UK can't agree to sign this deal. This could be humiliating.
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We’ve already humiliated ourselves. This whole situation is one giant ridiculous blunder.
The deal itself is a joke though, you’re right. It’s just us being beholden to the EU whilst not getting a vote and suffering unnecessary complications (see: Gibraltar). All having suffered years of uncertainty and worry to get there.
So, since this deal is written down as being the transitional deal until 20XX, unless both parties agree to a new deal.
Does it mean that for the next 80 years, the UK has to accept every ruling of ECJ and new standards set by european lawmakers? If they sign it now, they can‘t just do a hard brexit on WTO rules 3 years down the road because surely the EU has no intention of agreeing to that? No exit clause for the UK here or did I miss something?
This smells like a deal that the EU would make with some heavily disadvantaged third countries from the developing world, where they set all the rules and get to keep all the earnings.
Does it mean that for the next 80 years, the UK has to accept every ruling of ECJ and new standards set by european lawmakers? If they sign it now, they can‘t just do a hard brexit on WTO rules 3 years down the road because surely the EU has no intention of agreeing to that? No exit clause for the UK here or did I miss something?
This smells like a deal that the EU would make with some heavily disadvantaged third countries from the developing world, where they set all the rules and get to keep all the earnings.
Wasn't the simple solution to that to leave Northern Ireland in the SM and CU and take Britain out of it?
Theres no deal she could make that would please everyone, the DUP wouldn't be happy but when are they ever.
Even if UK is a WTO member, for what I have been reading lately, is not that simple. It will depend on the agreement with the EU and the acceptance of the other member. One member is Russia, that took a lot of years to be able to get in because UK was very demanding *(rightfully or not)
Someone in the thread could give information about UK and WTO tariffs after brexit?
yes, its 585 pages long and can be downloaded from the UK government website
Seems the cabinet's go to line of argument is that the British people are bored with Brexit and just want to get on with life. So, on the one hand, it is the most important decision for a generation, on the other hand people are just bored with Brexit and just want to move on? If this is true, then the British people will get what they deserve for being (a)pathetic.
Indeed. When one of the most common answers to the political direction of the country is ‘just get on with it’ then it’s hard to have sympathy for a shit result.
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William Hill are giving odds on (4/6) that she gets it through.
It feels like it would normally go through (despite being a despicable piece of shit agreement) because if it doesn't then we enter real Twilight Zone crazy town territory. I just don't see where she gets the votes from. So many MP's have publicly nailed their colours to the mast now, that they'd have to do a complete 360 and look like idiots to vote for it now.
I still hope it crashes and burns personally. It's high stakes poker, but there's still time for a second referedum.
Some will come round of their own volition - especially if a 2nd ref risk grows. Some will have their arms twisted whilst others will be offered sweeteners - maybe even peerages.
A 2nd referendum would be good because I think the result would be reversed. However, it would divide this country for a generation and may even lead to civil unrest. There are labour voters in the North and North East who have been sold the notion that the only hope of their regions ever becoming prosperous again is if we leave the EU.
The choice on the ballot paper should have read 'Leave the EU on WTO rules' or 'Stay'. No in-between because it is that and the range of views it covers which is causing all this trouble.
Had that been the case Farage and his merry men would have lost.
Reports that May has challenged Corbyn to a debate over the deal which is very odd and sounds more and more like they're trying to paint it as a party issue and Labour blocking brexit. They've got an eye on a GE even if they've no plans currently to call one.
Yeah that's a strange one. She refused to go head-to-head with Corbyn during the last GE campaign. Why would she want a debate now?
I disagree with your conclusion, Brexiters wouldve still voted for WTO in their droves, like lemmings piling off a cliff.
But at least it would have been more conclusive than this. There are 40 different ideas of what the people voted for.
Jezzer better start boning up on Brexit
He's going to deliver Labour Brexit policy through a series of interpretive dances.
These are odd moves by May. Talking to the public, offering Jezzer out. Either she's thought this through like a 4d chess player or her cheese has done gone and slipped off her cracker.
I'd assume because they know it corners Corbyn, she's been trying to do the same at PMQs. Corbyn's line is you've not delivered on what you said so hand over to us but when it comes to pragmatic solution on the way forward he's stumped as he can't say second referendum (yet).
I've seen Stamer has come out calling for an extension but they'll argue whats the point as the EU have said that's it.
Labour will either have to keep up the charade and look as stupid as the leavers or back a people's vote and potentially get annihilated
Let me get this right, the woman who was so bad on the campaign trail that they kept locking journalists in rooms so they couldn’t ask her questions is going to go head to head on TV with Corbyn? Has she lost her fecking mind?
The Okey Cokey with emphasis on In-out in-out
Corbyn is relishing a debate with May. Bet she backs out.
Those are some proper Tory names aren’t they
She might not if there's a guarantee of keeping it on Brexit. She is well briefed and clearly has a position on that whereas Corbyn isn't and doesn't.
in fairness this will be comedy gold if this debate goes ahead, will also be extremely embarrassing for the UK.
Just been reading the comments against todays BBC Brexit article and its depressing how many think we can just leave with no deal and they'll be no major impact.
Wouldn't be shocked to learn that some of them are paid contributors.
Wouldn't be shocked to learn that some of them are paid contributors.
Yes its setting the stage to either force labour into a free vote on the deal or make them look to be putting party politics above the countrys needs
To be fair it would be piss poor telly but a fairly logical trap to set from the conservatives
the consistent line of attack would be - we are prepared to let each MP take the opinions of their constituents and vote in the interst of the country and the pople they represent - you are threatening MP's with deselection if they dont play party politics
to be hoest although its at best a half truth it would work well as a framing device... that said i cant see any debate without somebody wanting to represent leaving with a hard brexit view (mogg, borris, farrage etc) and somebody wanting to aggue the peoples vote (blair?) - and I cant see May or Corbyn being prepared to go into a 4 way debate
Corbyn could at last set out his master plan for a withdrawal that passes his six tests. Then we could just run it by Barnier, re-open negotiations and job done. What could possibly go wrong?
I saw that article before and it's absolutely idiotic.
he says "We’re heading for a second referendum – and maybe a third" and then makes no mention of it other than to say that a no deal brexit might not be a disaster. Whut?
She didn't want a debate for the GE but wants for brexit.
Hope Corbyn tells her to feck off.
Hope Corbyn tells her to feck off.
Do you mean the third ref? I think that's the second of the two-part referendum he says could happen, i.e. no deal or deal if leave won the first round.
The only way I see this getting through parliament, outside a second ref, is May going "feck it, we'll stay in the EEA".
She needs to debate it with her own party first. What a clown.
Why would he? As soon as he gets her off her pre-scripted answers, she’s fecked.
How many traitors will go?
You aren't really a traitor if you go to a briefing on a bill that'll be up for a vote in a couple of weeks.