The Independent Group for Change | Have decided to disband after ten months
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Dont see the problem here. Both Labour & the Tories are pro-Brexit and they're the only parties that can win the election, so a general election achieves nothing for the new party. It does however mean that they'd be forced to refight their seats long before they had any chance to prepare, which would reduce their already minimal chances to zero.
So how will they stop Brexit?
Well not via a general election obviously, which is the key point here.
Yeah, I've done it again, just thought about the withdrawal agreement and forgot about the real long-term stuff afterwards that will be even more important. It's no excuse but I'm not the only one that does it, I think.
Sorry but that's just wrong there's more to a GE than winning power it's about gaining seats and influence for the third/fourth biggest parties. If they've set up a party without preparation or policy then that's a terrible reflection on them. They should be proving their mandate as without it they're just a bunch of opinionated people representing no one
It's way too early for them to want a general election, to be fair. They haven't established a new party yet, or even decided if that's the route they want to go down or if they'd rather stay as an independent group of MPs.
Forming a political party, building the campaigning infrastructure and selecting candidates takes a long time. They can't effectively contest a general election for a while yet, even if they wanted to.
I would argue that there is a more pressing problem to address before the 31st March, but maybe thats just me.
They could hardly get to the point of being election ready while still within other parties.
Genuinely fecked off by all of this. The Tories have managed to oversee a decade’s worth of austerity and shambolic management of Brexit and still they look nowhere nearer to being ousted. Homelessness has grown, public sector workers have had real terms pay cuts, job ‘growth’ has been beefed up through piss poor zero-hours jobs and working mothers are better off staying on the abhorrently-designed Universal Credit as opposed to maintaining the sort of part time work they can manage. The disabled have been systematically bullied, too. We’re now a month away from leaving the European Union, primarily due to the in-fighting that took place within the Tory party to start with.
I vote Labour. I loved the 2017 manifesto. I quite like Corbyn and most of what he stands for. But I can’t wait for him to feck off. Labour is pathetic. Relentlessly hopeless. There’s no way on earth that this Labour opposition are going to appeal to enough voters across the county to get back into power. All while the increasingly aggressive left wing of the party celebrate that the likes of Ummuna and Berger have finally buggered off to ‘join the Tories’ as if it’s something to be proud of. It isn’t. Just look at the voting records of the likes of Ummuna compared to genuine Tories like Soubry. Why are these people in a position in which they might share the same party?
My utopian scenario would be for Corbyn to manage a handover to a respected, centrist member of the party and demand his Momentum movement maintain some sort of support. If they don’t, then they can sod off and create their own protest party. Because that’s all Labour is: a very-split protest movement full of MPs who don’t agree with the leadership.
Labour needs to gain Tory seats and that will not happen under the current leadership. Somebody will tell me where I’m wrong and I probably am. But what are the options for a Labour voter like me? I want the Tories out. I see first-hand how they can decimate working communities. I know (believe) that Corbyn isn’t going to work long-term. I think the likes of McDonnell and Abbott are halfwits. I actually quite liked what I can remember about the country under Blair and Brown, the Iraq war aside. Or do I just get called a Red Tory by juvenile numpties that can’t see the anything apart from the inside of their own arse?
Frustrating.
I vote Labour. I loved the 2017 manifesto. I quite like Corbyn and most of what he stands for. But I can’t wait for him to feck off. Labour is pathetic. Relentlessly hopeless. There’s no way on earth that this Labour opposition are going to appeal to enough voters across the county to get back into power. All while the increasingly aggressive left wing of the party celebrate that the likes of Ummuna and Berger have finally buggered off to ‘join the Tories’ as if it’s something to be proud of. It isn’t. Just look at the voting records of the likes of Ummuna compared to genuine Tories like Soubry. Why are these people in a position in which they might share the same party?
My utopian scenario would be for Corbyn to manage a handover to a respected, centrist member of the party and demand his Momentum movement maintain some sort of support. If they don’t, then they can sod off and create their own protest party. Because that’s all Labour is: a very-split protest movement full of MPs who don’t agree with the leadership.
Labour needs to gain Tory seats and that will not happen under the current leadership. Somebody will tell me where I’m wrong and I probably am. But what are the options for a Labour voter like me? I want the Tories out. I see first-hand how they can decimate working communities. I know (believe) that Corbyn isn’t going to work long-term. I think the likes of McDonnell and Abbott are halfwits. I actually quite liked what I can remember about the country under Blair and Brown, the Iraq war aside. Or do I just get called a Red Tory by juvenile numpties that can’t see the anything apart from the inside of their own arse?
