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Maticmaker said:
What about all the extra Customs officer posts, Border Police and Port Authority Personnel posts, to handle the expected queues at Dover and the other expanding ports?
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If you lose 1000 jobs in the hospitality sector and then employ 100 people to check this sector, if they follow the regulations, out of the taxpayers money. Do you think that is an economic win situation?

I have a bridge to sell you, but you are apparently already paying down on a few of those...
 
Maticmaker said:
What about all the extra Customs officer posts, Border Police and Port Authority Personnel posts, to handle the expected queues at Dover and the other expanding ports?
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They will only be needed on the incoming side because we'll be manufacturing sod-all that anyone wants to buy.
Stick said:
So roughly for one company that could equate to the loss of about 7000 jobs. Christ that is bleak.
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At least. As I said that's just the exhaust system supply chain. You've got the body works, chassis, interiors, electronics, drive-train and engines. The total cost in jobs could be in the tens of thousands.
 
Stick said:
Will they not be redeployments from within the civil service because you wont need many civil servants in roles that were directly linked to the EU?
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I thought the Home Office and Dept. for Trade were saying recently the exact opposite, Brexit will create more jobs because there will be more transportation problems, including tariff arrangements and such like work to get through when we leave?
 
Tucholsky said:
If you lose 1000 jobs in the hospitality sector and then employ 100 people to check this sector, if they follow the regulations, out of the taxpayers money. Do you think that is an economic win situation?

I have a bridge to sell you, but you are apparently already paying down on a few of those...
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I didn't say it was an economic win situation, please read the post! I was simply pointing out some 'job creation' opportunities as a direct result of Brexit.

I hope you don't get stuck with your bridge.
 
Maticmaker said:
I didn't say it was an economic win situation, please read the post! I was simply pointing out some 'job creation' opportunities as a direct result of Brexit.
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You are clutching to straws.

Even you are admitting, that Brexit is responsible for losing tax paying jobs in the private sector. And then you talk about job creation "opportunities" paid out of tax money by the state. So you lose tax income, while you have to spend more money as a state.
Where does that money come from? It is either higher taxes (paid by you), higher debt (either paid by you or future generations) or that the state slashes services (expenses). Or all of that. So Brexit doesn't get you 350 Million per week for the NHS, it makes it more likelier that there will be even less money for the NHS.
 


It won’t blame brexit but it can’t help considering the new trade deal with the EU and Japan ending any import tariffs, which the UK won’t be part of, of course.
 
Maticmaker said:
I thought the Home Office and Dept. for Trade were saying recently the exact opposite, Brexit will create more jobs because there will be more transportation problems, including tariff arrangements and such like work to get through when we leave?
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Oh right. I would've thought that there would be civil servants working in admin jobs that would be preparing material for UK ministers travelling to the EU and all those meeting groups. With Brexit these civil servants will likely be freed up to do admin in other areas like ports etc. That would be my guess. May have no basis in reality but if there hasnt been a recruitment drive yet then I would say that is the plan. Have the Home office or Trade advertised for these jobs?
 
Maticmaker said:
What about all the extra Customs officer posts, Border Police and Port Authority Personnel posts, to handle the expected queues at Dover and the other expanding ports?
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They aren’t going to make up for the thousands of jobs negatively impacted
 
"Oh I see you are an expert arc welder.We have a job just for you then: Customs officer in Dover. You won't get a better offer than this !"
 
Honest John said:
He allegedly said that England was a nation of shopkeepers.
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Your customs officers wont be selling anything. They'll be completing paperwork for your goods going abroad and verifying it for EU/all other goods coming into the UK. It will take a while for the goods to actually make it to the shopkeepers.
 
Stick said:
Your customs officers wont be selling anything. They'll be completing paperwork for your goods going abroad and verifying it for EU/all other goods coming into the UK. It will take a while for the goods to actually make it to the shopkeepers.
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The point is that shopkeepers don't make anything. Neither do customs officers. The idea of customs officials back-filling lost highly skilled manufacturing jobs fills me with total sadness.

