Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4

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Majima said:
Sanchez looked very sharp vs Chelsea. No idea why he wasn't starting today and then to bring on an unfit Lingard instead of him is just mental.

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Because Sanchez usually does feck all despite looking busy. But I hope for goodness sake he steps up atleast today.
 
El Zoido said:
Not his fault if Lingard gets injured. He takes advise from the medical staff and Lingard himself.
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The problem with Lingard was starting him without any warm-up. Maybe we should have muddled on with 10 players while he warmed up? You don’t often (ever?) see that though.
 
Gomes said:
Playing Herrera and Matic in every game for 90 minutes and then subbing on Lingard. Of course Ole shares a big part of the blame.
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Agreed. Matic has been in need of a rest for ages. They've literally ran themselves into the ground. Was inevitable to happen sooner or later.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Big gambles bringing on an unfit Lingard and Pereira over a player with lots of Champion League experience in Fred. History will be written by the winner so this could be a master-stroke or a stick for his detractors to beat him with.
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In the UCL Fred is enabled more room and protection than what he would get here.
 
El Zoido said:
Not his fault if Lingard gets injured. He takes advise from the medical staff and Lingard himself.
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I am shocked that this is being seen as anything other than a terrible decision. Ole mentioned in his pre-match interview that Lingard wasn't fit and ready to play the full game. It was nonsense subbing him in given the situation with 75 minutes still on the clock.
 
Kapardin said:
Because Sanchez usually does feck all despite looking busy. But I hope for goodness sake he steps up atleast today.
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What utter nonsense. He's just getting back to full fitness and he's hardly had any minutes so far. I hope we play him through the centre, he's not a winger ffs.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
You have no idea whether he's deemed it worth the risk to overrule the medical staff. Managers have the final say.

To bring him on with the substitutes you had left was a huge risk and has predictably backfired. Taking away any accountability from the manager who made the decision is ridiculous.

It was especially risky with the substitutes you had left to bring on a player who was deemed not fit to start.
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Indeed. Both Guardiola and Mourinho demand a lot from players when they're not really fit enough to play.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
You have no idea whether he's deemed it worth the risk to overrule the medical staff. Managers have the final say.

To bring him on with the substitutes you had left was a huge risk and has predictably backfired. Taking away any accountability from the manager who made the decision is ridiculous.

It was especially risky with the substitutes you had left to bring on a player who was deemed not fit to start.
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That’s a strawman if ever there was one. You don’t know that either. Obviously.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I don't see it. You think Ole had a final say in whether Lingard plays or not?
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I don’t know about that. But telling him to play 70 minutes after getting a muscle injury 10 days ago wasn’t the right decision in my opinion.
 
ErranMorad said:
I am shocked that this is being seen as anything other than a terrible decision. Ole mentioned in his pre-match interview that Lingard wasn't fit and ready to play the full game. It was nonsense subbing him in given the situation with 75 minutes still on the clock.
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People are very protective of Ole and can't handle any criticism being thrown his way.

He's done an incredible job but he's (understandably) still got a lot to learn and like every other manager in the league, will make mistakes. He did so today and will likely learn from it.
 
I don't want to criticise Solskjaer for anything given how he has turned around our season but the Lingard sub does look like a badly judged gamble.
 
Kag said:
That’s a strawman if ever there was one. You don’t know that either. Obviously.
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True, but I don't see how people are prize plums for suggesting that the manager has taken a big risk which has backfired.

Like others have said, Ole talked about how Lingard wasn't really fit to start. Bringing on a player who wasn't fully fit when you're already down a couple of substitutes with Rashford limping was a poor decision.
 
Kag said:
‘Limited’ minutes is vague expression. You’re either fit to play in a football match or you’re not. If Lingard was deemed fit to play (which he clearly was) then that’s a decision made by medical professionals, not football managers.
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Except according to Solskjaer himself Lingard was not fit to play a full game, yet capable of playing some minutes. That was Solskjaer's opinion and even just based on that opinion alone, bringing Lingard on so early was a big risk.

If your logic is correct (that you're either fit to play or your not) then what Solskjaer said before the game also made no sense. Either he believed what he said (in which case he was at odds with your logic) or he didn't believe it (in which case he didn't actually think Lingard was fit to play at all but had him on the bench anyway).
 
Lingards substitution was a mistake by Ole.

Fergie made plenty. Poch makes plenty. Let’s see how it pans out.

I just hope he acknowledges it after the match.
 
sullydnl said:
Except according to Solskjaer himself Lingard was not fit to play a full game, yet capable of playing some minutes. That was Solskjaer's opinion and even just based on that opinion alone, bringing Lingard on so early was a big risk.

If your logic is correct (that you're either fit to play or your not) then what Solskjaer said before the game also made no sense. Either he believed what he said (in which case he was at odds with your logic) or he didn't believe it (in which case he didn't actually think Lingard was fit to play at all but had him on the bench anyway).
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It was obviously a risk. Every decision has an element of risk. Whatever, Lingard wouldn’t have been on the bench if there wasn’t a good chance of him being physically able to play 90 minutes. As it turns out he lasted, what, 15 minutes? Are people going to blame Ole for that too?

