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[Smores]

Looks like it's now clear that she's even got the short extension wrong and the EU are saying May 23rd only.

If only our PM knew how to talk to people other than her cabinet

 

[SteveJ]

May's been 'advised' to meet the 1922 Committee tonight.

 

[Ecstatic]

The wording is not very fabulous from a diplomatic standpoint.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Another referendum with multiple choice is the best political solution by far.

It's really not. A vote like this should never have been put to the people in the first place. It's so broad and open to interpretation, not to mention non binding, and difficult for most to comprehend the scale of.

What should be done is to cancel the whole thing and admit it was a mistake, and tell the public that going ahead with it would do irreparable damage to the UK. But that won't be done, because May and the Tories are a bunch of feckwits.

 

[Sweet Square]

Honestly, I didn't find it so outlandish. He favours stronger integration in the EU and says so explicitly. Hard to judge the exact, concrete proposals without hearing of them but his diagnosis is correct: part of the problem of the EU is the amazing number of opt-outs and rebates and such. Whether a dual system of members and associated countries would solve these problems, I have no idea because he didn't elaborate on how these would work.

What did you find so incredibly terrible about it that it's on par with Trump's incoherent babbling?

National democracy ? Now granted I'm all on board ''we actually don't have really democracy in are lives'' commie train but I don't think wanting to turn Europe into a federal state is the answer. And certainly want go down well with some european countries.

Verhofstadt ''The reason you Italians have 0 growth for well over a decade now is because you haven't got the same political power as Vermont''

I'm sure it will go down like a charm.

 

[sun_tzu]

May's been 'advised' to meet the 1922 Committee tonight.

They are pretty toothless as they can't challange her leadership for another 9 or 10 months...
Suspect they will come to an agreement that if they get her vote through she will stand down so a brexiteer (johnson, mogg, gove... And my money is on pop) will take over once it's passed

 

[Adisa]

The EU should only agree to a long extension. A short extension is a guaranteed No deal.

 

[Mb194dc]

The EU should only agree to a long extension. A short extension is a guaranteed No deal.

May (and parliament) won't allow no deal.

Time for the EU27 to force the issue. I expect them to reject May's request with extreme prejudice.

 

[Ecstatic]

It's really not. A vote like this should never have been put to the people in the first place. It's so broad and open to interpretation, not to mention non binding, and difficult for most to comprehend the scale of.

What should be done is to cancel the whole thing and admit it was a mistake, and tell the public that going ahead with it would do irreparable damage to the UK. But that won't be done, because May and the Tories are a bunch of feckwits.

Now, in 2019, I guess the British people is fully aware of the real stakes behind a Brexit.

A referendum always takes place at a point in time and the voters have the right to change their views on the basis on an updated information.

I guess the Brexit has been more discussed after the vote than before. I mean the voters are much more enlightened now about the diverse consequences of a Brexit.

 

[JPRouve]

National democracy ? Now granted I'm all on board ''we actually don't have really democracy in are lives'' commie train but I don't think wanting to turn Europe into a federal state is the answer. And certainly want go down well with some european countries.

Verhofstadt ''The reason you Italians have 0 growth for well over a decade now is because you haven't got the same political power as Vermont''

I'm sure it will go down like a charm.

I don't really get your point. Verhofstadt is a federalist and only speaks for himself. It's not new and at this point in time it's not a popular view.

 

[LARulz]

The EU should only agree to a long extension. A short extension is a guaranteed No deal.

She should submit the extension letter depending on how her meeting with the hard Brexiteers goes today (assuming she has one). If it goes 'well' in that they agree to pass a deal through then short extension. If they say no then long extension

 

[VP89]

I have a similar thing on my facebook, but funnier, the cat just sits at the open door and looks at it.

Got to Nigeria on Monday and just caught up with the last two days news.
Is May really asking for an extension to put forward a deal that has been rejected by parliament, not one but twice?
Is this really happening?

" If you Dont like the result, you can't just keep asking the public to vote until they change their mind" - Mrs. May


"Let's let parliament keep voting until they change their mind" - also Mrs. May

 

[Siorac]

National democracy ? Now granted I'm all on board ''we actually don't have really democracy in are lives'' commie train but I don't think wanting to turn Europe into a federal state is the answer. And certainly want go down well with some european countries.