Frustrating.
But shouldn't they do all this before being an MP? If I was one of their constituents that had voted for them, I wouldn't be happy that they represented a party, which they've now left, and seem quite content to wait until the next GE because they might lose their seat.
They can't contest a GE? Fine, but they can contest a bye election.
It hardly gets mentioned but even if we leave with a transition period (deal) or no transition period (no deal)- then the talks start immediately about the future trading arrangement (trade deal).
People are so fucussed on the process so far and how fractious its been and we have not even started the proper negotiations yet - Ill be shocked if any future deal is done in 2 years - i suspect we have the best part of a decade with this issue dragging on - and on - and on...
basically giving TIG access to a grass roots organisation - logical move though a merge at some point seems most probable?
That's just the way the British electoral system works. It's representative democracy where you're electing a specific person.
Which is fine if they represent their constituents based on the mandate to which they were elected.
I've heard a few of these MPs say their constituents voted remain but they also voted Labour so you can't have it both ways
Ian Austin next it sounds like.
Good, another ideal candidate to join this shitshow.
That's why you have representation, it would be impossible to reconcile the different voices and concerns in a constituency in any other way. An MP isn't just there to represent people who voted for her. She's there to represent everyone, including those who voted against her, and local businesses, schools, hospital, churches and so on. They represent the constituency in its totality & their job is to do that as widely as practicable.
This btw is why deselection is such a difficult topic. It may sound simple saying that MPs should represent party members, and up to a point that's true. But what's also true is that the more primacy you give to party members, the less representation those other voters, businesses, schools etc all get in politics (execpt there their views overlap). In a world where MPs did only what the party told them to, other voices in their constituency would have no represenation at all, which would probably be a backwards step from a democracy point of view.
indeed - corbyn was elected on the blair / new labour manifesto and consistently ignored that fact to vote against that manifesto (428 times http://revolts.co.uk/?p=932 ) by his own standards he should have stood down as a labour MP and called a by election or voted with the government - as you say you cant have it both ways
I think you're being a bit facetious it's obviously a false equivalence to compare a policy voting record within a party and setting up a new party to abandon a general mandate. How many of those votes even relate back to a GE promise? How many are things Corbyn didn't campaign on and were against his local parties wishes?
If Chukka for instance had campaigned on the policies he's now going to promote you may have case but that isn't going to be so.
Yeah, the New (Neo) Liberal Independent Group.
Policy is a strong economy, tolerance and good things for everyone.
Tbf it sounds better than going back to 1970's socialism with added unicorns and anti semitism...
Or reinstating the empire
Gavin Shuker says there could be confidence & supply arrangement with Conservatives in return for referendum on May's deal
#ChangePolitics
#WellItsTheSameButUsInsteadOfTheDUP
#WellItsTheSameButUsInsteadOfTheDUP
Can't see the erg backing anything that does not have no deal as one of the two options
Can't see may backing anything that does not have her deal as one of the two options
Can't see Tig or a bunch of labour MPs backing anything that does not have remain as one of the two options
Can't see Corbyn backing anything
In short I can't see any referendum having enough backing
Here are Corbyn and McDonnell talking prior to the 2015 election about how they'd be willing to bring down an Ed Miliband government if it tried to implement its manifesto pledges on austerity - https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/...nell-interview-election-2015-labour-party-674
How did that story end?
Badly... Red ed was seen as too left wing to be electable
Jeremy Corbyn following the policy idea written on the immigration mugs, I believe.
Why wouldn’t they? Politics is about power and they are potentially demonstrating theirs. What’s more interesting is the price they’d ask.
Surely they are going to come up with a better name than the Independent Group
Group of Independent-Minded Parliamentarians.
I wonder if there's any war the New Labour tribute act won't endorse
Exactly.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with people setting up a new political party.
Both Conservative and Labour are rapidly becoming relics of the past with no vision of either the now or the future.
The world is changing and unless the parties change as well to reflect the issues of the 21st century then they should be cast aside.
Politics must become progressive not routed in the past.
Did you even read the article?
You seem so desperate to lash out at these MPs i think its clouding your brain.
War on the Rothschild's/illuminati... They can leave that to jezbollah?