You really believe Jezza would go to war against anyone?
Your new blairites would be itching to give the order to bomb someone, good for the optics
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You really believe Jezza would go to war against anyone?
Your new blairites would be itching to give the order to bomb someone, good for the optics
Well he would have to win a general election first.... So almost certainly it's never going to happen
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Some say he already has
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...ur-has-declared-war-says-party-mp-jeremy/amp/
But going back to the labour manifesto I don't recall abolishing the army or scrapping bombers and using the money for something else... So I can only logically conclude he sees the need for an army and therefore circumstances in which he would go to war... If he ever came to power... Which he wont
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Ian Austin has quit
Not joining Tig though
Does not want a 2nd referendum
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47330079
Could feasibly join Tig once brexit is settled I guess
Another Corbyn hater leaves - good riddance.
Will he resign his seat and trigger a by-election? Will he feck
Will he resign his seat and trigger a by-election? Will he feck
Still deflecting. Do you think he would ever go to war?
Did Corbyn ever do that when he was elected on a labour manifesto but voted against pretty much everything New Labour did?
Deflecting.... Hummmm I made a point about the rampant antisemitanti under his watch
You talk about war
Honest answer
Yes I can envisage circumstances under which he would go to war... He's on record having said as much as well
So back to the point... Is the growth of anti semitism under his watch which has been cited by most of the labour leavers into Tig (which is the purpose of this thread... Feel free to start another about corbyns military policy if you want) acceptable
When did Corbyn leave the party?
So if Tig had stayed in labour and voted against manifesto pledges that would have been ok?... Is that now the convoluted argument to defend jezbollah
Any guesses as to who's funding this 'party'?
Dunno... Probably the illuminati and the Rothschild's right
Well the lies are more fun than the reality right
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Are you suggesting that any MP voting against the party line should immediately resign?
No... I'm saying if it was justified for Corbyn to do that (428 times) it's equally justified for Tig members to vote against manifesto as well ... You can't have it both ways
Similarly many many MPs have become independent over the years and there is no convention for a by election... So he should probably get on with sorting the rampant anti semitism that's occured under his watch... Or get a coherent brexit plan or force this election he's been promicing rather than spout hypocrisy
It's funny how the criticism levied at MPs leaving the Labour Party (in part) because of Corbyn can't be applied to Corbyn, even though he was elected on New Labour policies and (ironically) by Tony Blair's mandate. Definitely isn't relevant at all!!!! 
Given certain high-profile political figures' blatant financial self-interest (Rees-Mogg, for example), it's hardly 'wacky conspiracy' stuff to question the emergence of TIG.
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Labour are fecked, Corbyn for all his good points is now too toxic for mainstream voters, he'll not quit but the Labour party could take years to come back from this.
One thing I don't understand is how a racist and xenophobic party like the Tories are getting off scott free.
One thing I don't understand is how a racist and xenophobic party like the Tories are getting off scott free.
Well I've given you the stated facts and that even they are not under an obligation to do so they are applying the same standards as a political party.
And of course people can question... But equally people should not just make up accusations... Like the ones that had to be withdrawn
https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...rael-funding-independent-group-luciana-berger
There's very much a longstanding convention thats just a plain lie.
It would be justified for them to rebel on a vote and they'd then have to explain that to their constituents. We're not talking about rebel votes though we're talking about abandoning the party and everything with it.
This is all very transparent and a little pathetic i really do wonder how far people will stretch their own views to attack a figure they dislike. I guess you'd have no problem if instead of a new group they'd have joined the Tories? Because erm erm Corbyn voted against a war!!
It's prolly being funded by the RSPB or Bagpuss or some other benign right correct thinking saintly figure.
Most of the media machine lean to the right.
If they had joined the conservatives or the libs they should by convention at that point hold a by election... That is the convention of the house though there is no obligation
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/by-elections/
Eg Doug cars well joined ukip and held an election
Frank field and jarad o'mara are now independent and have not had by elections
Genuinely I think new labour under Blair was the wrong party for Corbyn... Resigning the whip and standing on his principals as an independent would have been in my opinion more honourable.
Indeed. They are getting away with a legal loophole to hide their backers, while these are also hypocritical in their denial of a people's vote (by election) after they quit the party they were elected as part of.
The decent thing to do wpuld reinvest their seats and register as a political party, but that would require them to have principles
When was this last not the case? Because Labour have won elections before.
And that was in the days when the Tories weren’t quite so obviously incompetent as the current shower of useless twats.
Well Blair very much pandered to Murdoch and his cronies to get them onside during his run, which oviously helped him. Afraid I don't know enough about before then to comment, but would like to hear if anyone else does.
If he had of done he'd be nobody now. He never agreed with anything New Labour did. Rather than split away and form a his own radical left of left party has used the Labour Party. Once in power he mobilised the machinery, enrolled hundreds of thousands of SJW's and Big Issue sellers at £3 a pop pretty-much closing the door on the moderates. I expect there will come a time when the likes of Benn and Cooper will be forced to make a move.
This is not replicated by the right of the Tory party. The ERG may be having their day over Brexit but they are not ultra-rights, they just have one big issue (the clue is is in the name). They have been nothing more than a thorn in the side of the main party which to me is pretty much centre-right when compared to Thatcher.
Big Issue Sellers? Is that really where we're going now you silly cnut.
That's right, you go ahead and double down on unelectable.
Only Labour could manage to come out of an absolute shambles of a Brexit by the Government being worse off!
High quality debating there.... Something about attack the post not the poster
You think denegrating Big issue sellers is ok you silly cnut?
Why not? There seems to be a lot of effort around here arguing against the bleeding obvious - the the Labour leadership is Marxists and therefore unelectable which is rubbish for our democracy.
Because maybe people aren't completely sure Labour is any less racist or xenophobic. Labour's institutional antisemitism and its support for Brexit don't imply any great claims to superiority tbh.