As I said earlier, the really obvious problem was bringing him on without any warmup. But playing with 10 men while a sub warms up would be unprecedented (I think?)
 
sullydnl said:
Except according to Solskjaer himself Lingard was not fit to play a full game, yet capable of playing some minutes. That was Solskjaer's opinion and even just based on that opinion alone, bringing Lingard on so early was a big risk.

If your logic is correct (that you're either fit to play or your not) then what Solskjaer said before the game also made no sense. Either he believed what he said (in which case he was at odds with your logic) or he didn't believe it (in which case he didn't actually think Lingard was fit to play at all but had him on the bench anyway).
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You are either fit to play or not. Medically, that’s assessed by professionals. How match fit a player will be is different entirely, and that’s what Solskjaer is clearly referring to. Or at least that’s what managers usually refer to when discussing how capable players are of completing a full game after injury...
 
It was a poorly calculated risk that backfired. Undoubtedly the fitness coaches would have certified Jesse fit but at the same time they would have cautioned that he is not fully 100%. It was strange that Jesse came on before Sanchez and this perhaps shows the current place that Sanchez has in the team.

Well, the risk was taken and it didn’t pay off. That happens. What I really dislike are the people in the forum blaming Ole for not rotating and blaming Ole for taking that risk. Sometimes you do it because you hope for a greater return. I think perhaps his team (Carrick, McKenna, Phelan felt it was justified at the time). We really need to stop pointing fingers at people whenever any little thing goes awry.

This is the time of true adversity. Let’s get behind the team and manager. Liverpool are a good team this season so it is going to be tough but let’s see how the current players are galvanised.
 
Should have probably brought a defender and changed the formation a bit.
Lingard wasn't fit , yet was brought on.

But think we should let today's game go. Not a good day to judge him
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Awful subs and in game decisions by OGS.

Utterly awful.

This could potentially give Liverpool the fecking PL.
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Stop being dramatic. The Jesse sub was a poor decision but what’s wrong with the in game decisions? Plus Liverpool were on their way to winning the PL anyway. Let’s not pin this on OGS handing them the PL...
 
RedPnutz said:
Stop being dramatic. The Jesse sub was a poor decision but what’s wrong with the in game decisions? Plus Liverpool were on their way to winning the PL anyway. Let’s not pin this on OGS handing them the PL...
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I'll pin this game's in game decisions and starting line-up on Ole, mate.

He's the man who'd be getting credit if he'd made the right decisions - can't have it both ways.

It appears he's completely fecked it up.
 
I'm sure Ole didn't defy all medical advice to bring Lingard on. Yeah it obviously didn't work out, but people are making a lot of assumptions, despite knowing none of the facts.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I'll pin this game's in game decisions and starting line-up on Ole, mate.

He's the man who'd be getting credit if he'd made the right decisions - can't have it both ways.

It appears he's completely fecked it up.
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For sure the Jesse sub was a poor decision as I said. Whether certified fit or not, it seems an unnecessary risk.

But the in-game decision are tweaked due to injuries so the hands were forced. Same as the starting lineup with injuries to Martial and Matic. He has had to mitigate.

“Completely fecked it up” is the overly dramatic part.
 
Tactically we have been excellent, considering so many problems. We were closer to goal than them.
 
If this was Mourinho, we would be sitting back and getting pummelled.

Regardless of the Lingard debacle, we are playing bravely on the front foot and that's to Ole's credit.
 
Kapardin said:
If this was Mourinho, we would be sitting back and getting pummelled.

Regardless of the Lingard debacle, we are playing bravely on the front foot and that's to Ole's credit.
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Aye. There's no need to crucify Solskjaer for a bad decision or ignore the positives in what has been a good performance in the circumstances. It's just silly to pretend it wasn't a bad decision on Solskjaer's part or that he wasn't at all to blame. He made a bad call, it happens.
 
Another big game at home where you can’t really judge him as the game plan went out the window after 20 mins.
 
Bringing Lingard on was a mistake on his part. However, he still got an excellent performance from a depleted side in very difficult circumstances. Even if we lost I would have been happy with the performance against what is a better side.

One suspects that unless the team seriously drops off between now and the end of the season the job is probably his.
 
He’s shown today he deserves the job. He’s got us playing great football but also shown today this side has character & resilience.

The tactical switch at half time was terrific & we were the better team the second half. For all Liverpool’s possession they did feck all. He deserves his chance to manage this team & sign his players.
 
ha_rooney said:
He’s shown today he deserves the job. He’s got us playing great football but also shown today this side has character & resilience.

The tactical switch at half time was terrific & we were the better team the second half. For all Liverpool’s possession they did feck all. He deserves his chance to manage this team & sign his players.
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Yep, nicely put. This is certainly a highlight of his tenure.
 
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