Verhofstadt ''The reason you Italians have 0 growth for well over a decade now is because you haven't got the same political power as Vermont''

I'm sure it will go down like a charm.

See, I think the nation state is a dying construct that will eventually have to be replaced. Maybe not in our lifetime but who knows? Their significance and power is ebbing rapidly as companies like Google and Amazon grow and attain unprecedented power and influence.

I don't think local, regional democracy - which is a good thing! - necessarily has to be done within a nation state. Right now there would be HUGE resistance to any other organisational structure, I know. But that can, should and probably will change eventually.

These may be radical views, in the sense that they are significantly different from the status quo. But the comparison to Trump is unfair and unwarranted.

 

[GloryHunter07]

something I heard on brexitcast last night... might come into play if true...
Apparently shortening a long extension is pretty easy... but lengthening a short extension is going to be legally very difficult:

So basically 12th or 24th April is a date the Eu have in mind for when the UK must take legal steps to prepare for EU elections if they are to have them

If we dont hold them then at the time we come to try to extend we will have no MEP's and apparently therefore undetr EU rules not be able to extend... basically 30th June would instantly become deal or no deal hard deadline

therefore possible they may either only allow an extension till april saying the deal must be approved by then or the only further extension would be a long one... that said apparently some countries not keen to have uk involved in elections and having a bunch of Ukippers having a say over Eu plans so they are minded to prefer no deal over long extension.

I suspect there is a realistic chance that Mays plan for a 30th june extension may be the 4th option of the EU after (in no specific order) long extension, even shorter extension or no deal.

Yes ive seen this too. May is a clown, driving us over a cliff through sheer obstinance.

 

[Adisa]

May (and parliament) won't allow no deal.

Time for the EU27 to force the issue. I expect them to reject May's request with extreme prejudice.

We've both argued this point before. There are two parties in this thing, not one. Parliament cannot stop a No Deal until it agrees to something. Unless EU agrees to an extension, we are leaving on the 29th of this month. The extension May is asking for is just moving the no deal date and I can't see why they should agree to it. The parliament must agree to do something before the deadline for countries to participate in the EU elections. We are sleeping walking towards and we better wake up to that fact.

 

[Klopper76]

I think he's found the solution.

 

[JPRouve]

Take it with a pinch of salt but France are against any sort of extension.

 

[Smores]

They get a lot of 'remain' voters pop up with wierd views.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Take it with a pinch of salt but France are against any sort of extension.

@Rooney in Paris what the feck? You march your way down to the Eiffel Tower and talk to the President of France right fecking now! Tell them that a brie company sent you, that should let you through the security guards who wear powdered wigs.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Now, in 2019, I guess the British people is fully aware of the real stakes behind a Brexit.

A referendum always takes place at a point in time and the voters have the right to change their views on the basis on an updated information.

I guess the Brexit has been more discussed after the vote than before. I mean the voters are much more enlightened now about the diverse consequences of a Brexit.

I think you are severely over estimating a lot of British people there.

 

[stevoc]

We can grow our own toilet roll!

Don't need Toilet Roll at all, wiping your arse is for the European Globalist Elites.

 

[Raulduke]

Someone recently joked that if the UK suddenly offered to not leave that the EU would likely offer them the deal of a life time just to ensure they still would. I'm starting to think this might not be too far from the truth.

 

[The Firestarter]

Someone recently joked that if the UK suddenly offered to not leave that the EU would likely offer them the deal of a life time just to ensure they still would. I'm starting to think this might not be too far from the truth.

But UK can unilaterally declare to remain until the 29th right ?

 

[Mb194dc]

We've both argued this point before. There are two parties in this thing, not one. Parliament cannot stop a No Deal until it agrees to something. Unless EU agrees to an extension, we are leaving on the 29th of this month. The extension May is asking for is just moving the no deal date and I can't see why they should agree to it. The parliament must agree to do something before the deadline for countries to participate in the EU elections. We are sleeping walking towards and we better wake up to that fact.

May is asking to change the WA as well, because it can't be put back for a vote without "substantial changes". What she is asking for probably doesn't amount to "substantial changes" anyway though. Bercow would still rule it out of order.

