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[Paul the Wolf]

IDS told Sky News that May had a good chance of getting her party back on board if she went to the EU and played hardball and told them: “This is serious. If you want a deal you’d better damn well step up to the plate.”

He should have been a comedian.

 

[Smores]

IDS told Sky News that May had a good chance of getting her party back on board if she went to the EU and played hardball and told them: “This is serious. If you want a deal you’d better damn well step up to the plate.”

He should have been a comedian.

I do wonder whether what they actually want is for the EU to do what the Tories do and mislead the public with vague statements on the backstop. The illusion is probably enough for some of them.

 

[sun_tzu]

IDS told Sky News that May had a good chance of getting her party back on board if she went to the EU and played hardball and told them: “This is serious. If you want a deal you’d better damn well step up to the plate.”

He should have been a comedian.

is he really the person who can advise about how to get the conservative party on your side... just a reminder from his wiki page

After months of speculation over a leadership challenge, Duncan Smith called upon critics within his party to either gather enough support to trigger a no-confidence motion or get behind him.[22] A no confidence vote was called on Wednesday 29 October 2003, which Duncan Smith lost by 90 votes to 75.[22] He stepped down eight days later, with Michael Howard being confirmed as his successor.

Duncan Smith became the first Conservative leader who did not lead his party in a general election campaign since Neville Chamberlain.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I do wonder whether what they actually want is for the EU to do what the Tories do and mislead the public with vague statements on the backstop. The illusion is probably enough for some of them.

is he really the person who can advise about how to get the conservative party on your side... just a reminder from his wiki page

I think he's deluded enough to actually believe what he says.

 

[Berbaclass]

Here’s one for the pessimists.

What comes with a worst case scenario of a hard Brexit?

What kind of damage can we expect?

 

[GloryHunter07]

Here’s one for the pessimists.

What comes with a worst case scenario of a hard Brexit?

What kind of damage can we expect?

You must be new to this thread.

 

[Fully Fledged]

is he really the person who can advise about how to get the conservative party on your side... just a reminder from his wiki page

I always thought his second name should have been Brian instead of Duncan.

 

[Berbaclass]

You mut be new to this thread.

I drift in and out.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Here’s one for the pessimists.

What comes with a worst case scenario of a hard Brexit?

What kind of damage can we expect?

The Apocalypse.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Here’s one for the pessimists.

What comes with a worst case scenario of a hard Brexit?

What kind of damage can we expect?

In 2008 the whole world suffered a terrible financial crisis. In 2019 the UK decided to have one all by themselves.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Here’s one for the pessimists.

What comes with a worst case scenario of a hard Brexit?

What kind of damage can we expect?

The BoE modeled the absolute worst case scenario. It included the a recession, a third of the value of property being wiped off, the collapse of the pound, the collapse of the monarchy and the rise of Corbyn led Leninist Communism in the UK.

 

[Berbaclass]

In 2008 the whole world suffered a terrible financial crisis. In 2019 the UK decided to have one all by themselves.

Surely the banks and financial institutions will be limiting their exposure to a degree though? Cause they kinda know it’s coming. Which is funny because they kinda also knew in advance in 2008.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

The BoE modeled the absolute worst case scenario. It included the a recession, a third of the value of property being wiped off, the collapse of the pound, the collapse of the monarchy and the rise of Corbyn led Leninist Communism in the UK.

Which is why you would expect more from the "grown-up" party in the Conservatives but their infighting is leading to this.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Surely the banks and financial institutions will be limiting their exposure to a degree though? Cause they kinda know it’s coming. Which is funny because they kinda also knew in advance in 2008.

They're making preparations but they still don't know if it's really coming because the Uk still haven't really decided if they are actually going to commit suicide.
What concerns me more is how the country functions because people still think that Project Reality is scaremongering.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

They're making preparations but they still don't know if it's really coming because the Uk still haven't really decided if they are actually going to commit suicide.
What concerns me more is how the country functions because people still think that Project Reality is scaremongering.

