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[matherto]

So what party is majority Remain?

None of them.

The members are but the constituents aren't/weren't in the election.

Therefore they're representing people that don't align with their own views whilst simultaneously having to represent the smaller mass of people that do agree with them.

 

[Striker10]

For the love of God, why doesn't Corbyn support a second referendum? What is wrong with everyone? It's so obvious that a second, informed referendum would not pass. And the reason that is so, is because this time the people would be informed, not lied to and understand what it is they're voting for.

It's such a simple platform to run on. Labour could win tomorrow if they switched to that track.

I just don't get it.

Who says the people that voted out didn't know what they were voting for? It sounds pretty clear to me. Here's the con. They never voted for a deal. A deal was never mentioned. So you get a remainer doing negotiations? You know what? Let's have another vote....cause we don't want a bad deal....

When we were brought into the EU, were the public told everything? Was everyone who voted informed? Did it go as planned? Let me ask you, when people were sold the idea were you told the borders would be open? I don't think people can understand the damage that's been done in various European countries. Research the damage.

No one says it would be easy. You DO need someone who can negotiate deals because the EU will not simply let us walk away. This is a project that's been planned before many people were even born. I don't think you can negotiate with them. What we're seeing is spin.

 

[CA_vampire]

They didn't play anything. They did their jobs to minimise the damage and at the same time tried to accomodate as many of Britains requirements.

If they had wanted to play hardball there would have been no deal on offer. Stay or leave would have been the 2 options.

If they wanted to play hardball the 2 options would be "go away" and "get lost".

The UK has been negotiating and making it hard for the EU for 40 years now. It's a bad marriage.

 

[berbatrick]

So what party is majority Remain?

Labour and Lib Dem (and SNP). But about a third of Labour supporters are leave-rs, and apparently so are a fair few of their seats.

 

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Theresa May is Martin Bain on transfer deadline day.

 

[GloryHunter07]

So what party is majority Remain?

None of them.

The members are but the constituents aren't/weren't in the election.

Therefore they're representing people that don't align with their own views whilst simultaneously having to represent the smaller mass of people that do agree with them.

I dont think the bolded bit is true.

The article below suggests 65% of Labour supporters voted Remain. Thats almost 2:1. Lib Dems and Greens also majority remain.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted

 

[Relfy]

Incredible to think that if Cameron hadn't of initiated the referendum in the first place, life would have carried on as normal and barely anyone would have noticed.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Incredible to think that if Cameron hadn't of initiated the referendum in the first place, life would have carried on as normal and barely anyone would have noticed.

That spineless little git should have been forced to stay and see the shit storm he created through.

 

[Massive Spanner]

The EU sat back and watched as the government became more and more divisive, and quickly saw that we would be the ones grovelling to them for a trade deal. The trade deal became more important than leaving, which set the tone for how the process would play out.

It's like saying to a person who's come to buy your car, " I must sell this car at any price".

Nah, that analogy doesn't work. It's more like you purposely crashed your car into someone and then expect them to fix it and pay for the costs for you. "Come on you dick, I caused this mess, you should fix it!"

 

[MoskvaRed]

I don’t get this idea that the EU have played a blinder in this process. What they have been is clear in their objectives, united and led by a serious negotiator in Barnier, unlike the shambolic, divided May cabinet with David “thick as mince” Davis as Brexit Secretary.

As for the Brexiteers, Farage was still trying to play the German car makers card on the BBC last night (the threat of no deal will make them desperate apparently) while Davis was saying we should go back to renegotiate (having done such a great job himself). I’d like to think these people have zero credibility now but sadly they still seem to have an audience.

 

[Barca84]

Incredible to think that if Cameron hadn't of initiated the referendum in the first place, life would have carried on as normal and barely anyone would have noticed.

Nope. There is widescale discontent in the UK. The referendum saw an expression of that rightly or wrongly aimed at membership of the EU. That discontent would have remained, referendum or not, and would have manifested itself in some way and at some point.

What is this "normal" life you speak of?

 

[LuisNaniencia]

I wouldn't be so sure on remain winning. I'm massively in favour of remaining, however the amount of people I hear talking about the subject, the majority want us to leave and get it done now.

Contrary to this, everyone I know that voted remain would remain again in a heartbeat. I know several leave voters who would now remain and none that would accept no deal.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

Theresa May is Martin Bain on transfer deadline day.

And she can't get Boris Rodwell off the books!

 

[P-Nut]

Contrary to this, everyone I know that voted remain would remain again in a heartbeat. I know several leave voters who would now remain and none that would accept no deal.

Yeah that's probably most likely true as well actually. I don't know of any remainers that have changed their mind to leave. Plenty that are fed up and want it over and done with, however if given the option to reverse the decision they definitely would.

 

[Berbaclass]

Where's Nigel Farage these days?