Macron will seemingly refuse the extension:

https://www.lepoint.fr/politique/em...la-date-du-brexit-20-03-2019-2302680_1897.php

Personally I hope this is vrai.

This will drag on forever unless it is forced to a conclusion.

 

[Siorac]

The only thing missing from this now is the UK vetoing the UK's request for extension at the EU summit.

 

[Eboue]

 

[Raulduke]

Just when you think Brexit can't get any weirder

 

[Sassy Colin]

May's been 'advised' to meet the 1922 Committee tonight.

I come to bury May, not to praise her!

 

[Maagge]

The gist of it seems to be "Give me an extension so I can get this deal, which was already rejected twice, through parliament. We'll stick in some yet to be named changes in order for it to pass.". Or am I reading it wrongly?

 

[Rooney in Paris]

@Rooney in Paris what the feck? You march your way down to the Eiffel Tower and talk to the President of France right fecking now! Tell them that a brie company sent you, that should let you through the security guards who wear powdered wigs.

I live in Spain

 

[NinjaFletch]

I think May's plan is to delay for long enough to have a new state opening of Parliament and then bring the deal back in a new session.

I mean, it's probably just to thrash about hoping to survive, but there's some logic to doing that.

 

[Relfy]

See earlier posts.. Tony Blair to become the poster boy for Remain in any forthcoming second (or is it third) Referendum on membership of EU, (formerly known as EEC, Common Market, etc.)

Yes, it is appearing much more like this is the case, though I am uncertain how that will play out considering his reputation over Iraq. Is he the 'right' person for the job? Don't get me wrong the lads on the Leave camp are awful, but they can easily challenge his credentials and question his position.

What we need is someone in the current climate to step forward and campaign this. I think someone like David Lammy could (and should) well prove a prominent figure in this, but whether he will be afforded the air time or not remains to be seen. Everything I hear and see from him has been good thus far. I believe he speaks in a way in which most people can connect to and appreciate.

 

[sun_tzu]

But UK can unilaterally declare to remain until the 29th right ?

Give us what we want or we stay and you have to put up with farrage.
its a strong threat

 

[MadMike]

Give us what we want or we stay and you have to put up with farrage.
its a strong threat

But what is it that we even want? Unicorns?

 

[Raulduke]

 

[Hammerfell]

Good.

 

[Sigma]

something I heard on brexitcast last night... might come into play if true...
Apparently shortening a long extension is pretty easy... but lengthening a short extension is going to be legally very difficult:

So basically 12th or 24th April is a date the Eu have in mind for when the UK must take legal steps to prepare for EU elections if they are to have them

If we dont hold them then at the time we come to try to extend we will have no MEP's and apparently therefore undetr EU rules not be able to extend... basically 30th June would instantly become deal or no deal hard deadline

therefore possible they may either only allow an extension till april saying the deal must be approved by then or the only further extension would be a long one... that said apparently some countries not keen to have uk involved in elections and having a bunch of Ukippers having a say over Eu plans so they are minded to prefer no deal over long extension.

I suspect there is a realistic chance that Mays plan for a 30th june extension may be the 4th option of the EU after (in no specific order) long extension, even shorter extension or no deal.

Does that make 29th March the soft deadline?

 

[sincher]

The gist of it seems to be "Give me an extension so I can get this deal, which was already rejected twice, through parliament. We'll stick in some yet to be named changes in order for it to pass.". Or am I reading it wrongly?

The tone of the letter is crap. Maybe she really wants them to say no. I think she might - she no doubt knows they either want an extension up to May or a longer extension. The letter seems to beg to get the big feck you response I think. It has no warmth, no mention of the importance of our future relationship, no apologies or thanks for their patience with us, no personality behind it... I could go on.

 

[Smores]

Hmm not sure if that's good or terrible for us. If it got rejected and parliament had the vote to accept a longer extension it would no doubt pass but will May even bring it for a vote?

Leavers like to grunt and say "it said leave not leave with a deal", if we follow that logic it didn't fecking say when did it

 

[sincher]

I think this either ends in No Deal or May gone and we revoke Article 50 and have another referendum.