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Same old same old.
Guy comes into thread, guy talks like a leave voter, guy says at the very "oh b t dubz I voted to remain".
Only this guy somehow accidentally wrote down that he voted to leave.
"I'm one of you, you can't berate my opinions!"
Guy comes into thread, guy talks like a leave voter, guy says at the very "oh b t dubz I voted to remain".
Only this guy somehow accidentally wrote down that he voted to leave.
"I'm one of you, you can't berate my opinions!"
for me because English isn't my 1st language and when I think of the word I think of a wooden board then add er on the end and because spell check does not highlight it I don't notice - wont lie Ill almost certainly carry on making the same mistake
Piers Morgan does that all the time. He's constantly saying "I voted remain and I would again tomorrow, but we should leave because democracy etc."
He blatantly voted leave.
Why would he lie though? Its not like he likes to project a positive image of himself, rather his whole schtick is being the guy everyone loves to hate.
He's a Londoner too and in show business so its easy to see why he'd be a remainer..
It’s a sad indictment of the thread that people feel the need to qualify any statement that’s slightly against the grain with “I voted remain”
Some I'm sure although not the far right threat and terror on the streets that leavers like to hint at every chance they get.
It makes him look more balanced in the debate if he's a remainer backing no deal and brexiteer points of view.
Nothing large scale although I wouldn’t discount the possibility of some lone wolf carrying out an attack. I think you would see a big drop in voting turn out in some areas.
That grinds my gears no end.
What does May have to show her "plan B"?
Schengen entry point Visa I guess
Agreed. The far right really are very limited in numbers and capacity to cause anything large scale. We already have the Prevent scheme which is taking on increasing referrals of people vulnerable to far right radicalism. Those referrals were up 36% last year but to put that in some perspective that's 1312 people in a population of 66 million. Despite what the online debate looks like, and the extreme views of those who shout the loudest, the vast majority of people in the UK are, whether they are leavers or remainers, really quite moderate in their views. What you will see is a deepening disenchantment with the democratic process on the part of many who voted to leave and it'll be important that, if Brexit is canned, any legitimate discontent is acknowledged and addressed. There are communities that need fixing.
No it isn't, an indictment of people who don't have arguments to defend their opinions and pretend they're playing devil's advocate instead.
That says more about them than anyone else.
Sorry wasn’t having go at you as such, I know you’re not a native speaker. I keep seeing the same error when talking about the Irish border on various sources here, Twitter and Facebook.
They probably just won't vote again, but that would be for the best anyway. But at least the UK won't turn into some sort of Mad Max hellscape, where the majority of them die of starvation or due to a lack of necessary medicine. They'll be angry, they'll be disenfranchised, but at least they will be alive to feel like that.
I wish piers Morgan and his twin halfwit Katie Hopkins would leave the planet
I think it's often the case that most people will have certain views that are quite extreme, but which are balanced out at the same time. And those extreme views may be ones that reflect their thoughts, but which they aren't particularly passionate about. I know plenty of people who I've heard say fairly problematic stuff about immigrants etc but a lot of them say it casually and will also have plenty of immigrants they get along with. Although I would say you've got to be careful to avoid complacency - most far-right states probably aren't filled with people who're genuinely passionate about being on the far-right, but will instead have plenty of people who maybe have fascist sympathies and who therefore allow far-right people to get in the door even if they don't have majority support as such.
I guess it depends on your definition of extreme and what is right wing and far right wing thinking. It's my belief that the overwhelming majority of people do not hold views extreme enough, or with enough passion, to actively engage in civil disorder. In today's society those who want to use violence to achieve any sort of political aim or express political views are in a huge minority despite the best efforts of activists a la SYL to whip up mob frenzy.
I find it a lot more indicative of leavers behavior prior to, at the, and after the referendum. Preface lies with lies.
Edit: And yeah, i'm just going to say it. If you lie to me for three years straight, at some point you're going to be labelled a liar (royal you, not you @Steven Seagull ), and everything that comes out of your mouth (Boris, Jakob, Nigel) will be laughed at.
Same. They're so alike and I hate both of them.
I didn't vote Remain
People can post what they want but they need to back it up. I welcome arguments from Leavers as to why Brexit is a good thing. After 2.5 years, I have still yet to hear one.
Yup, though I tend to conclude that they voted leave.
Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, has said that other countries are to blame for the fact that the UK does not have alternative trade deals ready by 29 March to replace the existing 40 EU ones that will lapse if the UK leaves without a deal. Asked about this revelation in today’s Financial Times (see 10.57am), he said:
[The agreements are] not just dependent on the UK. Our side is ready. It is largely dependent on whether other countries believe that there will be no deal, and are willing to put the work into the preparations.
