But she is with ISIS? She has admitted to joining them?
Shamima Begum, IS teen wants to come back to the UK
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But she is with ISIS? She has admitted to joining them?
Yes but then we can waste lots of tax payers money to send her to prison and waste more tax payers money and then maybe she groom some terrorists in prisom who we spend years fighting wasting more tax payers money. And one day those liberal idiots can waste more money letting her out, giving her a home and paying for her medical care.
FYI liberals, you don't have to be brain dead to be liberal. You can execute some discretion, you don't have to be a mindless lemming.
Big man's gonna shoot a 19 year old in the face *high five*
Yes and it doesn’t have to go to trial if she pleads guilty anyway... which it would be interest for her to do as an early plea helps her case in sentencing.
I want to know how exactly that even happens.
She commited high treason by declaring allegiance to a global jihad. Proven guilty of what? She's been gone for 4 years.
Yes we can't openly kill her....we can make her go 'missing'. She is after all in a warzone and maybe she'll stumble on a ISIS planted landmine!
I actually think it would be very difficult to actually prosecute her for much.
Am I reading this right, if there’s a reasonable chance that you should have known someone was a terrorist and you didn’t inform the authorities you’d get killed by the government?
In that case, why not just sentence her now? Her sob story is out there.
Depends if the burden of proof is on her or the persecutors.
Happens all the time, they target people like her; she hinted in one of her interviews that she wasn’t particularly religious before she joined ISIS. That indicates there was something going on in her life that meant her head could be turned and terrorist organizations prey on that.
As an aside, I see it on almost a daily basis with regards to men sexually grooming young girls online.
Again, because she has the right to a fair trial and judiciary process. It is a pillar of our society and without it we may as well be exactly like the organization she left the country for.
That comment is fair, but if someone wants to threaten the lives of my friends, families, colleagues and other innocent people then frankly I feel there is only one choice and that is to use the full might of the military.
I'd rather put my tax payers money towards that than to giving her a council home, some spongy benefits and using up time of the NHS.
Presumably they would get her on being affiliated with a terrorist organization...
Leaving her out there acts a deterrent to other people thinking of doing this activity or anything similar in the future.
And it's not like that pillar hasn't been compromised before.
No, I mean, how exactly do you “groom” someone into joining a terrorist death cult. What exactly do they say to lure them in?
People keep using this as a way to somehow excuse her decision when she was 15, but what the feck did they tell her to “lure her in”? And furthermore, based on what they said, what does her decision to go say about her?
Please keep your blood lust to yourself on my account. I’d prefer you stayed at home.
There is a fast track. A review body could look at it and say is it beyond reasonable doubt that she joined a terrorist organisation....yes... great move to punishment....death for treason.
Same. Making a mistake or getting mislead at 15 is stealing a moped with your mates or robbing a store.....
You simply can't win against guns and bombs with a feather duster. You need a sense check
Men who are brutal internationally famous murderous psychopaths who blow people up in suicide vests and behead people on film. Would love to know what's attractive or sexy about this?
I don’t know the details of what’s happened so I couldn’t tell you exactly. Anything I say is speculation but from her comments she said she was attracted to the ‘good life’ in the new caliphate and given her new found devotion to Islam, one would imagine that she has been promised various things if she made the move, facilitated by her traffickers.
Same way teens end up on storm front and Blood&Honour.
This young lady has to learn that there can be unintended consequences to one's actions. Looks like the British govmtn is now saying she can't come back and that she won't be stateless.
Imo, I doubt the Bangladeshis will want her either.
Imo, I doubt the Bangladeshis will want her either.
I’m not in the state of mind to find a death cult an attractive proposition. Why not ask people who joined David Koresh’s death cult? Presumably the same thought processes went into their decision.
Ok but terrorists don't have the same rights as citizens. Their rights have been slowly eroded by legislation since 2001 in many western countries. What exactly do you think is a right outcome for her? Put her kid in foster care and rehabilitation for 20 years?
Exactly.
She apparently defected to ISIS in February 2015. Look at the list of things ISIS had done between 2013 and then.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_linked_to_ISIL
Like.... hello? Big flashing sign.
Kid should go to her family and she should serve a sentence under appropriate sentence guidelines. It’s pretty simple really...
I think people understandably find it hard to accept that ISIS had a genuine appeal that transcended things like gender, age, ethnicity and general background, so they assume that those attracted to ISIS must have been tricked into it somehow. Thousands of people from all walks of life made the trip, they clearly weren't all 'brainwashed' or 'groomed', and there doesn't seem much reason, based on what we know, that she was any different.
What did they tell her? I'd imagine she was sold the idea that the Islamic State offered the chance for her to live a truly Islamic lifestyle free from corrupt non-Muslim influences, and to be a part of the winning side of history as God has promised the true believers. Secondary to all that would have been the propaganda concerning the supposed 'normality' of life in the caliphate, how good they had it, etc.
The hell did she get promised? “I shall behead many infidels for you. Please come.”
@RedTillI'mDead , tag line checks out 
Too many people are asking a question that isn't there to be asked. It's the usual PC nonsense. "We must find a way to justify these decisions". NO NO NO
Someone joins a death cult....reason is irrelevant... too stupid to avoid getting drawn in to one....psychopath...the end result is the same.....in a death cult. Only solution to someone who wants to see the world burn is to end the virus in their brain. There is only cost and risk to be gained by trying to do any other route.
Similar to anyone who commits mass murder. These people should be given the death penalty....or tortured in a medieval style to put people so far off this route it's not even considered. We don't want semi psychos going full psycho because they think the worst that can happen is 3 square meals a day and a bnb (aka prison).
That's a good question. It's easy to say that this happens all the time but there must've been some factors in her life that pushed her towards this path such as difficulty in integrating in the society, parents being too conservative and not allowing her to do things a normal teenager would etc. that might have forced her to seek this path. Also, how do ISIS even get to these teens? I'm guessing they don't use google ad's to target vulnerable teens so, it should be interesting to learn their MO. I'm still no convinced that UK should take her back because her decision should have consequences and giving her an easy out would set a bad example.
Look, I agree with you. I don’t understand it myself and I am in no way defending her decision to go, I just don’t think any one would make a rational decision to fly to a place like that if they had not received some kind of brainwashing. The fact that you and I can’t understand it goes to show that we are not in a vulnerable mental state, as I am assuming she must have been...
It sounds to me from your heavy defence that you very likely are a terrorist.
KILL HIM! NO TRIAL! Death to all tentatively suspected terrorists!
You got me Jacques Clouseau