Drunk on Bombardier

 

[beedoubleyou]

Stop pretending he can negotiate a deal which passes his 6 tests and make a definitive stance as to what labours policy is going to be in respect of backing or not a second referendum and what they would stand on if he could force a ge.

You have to push through the process and explore every option. Trying a general election, pushing for an extension of Article 50 ect. Just ploughing ahead with a People's Vote is dangerous, if handled incorrectly, will be an even bigger failure. No way remain beats a 'Tell Them Again' campaign if they're too hasty.

To be honest, I woke up this morning and I've no idea how this can work now.

 

[sun_tzu]

You have to push through the process and explore every option. Trying a general election, pushing for an extension of Article 50 ect. Just ploughing ahead with a People's Vote is dangerous, if handled incorrectly, will be an even bigger failure. No way remain beats a 'Tell Them Again' campaign if they're too hasty.

To be honest, I woke up this morning and I've no idea how this can work now.

At the end of today he's exhausted the process
If he does not switch to supporting a second ref I wouldn't be surprised to see him face a leadership challenge and given the support for a second ref in the labour membership I think he would either be forced to switch policy or he might loose

 

[Melville Red]

Pointing out Corbyn is incompetent doesn’t mean someone is a fecking Tory.
The whole fecking lot of them are cnuts right now - including most of the labour MPs.

I think the above post sums up the current problems we have at Westminster.
Twats to the left, twats to the right, with a sprinkling of winkers making up the minor parties.

Now I honestly believe that May and the rest of them had no intention of leaving The EU. What we have seen is May putting forward a deal that she knew from the off would get rejected.
So what is on offer now? Going back and negotiating again? Well how many times has May and Barnier said that this is the best that can be done and that the deal is not open for re negotiation? So no new negotiations and apparently no one or very few MP’s want a no deal Brexit. So is a no deal Brexit a possibility? I would say no because that won’t get through parliament, article thirty will be put back and an impass in parliament will result in yet another referendum, with question do you want to leave with no deal or remain?

The result will be an overwhelming majority to remain. A waste of two and a half years millions spent on the farce and we the public have been taken for a laughing stock.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

And she can't get Boris Rodwell off the books!

"Will you be taking the lead at any stage in this mess you made?"
"No chance mate"

 

[beedoubleyou]

At the end of today he's exhausted the process
If he does not switch to supporting a second ref I wouldn't be surprised to see him face a leadership challenge and given the support for a second ref in the labour membership I think he would either be forced to switch policy or he might loose

Listening to John McDonald on the radio this morning, we could be another 2-weeks from anything happening.... I can't remember why, I've a very achy head today...

 

[Smores]

The fact she's still not reaching out to leaders of all opposition parties is a fecking disgrace.

Her own cabinet have told her its necessary and told her indicative votes are necessary but here we are with her sticking to her red lines and maintaining this is only a Tory party issue.

 

[rotherham_red]

It's not his fault the country is full of racists.

Yet again I have to point out that his only fault in this was his naivety in underestimating the stupidness of the British voting public.

He took what was decidedly a fringe Tory party issue and forced the rest of us to deal with the fallout. And then, when he fecked that up he decided to cower and hide himself away.

It's 100% his fault.

 

[TheGame]

Why oh why must we see the same shit from people like Boris, David Davis, Farage, JRM again claiming to know every solution when it just isn’t possible. Had JRM saying this morning that people didn’t vote for a deal yet one of Vote Leaves main pledges was to negotiate a better deal. Are there any fact checkers in the media to put these people right?

Trumpism at its best.

 

[horsechoker]

I don’t like those adverts he does for Renault during the football. That one where has his arm around the girls shoulders and says “some journeys are harder than others” with the girl looking all worried. Creepy, very creepy.

 

[Relfy]

Nope. There is widescale discontent in the UK. The referendum saw an expression of that rightly or wrongly aimed at membership of the EU. That discontent would have remained, referendum or not, and would have manifested itself in some way and at some point.

What is this "normal" life you speak of?

There is wide scale discontent but I don't think it would have developed into the scale that we see it today, I believe that the referendum put a huge wedge between people which intensified the split between the leave and remain camps. I can see that there still would have been calls for the referendum to take place, but I don't think the situation would have devolved into the mess it is now.

Well, 'normal life' could be a tricky one to explain depending on your views on what normal is. Perhaps its more accurate to say life would have carried on very similar to how it had been prior the referendum.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Why oh why must we see the same shit from people like Boris, David Davis, Farage, JRM again claiming to know every solution when it just isn’t possible. Had JRM saying this morning that people didn’t vote for a deal yet one of Vote Leaves main pledges was to negotiate a better deal. Are there any fact checkers in the media to put these people right?

Trumpism at its best.

Why? Because it's easy to say they could do better from the sidelines watching on without actually having to back it up and all their UKIP/Vote Leave/Gammon faced acolytes will lap it up.