Britain has failed to finalise most trade deals needed to replace the EU’s 40 existing agreements with leading global economies and will not be close to doing so when Brexit occurs on March 29, according to an internal Whitehall memorandum.
The memo, compiled by civil servants as part of contingency planning for the UK crashing out of the EU without a formal Brussels divorce agreement, warned that most of the deals would lapse without a transition period that keeps Britain under the EU umbrella once Brexit occurs.
“Almost none of them are ready to go now and none will be ready to go by March,” said one government official who has seen the internal analysis of the Department of International Trade’s progress.
Being the only member of the Department of International Trade probably doesn't help old Foxy realise that you need to have an agreement with the other country in order to have trade deals. Takes more than one person to tango.
Brexit the tragi-comedy.
[The agreements are] not just dependent on the UK. Our side is ready. It is largely dependent on whether other countries believe that there will be no deal, and are willing to put the work into the preparations.
Britain has failed to finalise most trade deals needed to replace the EU’s 40 existing agreements with leading global economies and will not be close to doing so when Brexit occurs on March 29, according to an internal Whitehall memorandum.
The memo, compiled by civil servants as part of contingency planning for the UK crashing out of the EU without a formal Brussels divorce agreement, warned that most of the deals would lapse without a transition period that keeps Britain under the EU umbrella once Brexit occurs.
“Almost none of them are ready to go now and none will be ready to go by March,” said one government official who has seen the internal analysis of the Department of International Trade’s progress.
Being the only member of the Department of International Trade probably doesn't help old Foxy realise that you need to have an agreement with the other country in order to have trade deals. Takes more than one person to tango.
Brexit the tragi-comedy.
Brexit could be good thing if you are a manufacturer that intends to exports low to mid quality range goods, a deregulation of most markets will benefit you. It's also good if you want to turn the UK into a tax heaven. For normal people there are no benefits that are directly linked to the EU, most of the genuine issues that people currently have in the UK concerns local and national policies and adequate allocation/redistribution of resources and wealth.
To who exactly? There's no way we could compete with China/India in terms of production costs (energy, land and wages) or sourcing raw materials competitively. Then, in terms of logistics, the only trade partners we could have an advantage over China/India with is the EU. If we intend to export into the EU, we're going to have to abide by their regulations anyway.
There maybe some skirmishes here and there, from the right wing under the guise of Brexit, but it will soon die away. Its the reaction of the bulk of tory leave voters and the 40 odd percent of traditional labour leave voters that will be key. These groups are unlikely to take to the streets, but will, once they have found their new strength in opposition to the EU, organise themselves in voting blocks to effect normal elections and will try to fight tooth and nail against any perceived new EU rules which they feel are being forced on them. One target would be to force situations where HM Government gets in to difficulty in implementing EU laws and ultimately is hauled up before ECJ. How disrupting this will be is hard to assess, initially for maybe a year or more it will be more or less guerrilla warfare in British politics, but eventually it will fade away as long as the EU itself reforms and demonstrates to the despondent leavers that all they are doing now is cutting their noses off to spite their face. There will also have to be a big upsurge in EU assistance for improving Youth Employment across the EU, otherwise the Youth who wanted to remain, will start to think maybe their grandparents were right after all.
Brexit in my opinion will not happen, article 50 will not be delayed but cancelled, then everyone except our current crop of disgraced leading politicians will have a second chance, including those in the EU, to make things right. Lets hope that having come so close to the perfect storm, that the lights in Europe will go on again and everybody get a fair share.
We could never compete on price no matter how big the bonfire of regulations. And, in any case, that does not benefit the average person. As for a tax haven, that won’t work with 65m people. It would benefit a few at the cost of a breakdown of society. I fully agree that “Europe” is really a sublimated expression of anger at how dysfunctional modern Britain has become.
To anyone. An example is pallets, France is one of the main producers everyone needs them and the UK could be a big competitor if they put the correct regulations. You have used the term "we", but bear in mind that I'm alluding to few companies and individuals not the UK as a whole which I forgot to add when I edited my post.
Ok taking the pallets example, who do you see the UK undercutting France and exporting to?
The opposite would happen, if the UK deregulated they would become the dumping ground of the world. Not only could the UK manufacturers not compete with the cheap goods being imported, the Brexiters don't realise that other countries outside the EU also have standards which UK goods have to meet. They actually lose out all round.
Damn, im going to lose bbc channels with no deal. Based on this fact uk needs to remain in the eu.
Which BBC channels do you get? I don't get any, not that I particularly want to. Are you sure this is to do with the EU? I get Sky News.
The important difference is political, namely that there are probably the votes for it to pass through parliament and wouldn't require another referendum to implement. Brexiters wouldn't be overly happy and remainers (me included) would complain that we might as well stay in and preserve the influence, but it still seems to me the path of least resistance.