
- Damien Moore
- Anne-Marie Morris
- Sheryll Murray
- Neil Parish
- Priti Patel
- Owen Paterson
- Mark Pritchard
- Dominic Raab
- John Redwood
- Jacob Rees-Mogg
- Laurence Robertson
- Andrew Rosindell
- Lee Rowley
- Grant Shapps
- Henry Smith
- Royston Smith
- Anna Soubry
- Bob Stewart
- Hugo Swire
- Ross Thomson
- Michael Tomlinson
- Anne-Marie Trevelyan
- Shailesh Vara
- Martin Vickers
- Theresa Villiers
- John Whittingdale
- Bill Wiggin
- Sarah Wollaston
- Caroline Flint (Lab): “if a reasonable deal is on the table, the question for my Labour colleagues is why wouldn’t you support a deal?”
- Kevan Jones (Lab): “I would not support no deal because that would be disastrous both for my constituents and the country.”
- Stephen Lloyd (Lib Dem): “I also made a promise during the campaign that I would not support calls for a second referendum, and would support the final negotiated deal the Prime Minister brings back to the Commons.”
- John Mann (Lab): “At the moment no-deal is probably the most likely outcome, the idea that you can sideline and discount no-deal doesn’t seem to be very credible”
- Ruth Smeeth: “If the option is voting for the deal or voting for something that would mean no deal – well, I’m not prepared to vote for no-deal.”
- Gareth Snell (Lab): “I think the Labour Party has to be very careful that we are not unwittingly becoming the midwife to a no-deal Brexit baby, if by voting down the deal that comes forward the only alternative is crashing out next March with a no-deal.”
- John Woodcock (Ind): “But how exactly does parliament guarantee stopping no deal when a deal requires agreement from both sides, parliament is gearing up to reject what’s currently on offer and we are scheduled to leave on 29 March 2019?”And the opposition MPs who look set to disappoint Theresa May:1. Lisa Nandy (Lab) had been touted as someone who could back the deal. Speaking on Sunday, she ruled that out: ‘It’s inconceivable now that when this comes before Parliament in just a few day’s time that I’ll be voting for it. I won’t be voting to support the Withdrawal Agreement.’
William Hill are giving odds on (4/6) that she gets it through.
Some will come round of their own volition - especially if a 2nd ref risk grows. Some will have their arms twisted whilst others will be offered sweeteners - maybe even peerages.It feels like it would normally go through (despite being a despicable piece of shit agreement) because if it doesn't then we enter real Twilight Zone crazy town territory. I just don't see where she gets the votes from. So many MP's have publicly nailed their colours to the mast now, that they'd have to do a complete 360 and look like idiots to vote for it now.
I still hope it crashes and burns personally. It's high stakes poker, but there's still time for a second referedum.
Yeah that's a strange one. She refused to go head-to-head with Corbyn during the last GE campaign. Why would she want a debate now?Reports that May has challenged Corbyn to a debate over the deal which is very odd and sounds more and more like they're trying to paint it as a party issue and Labour blocking brexit. They've got an eye on a GE even if they've no plans currently to call one.
Bizarre if true. This put it perfectlyReports that May has challenged Corbyn to a debate over the deal which is very odd and sounds more and more like they're trying to paint it as a party issue and Labour blocking brexit. They've got an eye on a GE even if they've no plans currently to call one.
I disagree with your conclusion, Brexiters wouldve still voted for WTO in their droves, like lemmings piling off a cliff.The choice on the ballot paper should have read 'Leave the EU on WTO rules' or 'Stay'. No in-between because it is that and the range of views it covers which is causing all this trouble.
Had that been the case Farage and his merry men would have lost.
But at least it would have been more conclusive than this. There are 40 different ideas of what the people voted for.I disagree with your conclusion, Brexiters wouldve still voted for WTO in their droves, like lemmings piling off a cliff.
Bizarre if true. This put it perfectly
He's going to deliver Labour Brexit policy through a series of interpretive dances.Jezzer better start boning up on Brexit
Yeah that's a strange one. She refused to go head-to-head with Corbyn during the last GE campaign. Why would she want a debate now?
Bizarre if true. This put it perfectly
The Okey Cokey with emphasis on In-out in-outHe's going to deliver Labour Brexit policy through a series of interpretive dances.
Nick Timothy vs. Ollie Robbins.Let me get this right, the woman who was so bad on the campaign trail that they kept locking journalists in rooms so they couldn’t ask her questions is going to go head to head on TV with Corbyn? Has she lost her fecking mind?
Those are some proper Tory names aren’t they
She might not if there's a guarantee of keeping it on Brexit. She is well briefed and clearly has a position on that whereas Corbyn isn't and doesn't.Corbyn is relishing a debate with May. Bet she backs out.
Reports that May has challenged Corbyn to a debate over the deal which is very odd and sounds more and more like they're trying to paint it as a party issue and Labour blocking brexit. They've got an eye on a GE even if they've no plans currently to call one.
Corbyn could at last set out his master plan for a withdrawal that passes his six tests. Then we could just run it by Barnier, re-open negotiations and job done. What could possibly go wrong?Corbyn is relishing a debate with May. Bet she backs out.
I saw that article before and it's absolutely idiotic.
Do you mean the third ref? I think that's the second of the two-part referendum he says could happen, i.e. no deal or deal if leave won the first round.I saw that article before and it's absolutely idiotic.
he says "We’re heading for a second referendum – and maybe a third" and then makes no mention of it other than to say that a no deal brexit might not be a disaster. Whut?
She didn't want a debate for the GE but wants for brexit.
Hope Corbyn tells her to feck off.
You aren't really a traitor if you go to a briefing on a bill that'll be up for a vote in a couple of weeks.How many traitors will go?