I do agree that they need challenging every time and tbf I did see KGM on C4 last night do this a few times but it's certainly not happening enough.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

Why oh why must we see the same shit from people like Boris, David Davis, Farage, JRM again claiming to know every solution when it just isn’t possible. Had JRM saying this morning that people didn’t vote for a deal yet one of Vote Leaves main pledges was to negotiate a better deal. Are there any fact checkers in the media to put these people right?

Trumpism at its best.

These sorts of comments are the worst. He claims to know the intentions of 17m people when they simply ticked a box.

 

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[Smores]

Why? Because it's easy to say they could do better from the sidelines watching on without actually having to back it up and all their UKIP/Vote Leave/Gammon faced acolytes will lap it up.

I do agree that they need challenging every time and tbf I did see KGM on C4 last night do this a few times but it's certainly not happening enough.

I used to hate Sky News but at the moment they're the only ones who seem to actually challenge back. They do give far too much coverage to Tory MPs though imo.

 

[horsechoker]

Britain clearly prioritised eating a bacon sandwich elegantly over staying in the EU.

 

[Minimalist]

Ed was dreadful as a personality though (ironically seems quite sound post-politics now). Still always worth reminding fcuk face of that tweet for sure.

I think the last 10 years or so just show how poor British politics has been in terms of people that can actually lead parties and ultimately the country. So many dull, unlikeable people - even in the Labour Party that is supposed to represent the ordinary working class person.

 

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Britain clearly prioritised eating a bacon sandwich elegantly over staying in the EU.

Just a reminder that the Tories seem to often suffer from a bit of Trumpitis in that they forget their past statements are piss easy to find again nowadays. Also in the context of JRM's constant revisionism.

 

[Revan]

What if the UK revokes article 50, and the next day after the EU accepts the revocation, the UK triggers again article 50? There you have it, two more years of negotiations!

The EU will say feck off and refuse to negotiate. The deal from their point of view is done, UK can accept it, revoke article 50 or feck off without a deal.

UK has been acting like a brat child. No reason for EU to dance with them.

 

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Your next door neighbour trying to gently push your drunken rowdy self towards a sensible option with the patience of a saint
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0116/1023521-brexit-ireland-reaction/

Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney has said it is still unclear as to what the British parliament is looking for, following last night's rejection of the Brexit deal.

He said Ireland would not object if Britain asked for an extension to Article 50, but that such a request would have to be accompanied by a plan that allowed for an orderly Brexit.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Mr Coveney said that a withdrawal deal was still on the table and he did not believe the EU was in any mood to change it.

 

[Revan]

The best possible thing is IMO a 3-way referendum which would be:

- Brexit without a deal.
- Brexit with the current deal.
- no Brexit at all.

The deal is already negotiated, let the people decide if they want the deal, want a hard Brexit or want to remain now that they might be more informed.

If no Brexit at all doesn't get 50%+, then whichever of two Brexit options gets more vote, is declared the winner.

 

[Strachans Cigar]

In over 30 years of observing British politics, I can safely say the current Brexit situation is the biggest f**king shambles of the lot.

Corbyn & May are both inept.

Beginning to think Guy Fawkes had the right idea.

 

[TheGame]

Why? Because it's easy to say they could do better from the sidelines watching on without actually having to back it up and all their UKIP/Vote Leave/Gammon faced acolytes will lap it up.

I do agree that they need challenging every time and tbf I did see KGM on C4 last night do this a few times but it's certainly not happening enough.

The media needs to hold people accountable, the interviewers need to do their research and call people out on these lies.

 

[RedStarUnited]

Incredible to think that if Cameron hadn't of initiated the referendum in the first place, life would have carried on as normal and barely anyone would have noticed.

Billions wasted on his decision and yet he sits on various boards and probably still earns a pretty penny.

 

[Skills]

Deserves an ending like Mussolini

 

[Barca84]

There is wide scale discontent but I don't think it would have developed into the scale that we see it today, I believe that the referendum put a huge wedge between people which intensified the split between the leave and remain camps. I can see that there still would have been calls for the referendum to take place, but I don't think the situation would have devolved into the mess it is now.

Well, 'normal life' could be a tricky one to explain depending on your views on what normal is. Perhaps its more accurate to say life would have carried on very similar to how it had been prior the referendum.

I agree that the referendum has amplified the divisions within the UK. But they were there nevertheless, always have been, and are widening as the economic equality gap widens (I'm not necessarily blaming the EU for the this inequality just stating it as a precursor of the vote) I feel the vote has brought things to a head. If not this vote there would have been another protest manifestation of the legitimate and deep discontent in parts of the UK - for some discontent and the desire for change has been the norm and has been for decades. For those in the UK who have done well this is difficult to grasp and is fuel on the fire of division.