Im saying its the day before that happening - do you think any of the parties would start crossing their various red lines to get something through? Do you think if the leader did would the party follow?
Based on what historic data?We know the disastrous implication of a no deal brexit, how do you think reversing the referendum would end up being worse?
Based on what historic data?
Based on what historic data?
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.I don't think that you understand what the withdrawal agreement and the backstop are about. It's about your first sentence, about what happens between now and "in time". It has nothing to do with overturning the referendum.
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
You’re all going to march on Brussels no?"British people will remember these events". What the feck are we going to do?
This is big, isnt it?Labour calls for vote in Commons on holding second referendum
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-vote-in-commons-on-holding-second-referendum
As long as it’s a week in margateI think we should have a street party every year with bunting, cakes and tea. It shall be "Life after Brexit" day and anyone left who still has a job can have a holiday?
Labour calls for vote in Commons on holding second referendum
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-vote-in-commons-on-holding-second-referendum
Why? This is all a mess of our own making. Why trigger Article 50 if we had no idea how the feck we were going to solve these problems?No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
All that can be resolved in time. The referendum result is not going to be overturned. People need to get used to it. I hate it as much as most here. But it is what it is and now we have to make the best and move forward. As pointless as it may seem they should put a time limit on the backstop and then work their tits off to get the deal done before it ends. Stupid I know but this whole thing is stupid. Trying to reverse this will be more of a disaster for the UK than rolling with it now. I fear that some on here underestimate that.
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
Yes I am. It will be an anathema to the people who voted leave what ever way it is diced and as for the questions, well you tell me.Are you against a second referendum?
Yes I am. It will be an anathema to the people who voted leave what ever way it is diced and as for the questions, well you tell me.
It’s a disaster, but May’s deal with movement on the backstop is the best of all the shitty ideas.
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
This is big, isnt it?
This is going round in circles with the same old silly boy argument. It won’t solve anything. The eu agreed a WA, with some other arrangement on the backstop it passes parliament. If they are serious then bloody well talk about it. No deal is the default legal position and May won’t take it off the table. So Ireland needs to think about it.Are you for real? The point of A50 is that you can leave the EU. No one is stopping Britain, no one is punishing them. The only problem for Britain is that a) the EU isn't as bad as the leave campaign made it out to be, so they want to leave, but don't really want to leave and b) no one in Britain had any idea what Brexit actually means or what the majority can agree on, even two years of negotiations they still don't.
See the unicorns are still there
The cross-party group, supported by dozens of Labour MPs, posed five questions that it believes Corbyn’s Brexit model struggles to answer, escalating tensions between campaigners and the party’s leadership.
A 16-page evaluation placed Labour’s plan on a par with both the no-deal option supported by hard Brexit Tories and the Norway-plus customs union alternative, in that they were no better than pledges made by the leave campaign at the time of the EU referendum.
“All three alternative plans,” the analysis added “share many similarities with the arguments made for Brexit in 2016 when big promises were made with little regard for what could actually be delivered.”
This is going round in circles with the same old silly boy argument. It won’t solve anything. The eu agreed a WA, with some other arrangement on the backstop it passes parliament. If they are serious then bloody well talk about it. No deal is the default legal position and May won’t take it off the table. So Ireland needs to think about it.
I wonder what the situation would be if say the SNP won their referendum by 52 48 and the UK government with the Scottish labour and Tory parties were trying to reverse it. You reckon the Scots would take that lying down?Why? This is all a mess of our own making. Why trigger Article 50 if we had no idea how the feck we were going to solve these problems?
I wonder what the situation would be if say the SNP won their referendum by 52 48 and the UK government with the Scottish labour and Tory parties were trying to reverse it. You reckon the Scots would take that lying down?
It would be the solution that would be closest to passing. And by your yardstick what if there was a second referendum and leave won again. You’d have pissed off 17.4 million people to change nothing.You don't even know that if the backstop was changed , which it won't and can't be, it would pass parliament. It still probably wouldn't.
Yes I am. It will be an anathema to the people who voted leave what ever way it is diced and as for the questions, well you tell me.
It’s a disaster, but May’s deal with movement on the backstop is the best of all the shitty ideas.