I have always been a believer in the adage that there is no wealth without production. And there isn't. Rather than watch our manufacturing industry fizzle out or go abroad this country should be doing the complete opposite. Seriously investing in manufacturing, technology and infrastructure. Training and up-skilling the workforce. Managing university places so we don't produce shed-loads of useless 2:1 Business Studies grads that end up flipping burgers. If there is any chance of the UK surviving this debacle then it will not be the City shoving around imaginary money that does it.
 
Honest John said:
The point is that shopkeepers don't make anything. Neither do customs officers. The idea of customs officials back-filling lost highly skilled manufacturing jobs fills me with total sadness.

I have always been a believer in the adage that there is no wealth without production. And there isn't. Rather than watch our manufacturing industry fizzle out or go abroad this country should be doing the complete opposite. Seriously investing in manufacturing, technology and infrastructure. Training and up-skilling the workforce. Managing university places so we don't produce shed-loads of useless 2:1 Business Studies grads that end up flipping burgers. If there is any chance of the UK surviving this debacle then it will not be the City shoving around imaginary money that does it.
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I get you now.

I don't know to be honest. It may be time to evolve. There is huge money in the services sector. I see your point about manufacturing but to manufacture you need to have people willing to do the conveyor belt jobs and to be fair not many people want to do them and AI/Robotics will be replacing these jobs in the next while anyway. Evolution is the way forward.
 
Stick said:
Oh right. I would've thought that there would be civil servants working in admin jobs that would be preparing material for UK ministers travelling to the EU and all those meeting groups. With Brexit these civil servants will likely be freed up to do admin in other areas like ports etc. That would be my guess. May have no basis in reality but if there hasnt been a recruitment drive yet then I would say that is the plan. Have the Home office or Trade advertised for these jobs?
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They seem to imply "they were in the pipeline"...its all part of this to and froing over what happens when Brexit occurs, if it occurs, which I still have my doubts. Nobody really knows what will happen, some dislocation will be necessary but common sense will win out eventually, we will still trade with Europe, and them with us, either inside the EU or as a third country. Who knows maybe Brexit will kick start our manufacturing industry, especially those areas where we already have a commercial advantage in AI and other related technologies?
 
golden_blunder said:
They aren’t going to make up for the thousands of jobs negatively impacted
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I never said they would, (wish people would read the dammed post and not keep adding their own take!)
I was responding to a previous post, that one area where we can expect to see jobs created directly because of Brexit, were the ones mentioned. This wasn't presented as a trade off on other lost jobs or anything like it, but given the disruption that supposed to occur at Ports etc. then additional jobs are likely...that's all!
 
Maticmaker said:
I never said they would, (wish people would read the dammed post and not keep adding their own take!)
I was responding to a previous post, that one area where we can expect to see jobs created directly because of Brexit, were the ones mentioned. This wasn't presented as a trade off on other lost jobs or anything like it, but given the disruption that supposed to occur at Ports etc. then additional jobs are likely...that's all!
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Probably, yes, but these are jobs contributing zero added value to the economy, merely dealing with a problem that we decided to create.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Probably, yes, but these are jobs contributing zero added value to the economy, merely dealing with a problem that we decided to create.
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Actually yes, they will be jobs created as a direct result of Brexit, whether they add value or not, they will exist!
 
Stick said:
I get you now.

I don't know to be honest. It may be time to evolve. There is huge money in the services sector. I see your point about manufacturing but to manufacture you need to have people willing to do the conveyor belt jobs and to be fair not many people want to do them and AI/Robotics will be replacing these jobs in the next while anyway. Evolution is the way forward.
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Are you Internet Explorer? What do you mean by "evolve". That evolution happened decades ago.

Straight from Wikipedia:
The service sector is the dominant sector of the UK economy, and contributes around 80.2% of GDP as of 2016.
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Ironically the service sector requires participation in the single market more than any other sector because it's covered by the 4 freedoms of the single market. Trade deals are usually for specifics baskets of goods and exclude services which can be very wide ranging, yet on the free movement of which the UK relies very heavily.
 