Of coarse it's bloody scare mongering.
And even if it wasn't, no one here has a clue what will actually happen.

This thread is so funny at times.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

Of coarse it's bloody scare mongering.
And even if it wasn't, no one here has a clue what will actually happen.

This thread is so funny at times.

That's not true at all. There are plenty of people who have some clue of what's going to happen and have created projections based on it.

 

[Cheesy]

That's not true at all. There are plenty of people who have some clue of what's going to happen and have created projections based on it.

Away with your projections and facts!

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Of coarse it's bloody scare mongering.
And even if it wasn't, no one here has a clue what will actually happen.

This thread is so funny at times.

It is not scaremongering. You won't be convinced until it actually happens and hope for your sake you don't have to find out.
If the UK leave with no deal whatsoever there is no way of escaping the eventual consequences of what you have done.
There are people who actually know what they are talking about

It can't be proved but if it does happen do you promise to beg my forgiveness for doubting. I'd send you a food parcel but there's no guarantee it would ever reach you.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

That's not true at all. There are plenty of people who have some clue of what's going to happen and have created projections based on it.

It is totally impossible to project how the EU would respond if the UK was united in accepting a no deal scenario. Everything I have seen here are opinions based on what they *think* would happen, and what they *think* the consequences will be.

Pretending to be an authority on the unknown is what newspapers major in.

 

[RedSky]

Away with your projections and facts!

He almost sounds like..... AN EXPERT! Away Devil!

 

[Classical Mechanic]

The BoE model that made all the headlines was the absolute worst case scenario which would be extremely unlikely to ever happen even with a hard Brexit. That's why it was heavily caveated, not least with 'this is not a projection'.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

It is not scaremongering. You won't be convinced until it actually happens and hope for your sake you don't have to find out.
If the UK leave with no deal whatsoever there is no way of escaping the eventual consequences of what you have done.
There are people who actually know what they are talking about

It can't be proved but if it does happen do you promise to beg my forgiveness for doubting. I'd send you a food parcel but there's no guarantee it would ever reach you.

It won't happen because it won't pass through the commons. It's fun watching you guys propheseying doom and gloom, though.

 

[Smores]

Here’s one for the pessimists.

What comes with a worst case scenario of a hard Brexit?

What kind of damage can we expect?

As long as you don't have a house, job, pension or any other investments you'll be fine.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

He almost sounds like..... AN EXPERT! Away Devil!

Oh no. Say the current buz word. "Extremist".

 

[Paul the Wolf]

It won't happen because it won't pass through the commons. It's fun watching you guys propheseying doom and gloom, though.

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I don't get this 'it won't pass through the commons' - there is an agreement on the table which won't cause an apocalypse. But there's no other deal available so if the existing deal is voted down the only choice is No deal or cancel Brexit.
Surely No Deal means No Deal.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

As long as you don't have a house, job, pension or any other investments you'll be fine.

And can live on nuts and berries.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

It is totally impossible to project how the EU would respond if the UK was united in accepting a no deal scenario. Everything I have seen here are opinions based on what they *think* would happen, and what they *think* the consequences will be.

Pretending to be an authority on the unknown is what newspapers major in.

It is not totally impossible to predict some minimum effects that could happen. Not at all impossible. And the minimum likely effects are going to make people's lives much harder.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

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I don't get this 'it won't pass through the commons' - there is an agreement on the table which won't cause an apocalypse. But there's no other deal available so if the existing deal is voted down the only choice is No deal or cancel Brexit.
Surely No Deal means No Deal.

Labour are only interested in toppling the government. They wouldn't back any deal that divides Tories.
No deal is an option, but no one will back it, and the EU know it, so they can demand what they like.

We are heading for a second referendum, that is what I think is going to happen.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

It is not totally impossible to predict some minimum effects that could happen. Not at all impossible. And the minimum likely effects are going to make people's lives much harder.