This is going round in circles with the same old silly boy argument. It won’t solve anything. The eu agreed a WA, with some other arrangement on the backstop it passes parliament. If they are serious then bloody well talk about it. No deal is the default legal position and May won’t take it off the table. So Ireland needs to think about it.
the sense is that there was a referendum and however stupid we think the people who voted to leave are, the genie is out of the bottle and it won’t be put back. If they are fecked over I truly believe lives will be lost. But hey if that’s worth avoiding any economic hit then so be it eh. What will the questions be? Do you seriously think that 17.4 million people after having been called stupid for three years are suddenly going to admit the error of their ways and vote against leaving in some way.You still make no sense. Scotland doesn't have a border issue, they don't have an agreement to not have borders.
It would be the solution that would be closest to passing. And by your yardstick what if there was a second referendum and leave won again. You’d have pissed off 17.4 million people to change nothing.
the sense is that there was a referendum and however stupid we think the people who voted to leave are, the genie is out of the bottle and it won’t be put back. If they are fecked over I truly believe lives will be lost. But hey if that’s worth avoiding any economic hit then so be it eh. What will the questions be? Do you seriously think that 17.4 million people after having been called stupid for three years are suddenly going to admit the error of their ways and vote against leaving in some way.
I was pissed off with the result and like many considered the leave campaign to be lies. But looking at it in the round now I cannot see a way out. May’s deal as mad as it seems given the weight of the defeat is still the one most likely to get a majority. But it needs movement on the backstop. Now I hear all this lot chucking all the logic, law and 4 freedoms at me but something has to be done and it sure as shit is not reversing A50 or a 2nd ref. Nobody wants no deal but at this moment in time it is set in law and is the default position if no deal is struck. Ireland have overplayed its hand on this because a no deal brexit would be a far bigger disaster for them. So they need to soften up a bit. Agree a time limit - as bulshitty that may be it would be enough for the Brexiteers and the DUP. Then if May can do some deals with the opposition on workers rights and environmental law then she might get it over the line.At the start of this thread you actually suggested a second referendum, why has that changed?
And I can't tell you, I genuinely don't know what the disastrous implications you mentioned to be. That's why I asked, riots?
I was pissed off with the result and like many considered the leave campaign to be lies. But looking at it in the round now I cannot see a way out. May’s deal as mad as it seems given the weight of the defeat is still the one most likely to get a majority. But it needs movement on the backstop. Now I hear all this lot chucking all the logic, law and 4 freedoms at me but something has to be done and it sure as shit is not reversing A50 or a 2nd ref. Nobody wants no deal but at this moment in time it is set in law and is the default position if no deal is struck. Ireland have overplayed its hand on this because a no deal brexit would be a far bigger disaster for them. So they need to soften up a bit. Agree a time limit - as bulshitty that may be it would be enough for the Brexiteers and the DUP. Then if May can do some deals with the opposition on workers rights and environmental law then she might get it over the line.
So it is a Hotel CaliforniaSo what?
Brexit is an anathema to everyone else and clearly a disaster for Britain as a whole.
I was pissed off with the result and like many considered the leave campaign to be lies. But looking at it in the round now I cannot see a way out. May’s deal as mad as it seems given the weight of the defeat is still the one most likely to get a majority. But it needs movement on the backstop. Now I hear all this lot chucking all the logic, law and 4 freedoms at me but something has to be done and it sure as shit is not reversing A50 or a 2nd ref. Nobody wants no deal but at this moment in time it is set in law and is the default position if no deal is struck. Ireland have overplayed its hand on this because a no deal brexit would be a far bigger disaster for them. So they need to soften up a bit. Agree a time limit - as bulshitty that may be it would be enough for the Brexiteers and the DUP. Then if May can do some deals with the opposition on workers rights and environmental law then she might get it over the line.
I was pissed off with the result and like many considered the leave campaign to be lies. But looking at it in the round now I cannot see a way out. May’s deal as mad as it seems given the weight of the defeat is still the one most likely to get a majority. But it needs movement on the backstop. Now I hear all this lot chucking all the logic, law and 4 freedoms at me but something has to be done and it sure as shit is not reversing A50 or a 2nd ref. Nobody wants no deal but at this moment in time it is set in law and is the default position if no deal is struck. Ireland have overplayed its hand on this because a no deal brexit would be a far bigger disaster for them. So they need to soften up a bit. Agree a time limit - as bulshitty that may be it would be enough for the Brexiteers and the DUP. Then if May can do some deals with the opposition on workers rights and environmental law then she might get it over the line.
The EU have agreed a WA among the 27. In agreeing it and declaring the backstop temporary they must have a concept of how the border issue may be resolve with the final trade deal. Else why agree the WA.No.1 loser by far is the UK with no deal, not Ireland, even though it will be hit hard. The EU are never ever going to compromise the 4 freedoms so it's no deal then .
