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This is all David Cameron's fault.
This is all David Cameron's fault.
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You guys really fecked up, didn't you
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How is possible that politicians from 27 different countries, cultures, languages, INTERESTS, etc can be more united, go as a block and get their shit together than 1 party from 1 country?
Genuinely think Corbyn is playing the game. I could see him switching his stance on a second referendum in an instant if he became PM.
Been a shit show for the last decade. Yet many continue to vote for them.
Been a shit show for the last decade. Yet many continue to vote for them.
You didn’t answer the question.
A man with a face you just wouldn't stop slapping.
He also ignored the question I asked him, to which I would appreciate a response.
Nonsense. I guess we’ll know by this time tomorrow.
That said, a second referendum would be an utter disaster.
Yes I did. The original vote was "out of everything", then seek a trade deal if possible.
The discussions here while leading up to the referendum were all bout whether or not the UK could achieve a trade deal if we voted out. Remember?
The arguments were all about what incentive the EU would have if we left. The reality now is all about what percentage of leaving is possible.
Why?
Guessing once significant renegotiation is ruled out by the EU parliament will pivot to debating withdrawing article 50 or another referendum.
May will have to go and likely be a GE too.
May will have to go and likely be a GE too.
Problem is they are taking the country with them.
Coming next: A referendum to leave NATO.
Hey, why not? Another 350 million per week for NHS would be brilliant!
Hey, why not? Another 350 million per week for NHS would be brilliant!
The EU won't renegotiate but it's only a soft brexit that can pass parliament. Just bin the whole thing ffs!
The prime minister’s spokesman told journalists:
We want to identify what would be required to secure the backing of the House consistent with what we believe to be the result of the referendum.
We want to leave with a deal and we want to work with others who share that.
The spokesman declined to be drawn on whether the talks would include Jeremy Corbyn. On this point he said:
Let’s not pre-empt talks before they have happened. We will look to engage widely with people we believe share our objectives.
We want to identify what would be required to secure the backing of the House consistent with what we believe to be the result of the referendum.
We want to leave with a deal and we want to work with others who share that.
The spokesman declined to be drawn on whether the talks would include Jeremy Corbyn. On this point he said:
Let’s not pre-empt talks before they have happened. We will look to engage widely with people we believe share our objectives.
That's pocket change. Imagine the 500 million per day we could save if we just leave Earth!
Because red unicorns are real while blue ones are not.
Can someone explain why she originally delayed the vote?
We’d have to have a referendum on that. Imagine it; those bloody aliens coming down here through our sky borders, living amongst us, taking our jobs. Earth morons would unite and vote for us to leave earth.
Meanwhile in the whitehouse, trump is picking a Twitter fight with the martians
So she could turn the charm on and either win people over to back her deal or at least massively reduce the size of the loss...
It’s not a question that the general public can, or should answer.
And what would the question be? A three-way vote, an unclear leave/remain vote? If no deal is on the ballot you leave the insane possibility that the British people could vote for economic disaster, and food and medicine shortages.
If a form of leave won a second vote, I think it would be an utter disaster. And I think some sort of leave campaign would be more likely to win. The leave campaign would;
1) Have even greater anti-establishment credentials, being able to claim that the politicians had betrayed the last vote.
2) Politicians and journalists have created even more of an anti-EU sentiment, with some of the nonsense around negotiation tactics, putting the blame on Tusk and Junker for the UK’s failings and lack of clarity.
3) Fall back on all of the lies they made at the time of the last vote. See how the likes of David Davis have spoken utter nonsense after leaving the cabinet, completely ignoring that he’s lead the majority of the negotiations.
Had to clarify what would happen in the event of a no deal brexit - can People in the UK still play Euromillions or not!?
No they weren't - but the withdrawal agreement is not a trade deal - it is a means of getting to the next stage to then start discussing a future deal from April onwards but that's now been rejected.
The motion was as follows:
Should Parliament vote down a Tory Brexit deal or the talks end in no-deal, Conference believes this would constitute a loss of confidence in the Government. In these circumstances, the best outcome for the country is an immediate General Election that can sweep the Tories from power. If we cannot get a general election Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote. If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.
There's very little wiggle room only on the timing. They may hold out for the next round of failure but at some point soon they'll need to call for an extension to allow for a referendum to happen. I'd give it 3 weeks before Corbyn faces a leadership challenge if one isn't put forward.
The talk on this seems to suggest a referendum will easily get through parliament but i doubt it will. I can see a significant number of Labour rebels going against it.
What a disaster.
What happens now, new referendum?
What happens now, new referendum?
That tosser Burgon said similar on the BBC.
I guess that allows them to give the impression that they’re trying to do something, without ever actually having to come close to voicing a difficult opinion? C*nts.
Surely she'd have to prepare for that before any vote to begin with?
I thought it was done so she can still be PM a bit longer, before fear mongering as she pushes it closer to the exit deadline.
Not sure if was posted already
What a disaster.
What happens now, new referendum?
A no deal crash out is far, far more likely.
What a disaster.
What happens now, new referendum?
Can't see it unfortunately. Labour just want a GE. Tories want some sort of a deal. No one is pushing for another referendum .
People's vote please.
Also David Lammy 4 PM.
Also David Lammy 4 PM.
Nonsense.
At the time the discussions were about whether or not a free trade deal was possible while rejecting the other principles.
The fact that Corbyn can't win a vote of no confidence in a government this bad, means that he's the one who needs to resign more than May.
Not sure if was posted already
Oh and May's slipped and the Northern Irish back-stop is in here
Well at least May won something
What was Cameron’s defeat?
What a disaster.
What happens now, new referendum?
Ultimately, the House will have to decide what's worse - No Deal or a 2nd Referendum.