Maticmaker said:
Actually yes, they will be jobs created as a direct result of Brexit, whether they add value or not, they will exist!
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So bloating the public sector in other words. It sounds like Brexiteers and Corbyn might have even more in common than their antipathy to the EU.
 
Maticmaker said:
Actually yes, they will be jobs created as a direct result of Brexit, whether they add value or not, they will exist!
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Haha seriously mate, we’re talking about a catastrophic effect on the jobs market with companies pulling manufacturing left, right and centre and all that’s incoming is a few created to clear the backlogs at ports etc and keep them flowing. Where are the real job creation that was promised?
 
The more I listen/watch the likes of farage and jrm on tv or radio shows, the more I wonder how the feck this happened. Watching farage debate with a vet on a radio show, she tore him to bits with facts and his face said it all “oh feck, didn’t know that”.
 
golden_blunder said:
The more I listen/watch the likes of farage and jrm on tv or radio shows, the more I wonder how the feck this happened. Watching farage debate with a vet on a radio show, she tore him to bits with facts and his face said it all “oh feck, didn’t know that”.
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Any time someone comes at Farage with facts he crumbles, I don't think we'd be in the situation we are if journalists and producers had treat him like a politician instead of granting him disproportionate airtime and soft interviews because they thought him a throwback who guaranteed entertainment value and was ultimately harmless.
 
sun_tzu said:
The global trend is to now supply Europe from somewhere that has a trade deal with Europe (Japan) rather than somewhere that does not (UK)
Totally not brexit related etc...
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Honda are also closing their factory in Turkey and centralising production in Japan.

While this decision is a disaster for the Swindon workforce as well as component suppliers, that is the reality of the motor industry.

On the positive side, Dyson are working on the production of electric cars in Malmesbury; not that far from Swindon.
 
Brexiteers blaming global trends...what next? WTO?

Considering SMEs make up the bulk of UK businesses, wonder how many of them are quietly making decisions such as Honda, Nissan, Airbus?
 
Buster15 said:
Honda are also closing their factory in Turkey and centralising production in Japan.

While this decision is a disaster for the Swindon workforce as well as component suppliers, that is the reality of the motor industry.

On the positive side, Dyson are working on the production of electric cars in Malmesbury; not that far from Swindon.
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Maybe they regard the UK now as unfavourable as Turkey, which isn't in the EU?
 
RedChip said:
Maybe they regard the UK now as unfavourable as Turkey, which isn't in the EU?
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Yes. Could be but I understand that it is primarily to do with an overcapacity of production and the drop in demand for diesel engine cars.
Awful news though.
 
Buster15 said:
Honda are also closing their factory in Turkey and centralising production in Japan.

While this decision is a disaster for the Swindon workforce as well as component suppliers, that is the reality of the motor industry.

On the positive side, Dyson are working on the production of electric cars in Malmesbury; not that far from Swindon.
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My understanding (from working in Automotive manufacturing & having colleagues go to Dyson regularly) is that while they are working on it, the cars will not be made here.

Last month we had a big German OEM tell us that they want to move three production lines from our site to mainland Europe solely because of Brexit.
 
mitChley said:
My understanding (from working in Automotive manufacturing & having colleagues go to Dyson regularly) is that while they are working on it, the cars will not be made here.

Last month we had a big German OEM tell us that they want to move three production lines from our site to mainland Europe solely because of Brexit.
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Good to hear from someone with inside knowledge.

I had been talking to someone at the gym who has been involved in building work on the site but clearly your information is more correct.
 
Buster15 said:
Honda are also closing their factory in Turkey and centralising production in Japan.

While this decision is a disaster for the Swindon workforce as well as component suppliers, that is the reality of the motor industry.

On the positive side, Dyson are working on the production of electric cars in Malmesbury; not that far from Swindon.
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Swindon's a long way from Singapore where they will be made. Japan and Singapore both have trade deals with the EU, that's why.
 
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