There's no guarantee either way, but a second referendum would open a whole new can of worms. Safe to say the country will remain divided through any outcome.
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There's no guarantee either way, but a second referendum would open a whole new can of worms. Safe to say the country will remain divided through any outcome.
*There'd be media-wide calls of 'TREASON!' & calls for mass resignations if any but the party of the establishment were in power.
*Seeing as just about every election appears subject to manipulation these days, we shouldn't be surprised.
Had the latest forecast through from the financial markets team at the bank I deal with at work. They now have it at 55% no brexit, 5% no deal, 40% transitional withdrawal deal of some kind.
That is an amicable solution. Anything else, and it is either a no-deal or an agreement that disadvantages the UK even more. You can not leave the EU and hope that you will get the same benefits as when you were a member. That level or expectation is rather childish.
Where's Nigel Farage these days?
5% No deal? that's the default if parliament can't sort themselves out. They think parliament is going to sort themselves out? Wow!
I am a Corbyn supporter, but his decision to table a no confidence motion is baffling to me. There is no way on earth that he is going to win. The Tories won't oust themselves and the DUP will clearly support the Tories. I think he has well and truly got this wrong.
She put him up to it; he had to.
Please can we stop allowing Barry Gardiner on TV?
They didn't play anything. They did their jobs to minimise the damage and at the same time tried to accomodate as many of Britains requirements.
If they had wanted to play hardball there would have been no deal on offer. Stay or leave would have been the 2 options.
I support votes for 16 year olds in general. The immature and the idiots probably won't vote anyway, but for those that think about the world and consider things seriously I think it would be a good thing.
The reaction of the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker ;full statement:
"I take note with regret of the outcome of the vote in the House of Commons this evening. On the EU side, the process of ratification of the withdrawal agreement continues.
The withdrawal agreement is a fair compromise and the best possible deal. It reduces the damage caused by Brexit for citizens and businesses across Europe. It is the only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
The European commission and, notably, our chief negotiator Michel Barnier [have]has invested enormous time and effort to negotiate the withdrawal agreement. We have shown creativity and flexibility throughout. I, together with president Tusk, have demonstrated goodwill again by offering additional clarifications and reassurances in an exchange of letters with Prime Minister May earlier this week.
The risk of a disorderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom has increased with this evening’s vote. While we do not want this to happen, the European commission will continue its contingency work to help ensure the EU is fully prepared.
I urge the United Kingdom to clarify its intentions as soon as possible. Time is almost up."
"I take note with regret of the outcome of the vote in the House of Commons this evening. On the EU side, the process of ratification of the withdrawal agreement continues.
The withdrawal agreement is a fair compromise and the best possible deal. It reduces the damage caused by Brexit for citizens and businesses across Europe. It is the only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
The European commission and, notably, our chief negotiator Michel Barnier [have]has invested enormous time and effort to negotiate the withdrawal agreement. We have shown creativity and flexibility throughout. I, together with president Tusk, have demonstrated goodwill again by offering additional clarifications and reassurances in an exchange of letters with Prime Minister May earlier this week.
The risk of a disorderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom has increased with this evening’s vote. While we do not want this to happen, the European commission will continue its contingency work to help ensure the EU is fully prepared.
I urge the United Kingdom to clarify its intentions as soon as possible. Time is almost up."
They just think the appetite for no deal is so low that even a revocation of article 50 without a referendum is more likely. I don't know how they came to that conclusion!
Is this a troll attempt? How does one arrive at such a bad conclusion?
The appetite may be low for no deal but someone has got to take the decision to revoke A50 which is the most sensible solution , will that be May or a hard Brexit replacement of May or even Corbyn, I don't see it.
For the love of God, why doesn't Corbyn support a second referendum? What is wrong with everyone? It's so obvious that a second, informed referendum would not pass. And the reason that is so, is because this time the people would be informed, not lied to and understand what it is they're voting for.
It's such a simple platform to run on. Labour could win tomorrow if they switched to that track.
I just don't get it.
It's such a simple platform to run on. Labour could win tomorrow if they switched to that track.
I just don't get it.
I like those odds!
It's not the EU who held a referendum which they ended up losing, it's not the EU who voted leave, it's not the EU who negotiated a deal it couldn't even remotely get it's own party behind. The truth doesn't lie in the middle here. Every bad thing that happened and will happen to the UK regarding Brexit is 100% their own voters and politicians fault.
I wouldn't be so sure on remain winning. I'm massively in favour of remaining, however the amount of people I hear talking about the subject, the majority want us to leave and get it done now.
Yes. Yes it is.
Wonderful job she did.
As someone without a deep understanding of this, what realistically happens now? Have always felt we're trudging towards a shambolic second referendum but is that even possible/legal?
Looks like an episode of The thick of it. May as Nicola Murray although she was labour I think.
Vote of no confidence will probably be defeated and then May has 3 days to present a new plan I think.
Feck knows what that will be.
No deal on schedule is still possible.
A delay is possible but not easy
If there is a delay a renegotiation is possible but the EU will only agree to the same deal or one that includes a customs union and the like which will enrage Brexiteers.
If there is a delay a second referendum is possible
A revocation of A50 is possible but not likley
A general election is possible but not likely
So basically anything can happen at this stage
May will likely survive the no confidence vote when it's clear after her Brexit plan was shot down that the majority of MPs have lost confidence in the Government. All the Tories who voted against her deal should vote in favour of no confidence but they won't because they won't risk losing their cushy number in a general election if they don't have to.
What a disaster.
What happens now, new referendum?
Extra time.
They will postpone everything for the summer and everyone will keep fumbling with the ball.
What if the UK revokes article 50, and the next day after the EU accepts the revocation, the UK triggers again article 50? There you have it, two more years of negotiations!
Are you a member of the Tory party?
A better analogue is a divorce. You are asking for the divorce and you wonder why the other party is making it difficult for you in the settlement.
May will win the VONC, all of the conjecture around no deal i'm afraid isn't warranted, I strongly doubt it will be no deal but the course is now set. Any other result at this point is a very big risk. A general election will happen after the fact. The EU aren't exactly riding high right now.
VONC won't get up I very much doubt but I fear incompetence will continue until we fall out of Europe with no deal because nobody wants to be the one to push for a second referendum.
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Sunderland till I die?
I strongly agree that the incompetence will continue but I do disagree with the second referendum, not the least because I think it will simply result in another leave win. I think people are very unclear about this scenario, it's gone past the pale.
A second referendum could produce a stupid result again but I think it probably won't. A simple revocation of A50 (and we never speak of it again) is my preference.
Huh? There is no legal reason there can't be another referendum and the best possible deal has already been negotiated.
The majority of Labour voters are stupidly Brexiteers so he's in an impossible position.
Not that he's handling it very well, but he can't do much either way.
So what party is majority Remain?