True. There's nothing wrong in predicting what might happen, but all factors have to be taken into consideration, which doesn't happen.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Labour are only interested in toppling the government. They wouldn't back any deal that divides Tories.
No deal is an option, but no one will back it, and the EU know it, so they can demand what they like.

We are heading for a second referendum, that is what I think is going to happen.

Yes I agree Labour is only interested in toppling the government and won't back any deal - their idea of a deal is even more fantasist than the Tories.

I don't suppose anyone wants No Deal apart from the fanatics but even if there were another referendum or even a GE the three choices of No Deal, the existing offer or cancel Brexit will still be there and at some point a decision has to be made.

 

[Cheesy]

Labour are only interested in toppling the government. They wouldn't back any deal that divides Tories.
No deal is an option, but no one will back it, and the EU know it, so they can demand what they like.

We are heading for a second referendum, that is what I think is going to happen.

It isn't really an active option though - it's just nothingness. What it means is we leave without having reached any agreements on key matters, which is inherently fecking stupid when we'll have to make new trade deals etc without having any contingency plans in place.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

If the EU was told there is going to be no deal, the other member states would put pressure on the EU to make concessions. But with the UK unable to accept no deal, the EU can sit back and watch our miserable wretches beg them for a deal.

 

[Cheesy]

If the EU was told there is going to be no deal, the other member states would put pressure on the EU to make concessions. But with the UK unable to accept no deal, the EU can sit back and watch our miserable wretches beg them for a deal.

I'm not sure they would.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

If the EU was told there is going to be no deal, the other member states would put pressure on the EU to make concessions. But with the UK unable to accept no deal, the EU can sit back and watch our miserable wretches beg them for a deal.

You sound like IDS. The EU are not going to back down on the 4 freedoms or the Irish border. I've no idea why you should believe this.

 

[Massive Spanner]

If the EU was told there is going to be no deal, the other member states would put pressure on the EU to make concessions. But with the UK unable to accept no deal, the EU can sit back and watch our miserable wretches beg them for a deal.

You're assuming those other members see the UK as being important .

Even Ireland haven't asked the EU for concessions and we are totally fecked too if there's no deal.

 

[GloryHunter07]

If the EU was told there is going to be no deal, the other member states would put pressure on the EU to make concessions.

Give us a deal or we blow our brains out.

Top strategy.

 

[Smores]

You sound like IDS. The EU are not going to back down on the 4 freedoms or the Irish border. I've no idea why you should believe this.

To be fair he also determinedly stated multiple times that we'd start trade talks last October. That's the interesting thing about threads this long, when you arrogantly mock posters your own post history better look damn good.

 

[Cheesy]

To be fair he also determinedly stated multiple times that we'd start trade talks last October. That's the interesting thing about threads this long, when you arrogantly mock posters your own post history better look damn good.

It's always fun to trace how Brexiteers have adapted their arguments throughout the process. Gradually this has gone from something with the potential to transform the UK for the better to something that won't quite be as disastrous as everyone's making out.

 

[Barca84]

We aren't a United Kingdom and never have been. We are England and a bunch of invade and conquered other countries.

Basically we just don't play well with others.

This is a wholly inaccurate picture of the relationship between England and Scotland which, despite what Trainspotting fans tell us, was never a colony and was a willing and fully engaged partner in empire in order to further it's own colonial desires. The idea that Scotland was a colony is a nationalist myth perpetuated for obvious reasons and in fact contributed more, per capita, to the expansion of empire than the English did. The Scots were at the very heart of it.

 

[Cheesy]

This is a wholly inaccurate picture of the relationship between England and Scotland which, despite what Trainspotting fans tell us, was never a colony and was a willing and fully engaged partner in empire in order to further it's own colonial desires. The idea that Scotland was a colony is a nationalist myth perpetuated for obvious reasons and in fact contributed more, per capita, to the expansion of empire than the English did. The Scots were at the very heart of it.

Most reasonably-minded Scots (even those supportive of independence) accept this and accept we were heavily involved in slavery etc. It's only really a small minority who try to pretend that it wasn't the case.